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Halfemptyhalfling · 29/04/2024 12:17

It's a fox news source so likely to be a misquote

Given the lack of community and mental health issues of gen z in our atheist country, a benign caliphate might not be a bad thing.

However if it comes with oppression of women then it's terrible. Couples then have more children so they have a son which relates to more overpopulation.

Also Ramadan fasting is a problem further from equator with short nights. Christianity worked because it worked in climate appropriate festivals

zoom1982 · 29/04/2024 12:16

@Lemoncakeandcoffee Look,where I live is my business. I'm not going to tell you so you can run off and find a 'study' or opinion piece to trash the country that I love.

SuziQuinto · 29/04/2024 12:15

swimsong · 29/04/2024 12:13

ThE sKy Is FaLLiNg!

You may well mock. However, our freedoms have been fought for, and hard won. We need to be vigilant in their defence. Nothing wrong with that.

AdamRyan · 29/04/2024 12:14

Lemoncakeandcoffee · 29/04/2024 12:12

Everything should be examined critically with as much factual evidence as possible regardless of your standpoint.

OK.
It would be good to see posters on here putting as much effort into posting a researched view as they are into telling OP she's right to be "petrified" and posting various conspiracies to back it up.

StarsHideYourFir3s · 29/04/2024 12:14

Fox news, lol.

coffeeandcake91 · 29/04/2024 12:14

'Islam groups?' Tad bit Islamophobic isn't that.

If you get your news from Fox News, then you have other problems to sort out.

swimsong · 29/04/2024 12:13

Rocknrollstar · 29/04/2024 09:17

The caliphate will be introduced gradually. there is already a desire for sharia law in parts of this country. The Muslim population is large and growing. It’s really a Handmaid’s Tale scenario.

ThE sKy Is FaLLiNg!

AdamRyan · 29/04/2024 12:12

Puzzledandpissedoff · 29/04/2024 12:04

I find it extraordinary that people can call for a Jihad on the streets of London, or any liberal democratic city. They obviously hate our freedoms

Unfortunately they can't even get that right, @SuziQuinto
In its purist form "jihad" is an internal struggle; the very word means "striving", in this case to be a better muslim/person, but as with so much else it's been corrupted and used to spread yet more hate

Thanks puzzled. I was going to post the same but then couldn't find the right way to express it

Lemoncakeandcoffee · 29/04/2024 12:12

AdamRyan · 29/04/2024 12:08

The sort of claims being presented as "fact" on here are the opposite of being "critically examined".

Most of them are far right tropes that even a cursory Google will debunk. Just because you believe something, doesn't make it true.

Everything should be examined critically with as much factual evidence as possible regardless of your standpoint.

AdamRyan · 29/04/2024 12:11

WorriedMama12 · 29/04/2024 12:07

I think though, even if it isn't going to happen, the fact that there are large groups of people who hold such views and may very well go to any lengths to advocate for their cause, is scary.

1,100 people is not a "large group". In the UK we've had protests of hundreds of thousands of people against various things.

SuziQuinto · 29/04/2024 12:09

Puzzledandpissedoff · 29/04/2024 12:04

I find it extraordinary that people can call for a Jihad on the streets of London, or any liberal democratic city. They obviously hate our freedoms

Unfortunately they can't even get that right, @SuziQuinto
In its purist form "jihad" is an internal struggle; the very word means "striving", in this case to be a better muslim/person, but as with so much else it's been corrupted and used to spread yet more hate

Thank you. I didn't know that.
What a shame it's used in such a hostile way.
I do know that antisemitism has risen significantly, and that alone gives cause for concern.

AdamRyan · 29/04/2024 12:08

The sort of claims being presented as "fact" on here are the opposite of being "critically examined".

Most of them are far right tropes that even a cursory Google will debunk. Just because you believe something, doesn't make it true.

WorriedMama12 · 29/04/2024 12:07

BMW6 · 29/04/2024 03:42

YABU because it is not going to happen is it.

The sign might as well say "End All Wars"

I think though, even if it isn't going to happen, the fact that there are large groups of people who hold such views and may very well go to any lengths to advocate for their cause, is scary.

Lemoncakeandcoffee · 29/04/2024 12:05

zoom1982 · 29/04/2024 11:58

@Lemoncakeandcoffee Because that's my choice.

Allows you to
make claims without anyone being able to examine them critically, and you accuse me of having a narrative?

Puzzledandpissedoff · 29/04/2024 12:04

I find it extraordinary that people can call for a Jihad on the streets of London, or any liberal democratic city. They obviously hate our freedoms

Unfortunately they can't even get that right, @SuziQuinto
In its purist form "jihad" is an internal struggle; the very word means "striving", in this case to be a better muslim/person, but as with so much else it's been corrupted and used to spread yet more hate

LoveItaly · 29/04/2024 12:02

Lyla82 · 29/04/2024 07:44

@blimeyblimeyslimey 100% agree.

So do I, I am sad to say. I think a lot of people have their heads in the sand over this increasing threat.
Just look at Iran, Afghanistan and Lebanon for examples of countries that were once tolerant and nice places to live but have been taken over by an extreme element of the religion, and are now awful places for women in particular (in the case of Iran and Afghanistan especially). Why do you think that can’t happen here, especially when there seems to be a reluctance by the authorities to deal with issues such as the teacher from Batley?

swimsong · 29/04/2024 12:01

DrJoanAllenby · 29/04/2024 08:23

It's going to happen here in the U.K.

Churches are falling by the wayside, derelict and unused. There are over 1,500 Mosques in the U.K. and London has the greatest amount of Mosques outside Turkey!

Some sources say there are nearer 3,000 Mosques -

www.nearestmosque.com/uk

Mosques attended mostly by people who just want to do well, raise their families, tend their gardens and dote on their grandchildren. Big deal, so what.

VestibuleVirgin · 29/04/2024 12:00

Is that you, Laurence?

blimeyslimey · 29/04/2024 11:59

Lemoncakeandcoffee · 29/04/2024 11:39

Yet you don’t state which country this is, just in the Middle East? Then accuse people of having narratives because they reply to you on the basis of location you have given? Say which country it is then and then perhaps the awful persecution of minorities in the Middle East and relating studies that have been done on that persecution are not applicable to your particular location.

Sounds like Israel which is tolerant of different religions and has this written into its constitution.

RedMark · 29/04/2024 11:58

I live in Germany. It's not going to happen. As pp has already said, the rise of the afd is far more worrying

Puzzledandpissedoff · 29/04/2024 11:58

I truly believe a lot of young men are looking for excuses to be violent towards women and they are feeling hard done by ...

Exactly - so hating what they themselves have become they'll turn it outwards onto others and cast around for some justification, all too often a corrupted interpretation of what they claim to believe in

zoom1982 · 29/04/2024 11:58

@Lemoncakeandcoffee Because that's my choice.

SuziQuinto · 29/04/2024 11:57

Although Islamism is very right wing too, of course. Misogynistic, homophobic, antisemitic, against free speech.
I find it extraordinary that people can call for a Jihad on the streets of London, or any liberal democratic city. They obviously hate our freedoms.

wayfairer · 29/04/2024 11:49

I am more confused and concerned about Germanys stance on an actual genocide/holocaust taking place live on social media and their support for it than news reports telling me i should be worried about some a tiny minority wanting a caliphate! Like seriously Germany is a disgrace for supporting actual genocide yet again. Try speaking to actual Muslims they will tell you you can't just wave a wand and bring in a caliphate! There is not 1 country in the world today with a caliphate. There are kingdoms, kingship, nepotism, dictatorship and corruption!
So yes I do think you abu to be worried. Try turning the news off and getting out to a green space might help.

Lemoncakeandcoffee · 29/04/2024 11:49

zoom1982 · 29/04/2024 11:45

@Lemoncakeandcoffee I thought I made it clear that I was speaking for the country I live in only and not the whole of the ME,which as I'm sure you know is made up of many different countries.

Yes I do know that thank you. So as you are using your particular country as an example, why is the only location you seem prepared to share is that it’s in the Middle East?