Islam groups calling for caliphate in Germany, aibu to be petrified?

Fox News.

Need I say more?

Susan Hall's campaign HQ is spreading misinformation about the teachings of Islam?

Interesting!

But not even slightly shocking considering how she's been stoking the fires of hatred against Sadiq Khan for months.

Awful woman.

It is an authoritarian religion that is not known for being particularly progressive… Of course it’s right wing. Did you see the reaction of Muslims when primary school children were taught about sex and gender? Virtually all theocratic religion have more in common with the right wing than the progressive left. Seen any pride marches in Muslim areas lately?

@biscuitnut you might want to look up the difference between an arranged marriage and a forced one
They are two very different things

The right needs to stop falsely claiming that the Nazis were socialists - The Washington Post

"Instead of controlling the means of production or redistributing wealth to build a utopian society, the Nazis focused on safeguarding a social and racial hierarchy. They promised solidarity for members of the Volksgemeinschaft (“racial community”) even as they denied rights to those outside the charmed circle."

Actually i partially retract that @biscuitnut because I can see on reflection that the extreme of any conservative religion very easily lean hard right. But again, it's not the whole religion.

You're making yourself sound wildly unreasonable by stating things so baldly and oversimplifying.

You can say that about anyone from any religion or none.

Small groups calling for the establishment of a caliphate have existed in Germany for over 40 years, as they have in many other countries, including the UK. This is nothing new.

Over the years, there has generally been a move away from the extreme right and fascist ideologies that were common amongst the leaders of the earlier groups towards a sort of revolutionary Islamic socialism. The main group involved in organising the protests in Germany is essentially a shell successor promoting the ideology of a now-banned, openly anti-semitic group formed in the Middle East almost 70 years ago. They actually have tended not to get on or align themselves with the Islamic State / ISIS because they have ideological differences around what makes a caliphate legitimate. One of the reasons these groups have never achieved much traction is because they spend as much time fighting amongst themselves as they do actually working towards any of their wider goals.

The fact that Fox News has now 'discovered' them does not mean that they are a new phenomenon, that they are doing anything different to what they have always done or that they are anywhere nearer to achieving their goal of establishing a caliphate. In fact the whole "establishing a caliphate" thing was not the point of these protests. The specific group involved in the protests in Germany holds protests all the time - this one was actually quite poorly attended by their standards. They held a protest (against a far-right politician) just last year in Hamburg with more than three times as many attendees.

Anyway, at the end of the day, there are British Muslims calling for a caliphate too. That doesn't mean there are hordes agreeing with them or that they are going to get a caliphate (which in any case is just another way of saying they want to live under Sharia law, but that word might be slightly less shocking to us now than "caliphate"). It's just a subgroup.

Similarly, Bible Belt Christians continue to campaign for more theocratic laws. The only difference is that they're having more success and have overturned Roe V Wade. Have nightmares about that.

Or maybe Susan Hall's campaign HQ?

Yep. Khan will win again in London regardless. Tories are going to be hurting badly on Friday.

Sounds like she gets her (mis)information about Islam from the Tommy Robinson Press Office.

Headline: "Protesters in Germany call for Islamic fundamentalism: 'Caliphate is the solution"

In the body of the article: "One of the signs read "Kalifat ist die Lösung," which translates to, "Caliphate is the solution."

Fox news is extremely apt at dog whistles to get the far right all riled up. They usually succeed.

@biscuitnut can you offer any explanation for or support of your assertion that "Islam is a far right religion"? I can't tell if your being inflammatory on purpose or actually believe that?

No, no they don't.

Every Muslim I know is a staunch Labour supporter, most probably because Islam teaches empathy and charity.

I would agree with that. Trouble is we don’t know who are the majority - nice normal people and who are the loony’s.

There've been a few goady posts like this on here recently.

Yet more pre-election shit-stirring, perchance?

Islam is a far right religion. What scares you about far right ideology should also scare you about Islam. They share the same beliefs

Prescriptive and proscriptive.

The issue i see is that the conflict in Gaza creates anger on both sides. This anger leads to protests, the protests generate headlines. The headlines create further division within society especially amongst those that previously didn't care or didn't have a view ("you've got to pick a side").

Further division creates further polarisation and entrenched views which in turn creates more division and so on.

The effect of which is to create an angry divided society where the ability to listen to the other point of view is lost and peaceful compromise solutions become harder to reach.

No, elements of Islam are politicised and extreme. (Same as Christianity and most other religions.)

Which is no comfort if you find yourself staring down the barrel of a fatwa, but it's still an important distinction. The fact that it won't be a delegation of your local neighbours (mainstream Muslim accountants, doctors, businesswomen etc) who come to fulfil the fatwa is significant. It's not a technicality.

It is not the entire religion that is so prescribe and proscriptive.

Nope. I love my Muslim doctor, he is a terrific chap. I live in a very predominantly Muslim area. I know and I am friends with many Muslims that that doesn’t mean I think the religion is above criticism. I am catholic and I don’t get offended when people point out child abuse in the Catholic Church. Good it needs pointing out. Islam is a fascist black and white religion. Ask the gay guys who get chucked off buildings, oh you can’t they are all dead.

Not worried about the far right plotters? Just the Muslims?

I suggest you broaden your media.

@Springchickenonion 😂😂

@Parkingt111 i was about to write similar! 🤣