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To think most people don’t seem happy these days

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Babyitaintovertilitsover · 28/04/2024 21:37

Just genuinely happy, like lots used to be

I feel like most people I know are not truly happy, they can laugh or smile at times, but something just isn’t right…am I imagining this? I don’t remember it being like that pre covid

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Skethylita · 30/04/2024 05:32

Yes, people are generally more miserable, but I have noticed that way before Covid hit.

I think people's attachment to social media plays a huge part, as does UK culture in general.

Social media makes us compare our lives to the seemingly perfect world others live in, and to their seemingly perfect skills.
So we feel a need to scrub every inch of our houses lest they look lived in, we feel the need to look like a Barbie doll with tons of make-up and new clothes all the time, we feel the need to work more and more hours to afford more and more goods because social media deem them necessary.
We are constantly striving for unachievable things. While that hasn't changed, the amount with which we're bombarded with what is unachievable for the majority of people has.

UK culture is centred around money.
In my home country, it is perfectly acceptable (and indeed often preferred) to invite people over to your home for a cup of coffee or a meal and some chill time. Here, there is a need to frequent pubs and cafes, which inevitably cost more.
Days out in my home country are usually inexpensive things, like walks in the countryside, a bike tour, parks, beaches, the odd church or other historical building. Theme parks, zoos, aquariums, water parks, expensive museums or historical sites etc. are annual things, if at all. People in the UK feel the need to spend so much money all the time.
Simple skills like DIY beyond putting flatpack together and any hand-crafted items are sneered at. Even hobbies have to be grand; I know so few people who do things on a small scale for the fun of it. You see it on here all the time for things like World Book Day (my child was one of two children in their year group with a homemade costume, all others were bought). Mumsnetters so often state they wouldn't like homemade "crap".
People would rather pay professionals than accept that they can do things, but they might not be Insta-worthy. So people have less money, then begrudge having to work more to afford this.

Simpler lives are much happier lives.

And it appears that happiness in general is not fashionable. So many people feel the need to tear down those who are happy to make themselves feel better. People filming themselves ranting about one thing or another get millions of views and followers for being "edgy".

Nah. I dance to my own tune. I am happy.

INeedToClingToSomething · 29/04/2024 16:49

I agree. Things feel hard. For almost everyone. We are living through very difficult times. I think the reasons are multi faceted:

  • the after effects of covid
  • Work has become serious and humourless, everyone is having to do the jobs of 10 people regardless of what level they work at and all "fun" at work got taken away after the 2008 crash and never came back. Most people spend most of their life at work and if it's hard and serious and humourless, that has an effect.
  • social media/internet - partly responsible for the increase in MH issues in teens, leaves people feeling as if they are constantly being watched, and judged, and:or need to be (look) perfect. People don't need to go out any more, everything can be done from home (ditto home working which has massive benefits but also huge downsides) so propel are less socialised.
  • Less socialised population means we are seeing much more selfish and poor behaviour when people do venture out.
  • Over concern about safety (again probably a result of internet) meaning people restrict themselves more, worry more, and helicopter parent which we are starting to see the effects of now.
  • Cost of living crisis meaning everything feels a struggle even for middle income people. Lower income people can't afford the basics. Lack of money to afford the basics (and the debt that goes along with this) has a severely detrimental effect on people's mental health.
  • Healthcare issues leaving people unwell for long periods including lack of access to dentists, difficult accessing doctors appts and long NHS waiting lists.
  • Identity politics does none any favours
  • Increasing polarisation of people and many steps backwards in terms of breaking down "isms"
  • Brexit

Obviously all interconnected and sure I am missing a few.

We are living through very difficult and depressing times.

whatsbestforme · 29/04/2024 12:22

You have to try and help yourself by finding hobbies. Low cost hobbies.
Free hobbies.

I'm not feeling like you describe OP because I find ways to be content and look at the positive things instead,trained myself to do this...
we only spend what we have and haven't had a holiday abroad for 11 years. Find alternates to what you can't afford.
Vote wisely.

BeaRF75 · 29/04/2024 10:53

People have short memories. Levels of happiness are always variable, because everyone's lives are different. But there have been collective "bad times" before..... the 1940s - war, followed by rationing
Late 1970s - strikes, unrest, financial uncertainty
Late 1989s - sky high interest rates, making us all wonder how we could pay our mortgages
2008 - financial crash, followed by recession.
Those are just a few, off the top of my head.
It does also depend on life stages too - most of my friends are hapoy & content as their kids are grown up, mortgages paid, already/about to retire, had the maturity to realise that "the pandemic" was not a big deal.
Everyone just needs to reflect on themselves, not make comparisons with others.

LadyHavelockVetinari · 29/04/2024 10:51

I could be talking utter garbage but I wonder whether for me personally it's an age thing. I've just hit the age where responsibilities really kick in - jobs, mortgages, children, ageing parents, relationship troubles. And I think that those responsibilities really weigh me down and are a source of depression, for me and my friends too.

When we were in our 20s, the world felt open and everything felt temporary. You knew that the rent on the little flat wouldn't be all you could ever afford, that there would be future promotions and opportunities. If a man made me unhappy I broke up with him. If I stopped liking a city I moved. If I was bored I'd meet people and take up a hobby. But now in my 30s with a family, life is very different and contains little freedom or hope for change.

Hartley99 · 29/04/2024 10:42

I'm in my late 40s, and looking back I'd say yes, people are more miserable today.

But that doesn't mean everything is worse. This country is a much cleaner, smarter, better educated place than it was in the 1980s. If you watch old sitcoms, or news reports, it's striking how dirty and scruffy and run down Britain used to be.

  1. The loss of Identity. It isn't immigration that's the problem. Most of my favourite neighbours and colleagues aren't even British, they're Greek, Canadian, Thai and American. But immigration has occurred on such a massive scale that it has eroded national identity. Humans are tribal creatures. We need a sense of belonging. And that really is being destroyed. To make it worse, the liberal-left dominate the universities, the arts, the BBC, the publishing industry, etc, and in general they hate Englishness and Britishness. They're doing everything they can to make people ashamed of this country's past. Listen to Radio 4, for example. I tuned in recently to a programme on Jane Austen. Within five minutes they'd linked her to colonialism and slavery, and that was it, that was all they talked about for the rest of the show. A huge effort is underway to discredit and cancel as many of our national heroes as possible. Another small example. I was watching a discussion on Newsnight about the arts. They asked a famous Irish novelist to recommend a classic for young people to start with, and he said "well, I'm Irish, so I'd choose Joyce's Dubliners." It struck me, because I could never imagine an English-British novelist saying "well, I'm an Englishman, so I'd choose Dickens."

  2. Overcrowding. There are just too many people, full stop. And that means too many cars, too many houses and too much noise. It means lack of space. Any zookeeper knows that when you jam too many animals in a cage they attack one another. My local woods have been hacked down to make way for a new estate, and at the other end of the village a second giant housing estate is being built. The traffic is beyond words, and I'm often woken in the night by the screeching of souped-up car engines. Look at he statistics. In 1900 there were a billion humans. By 1960 that had trebled to three billion. It's now eight billion. In Africa, women still have five children, on average, and the African population is going to double. I think a lot of people have a sense of doom, a feeling that we're spiraling towards disaster. There is this vague sense that overpopulation and climate change are slowly combining and that together they'll bring civilization crashing down. I suspect that's the reason the birth rate is dropping.

Kinshipug · 29/04/2024 10:15

Delawear · 29/04/2024 10:10

It’s less to do with covid, lockdowns are now a distant memory, and more disappointment that fellow citizens voted for brexit and the conservative government that is causing a lot of this misery. Some people delight in the misfortune of such voters, who are now struggling, which isn’t good for community cohesion.

I think covid is a pretty vivid memory for most people actually.
I don't think it is the only thing of course.
As a mixed family, we've noticed a massive increase in racism recently which isn't fun either. This government and the media thrives on division.

the80sweregreat · 29/04/2024 10:13

I feel more stressed , but I try to count my blessings and realize it could be a lot worse.
The neverending bad news doesn't help , but I have tried to not watch the news as much and to realize there isn't much I can do about any of it. (Which is ' head in sand' I know , but it is a way of dealing with it.)
The cost of living is a worry , food shopping is a night mare and I'm not sure how many families cope these days.
I worry about my sons, but , again , I try to think positively. Isn't always easy to do though and I definitely have more anxiety symptoms than I ever did before. Might be age related though.

Delawear · 29/04/2024 10:10

Kinshipug · 29/04/2024 09:58

I agree OP. I think covid has wrecked what's left of any community we had in this country. People are more insular, less social, more unreliable. Human connection is so important, and I think we have underestimated the impact of outlawing it for so long.
Couple that with the state of the world - cost of living, housing crisis, climate change, wars - little wonder people are on edge. And tech means there's no escape!

It’s less to do with covid, lockdowns are now a distant memory, and more disappointment that fellow citizens voted for brexit and the conservative government that is causing a lot of this misery. Some people delight in the misfortune of such voters, who are now struggling, which isn’t good for community cohesion.

Kinshipug · 29/04/2024 09:58

I agree OP. I think covid has wrecked what's left of any community we had in this country. People are more insular, less social, more unreliable. Human connection is so important, and I think we have underestimated the impact of outlawing it for so long.
Couple that with the state of the world - cost of living, housing crisis, climate change, wars - little wonder people are on edge. And tech means there's no escape!

liioo · 29/04/2024 09:54

I am happy.

Something very good happened to me a few months ago, and I was surprised to realise it didn't actually change my happiness levels.

More recently, something truly awful happened to my family. While I am still processing it, still a bit shocked, it has not made me unhappy in myself.

I read a while ago that studies that a few years after a lottery win or a life-changing disability, people tend to be as happy (or not) as they ever were.

I have vast sympathy for people coping with things like SEN kids, and I see a lot of awful threads on here on that subject.

But also I sometimes feel frustrated that many people are so unhappy about modern life in general. We are the wealthiest, safest people to have ever lived.

Fluffywigg · 29/04/2024 09:28

ItsAStateOfMind · 29/04/2024 06:53

I think it takes effort to be happy, just like anything else that you want. It is not just presented to you. I think happy is also an internal thing. I've made lots of effort to manage my mental health and anxiety, and now that it is, I feel happier.

I've lived in other countries and I think the UK is a bit of a nightmare to live in TBH. It costs a fortune, there isn't anything to do that doesn't cost money, the taxes are high, bills are massive, mortgages/rent are high and we pay more for things than other countries do. Our lives are a cycle of get up early, commute, work long hours, commute back, repeat. People don't seem to have many hobbies, and they don't have family bonds like other cultures do. Our media is a negative loop and it all adds up to making people really miserable. Our people have no end of illnesses clogging up the NHS which are stress related.

I'm on a course at the moment about stress. I'm not necessarily in a bad place, but I'm always looking at ways to keep it down. It is a constant work in progress.

I feel happier as I get older as I give less of a shit, and I'm doing what I want to do, not what anyone else wants me to do. I try not to listen to the news, and get involved in bullshit. I have thought long and hard about who I love and care about and I just focus on them.

Hmmm I’m not sure I agree with your first paragraph. Some people are more fortunate than others, thus have an easier and more pleasant life because they have less stressors. Stands to reason they are going to be happier and more optimistic in general as life has treated them well so it’s all good.

As a parent of a child with SEN, I can’t be fully happy because of the stress I have worrying about how my DC will cope when they’re older in a world doesn’t meet their needs. Who will look after them and help them if I’m not here?

In my opinion there is nothing more important than your children and their well being, so anyone that has children that are able and not disabled in any way are lucky. Your health is your wealth and all. I would give anything to take away my child’s difficulties and if it were possible, I would be so happy

TheYearOfSmallThings · 29/04/2024 09:23

I don't think it has anything to do with COVID, but times are not great in terms of the economy, and of course we are all older than we were ten and twenty years ago, with more responsibilities, less freedom and options.

Firebird83 · 29/04/2024 09:16

Like a PP I also don’t feel joy like I used to. I try to do nice things that are supposed to be enjoyable but I just feel flat.

Delawear · 29/04/2024 09:16

Sorry that’s a general ‘you’ not directed at you @ssd

Delawear · 29/04/2024 09:15

ssd · 29/04/2024 08:58

The Conservative government have done a number on us all. They've worn us down and made us scared and frightened, so we accept what they say and what they have done.

I’m not scared or frightened, I’m furious. Hang your head in shame if you voted for this.

Chunkycookie · 29/04/2024 09:08

VillageGreenPS · 29/04/2024 07:53

This might have improved your life for you, but do you think your behaviour makes your friends, relatives and colleagues and others around you feel happier, good about themselves and more connected? Probably not.

And that's part of what's gone wrong in the world: too many people only out for themselves.

Also Brexit, Covid, cost of living, phones to some extent and people not bothering to connect with life in person - but mainly this shitty awful government and all the division they have caused.

I don’t fucking care. Okay, should I still be a walk over, keep quiet to keep other people happy? No thanks, had 40 odd years of that nonsense.

And that’s my point. I cared so much before that I took so much shit.

I’m not horrible. I’m not offensive to anyone. But if say, you were my colleague and you made some quip about my lunch being too big or whatever (which has happened to me), I wouldn’t just smile and take it anymore, I’d tell you to go away, or ask why you cared so much about my lunch.

I took horrible, racist remakes from my in laws for a decade. Sat in silence and cried later, for the sake of keeping the peace. Called them out on it “pil, when you make racist remarks about Indian people, please remember that I am part indian and so are your grandchildren, it’s incredibly hurtful”. Was that put in a way which made them feel bad? No, but now I am the devil. Should have just sat and smiled when they talked about how dirty Indians are, eh?

it’s not about being “out for myself”, I’m just not willing to take on anyone else’s shit.

midgetastic · 29/04/2024 09:07

malificent7 · 29/04/2024 07:55

Yanbu but we all voted for this shit show so we should not be surprised.

Who ?

The majority of people who voted did not vote conservative yet somehow they have a significant majority

We did not vote them in - the voting system helps them in and they won't change that to something more democratic

BrioNotBiro · 29/04/2024 09:07

There's certainly a lot of unhappy people on Mumsnet ready to make a complaint about a staff member in the NHS, supermarkets, schools, public transport, volunteers in clubs etc etc. Or to drop a friend or family member because of some small or even imagined slight.

ssd · 29/04/2024 08:58

The Conservative government have done a number on us all. They've worn us down and made us scared and frightened, so we accept what they say and what they have done.

SallyWD · 29/04/2024 08:46

I've noticed that me and all my friends are all a little weary and run down but I put it down to age. We're all of that perimenopause age, we all have kids that still need us, we all have aging parents with serious health problems.
I've also noticed a general decline in the state of the country which gets me down. The cost of living is another worry.

Startingagainandagain · 29/04/2024 08:43

'@malificent7
Yanbu but we all voted for this shit show so we should not be surprised.'

I didn't.

I have never voted and will never vote conservative. I was also against Brexit.

There are many more sensible people in this country who could see that a Johnson government and Brexit would bring disaster ...

Startingagainandagain · 29/04/2024 08:40

Covid, Cost of living crisis, Brexit, awful government, lots of bad weather this year, wages not rising to keep pace with inflation, stretched NHS services, unreliable trains...

The picture is not looking great at the moment for so many people and is causing stress and hopelessness.

dontcryformeargentina · 29/04/2024 08:35

Politicians destroyed our lives. Expect higher taxes to come, more uncertainty and instability. Nothing will improve until we get rid of the current political class.

Delawear · 29/04/2024 08:27

malificent7 · 29/04/2024 07:55

Yanbu but we all voted for this shit show so we should not be surprised.

Many of us didn’t vote for this, and we loathe all the people who did.

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