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"Migrants going to Ireland," states Rishi Sunak PM

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DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 28/04/2024 17:05

AIBU to believe this is fake news, hype at best??

Indeed, some may be going to "Ireland,! and may have been doing so
for the last two years anyway.s or so.

Therefore, what was the number of migrants/boat people that went to Ireland from Jan 1st and Dec 31st in 2022 and the year ending 2023??

As I've said many times, I don't trust any politician or political party for that matter as they are on the whole, in it for themselves.

Message to Rishi Sunak, PM - Please give us the numbers. (I bet you it is no different to what was happening previously)

https://news.sky.com/story/rishi-sunak-says-migrants-going-to-ireland-shows-rwanda-scheme-is-working-as-a-deterrent-13123815#:~:text=Migrants%20travelling%20to%20Ireland%20after,was%20%22exporting%20the%20problem%22.

Rishi Sunak says migrants going to Ireland shows Rwanda scheme is working as a deterrent

Ireland's deputy prime minister has said migrants who arrived in the UK on small boats are crossing from Northern Ireland to the Republic. Speaking to Sky's Trevor Phillips, Rishi Sunak says that it shows the deterrent is working.

https://news.sky.com/story/rishi-sunak-says-migrants-going-to-ireland-shows-rwanda-scheme-is-working-as-a-deterrent-13123815#:~:text=Migrants%20travelling%20to%20Ireland%20after,was%20%22exporting%20the%20problem%22.

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mollyfolk · 03/05/2024 23:06

CoalHouseDoor · 03/05/2024 08:18

I think the other elephant is the non-vetting issue.

When Blair started this, I remember a gay colleague moving back to his homeland because he was worried that many Eastern European migrants were homophobic, and he feared a change in our culture.

Then there was the issue of destroyed records, or sexual crimes being classified differently in other EE countries (eg rape = sexual misconduct).

Some of those fears, thirty years ago, were founded.

And now it’s an almost exclusively male immigrant profile, totally unvetted, propping up a system of people trafficking, from cultures that do not respect women.

Even one acid attack, rape or murder is too many. But we have seen them.

An Irish woman who said that made her afraid was called a racist.

Asylum seekers are not completely “un vetted” . They are fingered-printed and registered on arrival and searched for on international criminal databases. So they are more vetted than your average Joe Soap! This type of idea, that asylum seekers are all inherently dangerous, is rooted in racism.

Marblessolveeverything · 03/05/2024 22:31

"Ireland must return to the mainland UK."

@bombastix maybe your English is letting you down....

bombastix · 03/05/2024 20:35

Wow well done for totally missing the context of "return"

Marblessolveeverything · 03/05/2024 20:01

bombastix · 30/04/2024 09:52

The really key thing is the border. Ireland must return to the mainland UK. If it doesn't, it is completely stuffed as the border is soft.

Any asylum seeker can therefore just return over the border when they like.

The issue of returning to the UK lawfully will all be about the point of entry. And I would expect that an individual asylum seeker will not say where they came into Ireland.

The issue is that Ireland need to say, UK, we have lawful authority to return to the mainland of the UK. And you need a lot of cooperation for that to happen. The law has to work.

Eh no thanks mate 😂we don't want to join the UK . We are an independent nation. Heads up we are an island just like you the "mainland" is Europe.

W0rkerBee · 03/05/2024 18:57

Give me a break. We have taken so many legal immigrants and has been doing so for 30 years, you think we owe an easier life to any illegal/ assylum seeker??

W0rkerBee · 03/05/2024 18:52

Finlesswonder · 03/05/2024 07:32

"We are a small country".
Not this again. It gets wheeled out for anything from football results to racist immigration policies.

As a nation of emigrants, Ireland can and should take more immigrants.

It may bore you but it's true.

Goldenbear · 03/05/2024 17:13

Unicornpoopsykins · 03/05/2024 12:02

At the end of the day ireland should be kind. If the UK is no longer a safe place for them to go, they need to be cared for

Yes, Ireland could take the moral higher ground and be kind.

Unicornpoopsykins · 03/05/2024 12:02

At the end of the day ireland should be kind. If the UK is no longer a safe place for them to go, they need to be cared for

EasternStandard · 03/05/2024 09:58

Replaced? I guess we’ll see

Whoever it is will like that press. GE could resolve it whenever that is then we likely keep the extra people

Evanna13 · 03/05/2024 09:56

Sunak won't be there for long, if today's election results are anything to go by!

EasternStandard · 03/05/2024 09:54

Evanna13 · 03/05/2024 09:50

If UK policy is causing a problem here the govt will be more than happy to highlight it. They love to have someone to blame!

True : )

maybe they’ll drop the returns part and just do the blaming

Sunak will be happy to have the press on how much it’s diverting people though

Evanna13 · 03/05/2024 09:50

EasternStandard · 03/05/2024 09:47

Yes you’ll still see immigration at the forefront, I think we all will, but the 80% plus returns line might disappear if it’s not resolvable

If UK policy is causing a problem here the govt will be more than happy to highlight it. They love to have someone to blame!

EasternStandard · 03/05/2024 09:47

Evanna13 · 03/05/2024 09:33

The issue of immigration is very much still forefront in the press here as I said previously.

They are working on faster processing. This is easier for asylum seekers from some countries more than others.

We have to remember that these are people at the end of the day, they have had to flee their homes and many are separated from their families. Looking at the photos is heartbreaking.

Yes you’ll still see immigration at the forefront, I think we all will, but the 80% plus returns line might disappear if it’s not resolvable

Evanna13 · 03/05/2024 09:33

EasternStandard · 03/05/2024 09:24

That is true it is but I mean the issue which prompted the headlines and claims that 80% were crossing from NI, which came from Ireland as a press release I assume

If the only option is direct returns as in pp then they may just quietly stop highlighting an unresolvable issue

The issue of immigration is very much still forefront in the press here as I said previously.

They are working on faster processing. This is easier for asylum seekers from some countries more than others.

We have to remember that these are people at the end of the day, they have had to flee their homes and many are separated from their families. Looking at the photos is heartbreaking.

EasternStandard · 03/05/2024 09:24

Evanna13 · 03/05/2024 09:19

The issue of immigrants is in the press here still and has been the case long before this blew up.
Sadly many did not have accommadion last night and had to sleep in tents.

It's a huge issue for all of Europe right now.

That is true it is but I mean the issue which prompted the headlines and claims that 80% were crossing from NI, which came from Ireland as a press release I assume

If the only option is direct returns as in pp then they may just quietly stop highlighting an unresolvable issue

Evanna13 · 03/05/2024 09:19

EasternStandard · 03/05/2024 09:11

But you are talking about it in Ireland, it’s not really in the press much now here

You still feel you have the problem?

The issue of immigrants is in the press here still and has been the case long before this blew up.
Sadly many did not have accommadion last night and had to sleep in tents.

It's a huge issue for all of Europe right now.

EasternStandard · 03/05/2024 09:11

Evanna13 · 03/05/2024 09:10

People are doing it now.
Rishi is talking about Ireland because it suits his narrative.
The other absoutley does not.

But you are talking about it in Ireland, it’s not really in the press much now here

You still feel you have the problem?

Evanna13 · 03/05/2024 09:10

EasternStandard · 03/05/2024 09:02

People could do that now but instead they are choosing Ireland, I’m wondering why that would change once it’s happening

The other thing is traffickers have better marketing and financing than almost anyone, if they see a profitable selling opportunity they’ll use it. And once you get networks selling a route it’s pretty much impossible to stop

Unless you go full Aus / Albania returns

People are doing it now.
Rishi is talking about Ireland because it suits his narrative.
The other absoutley does not.

EasternStandard · 03/05/2024 09:02

Evanna13 · 03/05/2024 08:40

It's not going to happen on a large scale, it's just a threat.
Ireland might see a small increase but most will remain in the UK disappearing into the system, never processed.

People could do that now but instead they are choosing Ireland, I’m wondering why that would change once it’s happening

The other thing is traffickers have better marketing and financing than almost anyone, if they see a profitable selling opportunity they’ll use it. And once you get networks selling a route it’s pretty much impossible to stop

Unless you go full Aus / Albania returns

bombastix · 03/05/2024 08:54

I would get a bit real however on those cooperation timescales. Labour in power will be different from Labour in opposition, and probably this issue is not first on the list of things they want to do.

I would however expect them to a lot less publicly rude!

Evanna13 · 03/05/2024 08:49

bombastix · 03/05/2024 08:41

@Evanna13 - yes the timescale is the next government now. It is very clear that there will not be any cooperation in the next six months or as long this UK government is in place. In fact they will just become more delighted by the reaction in Ireland which is a rare treat.

They are very right wing and they are likely to lose and very badly, but this particular hot button is going to be pressed every time Ireland talks about the UK in terms as if it were still as it was in the EU. For a Brexiteer it is a rare gift to see this discomfort in Ireland after their perception that Ireland weaponized the border. That is what is thought now.

Yes the UK far right are delighted and will present it to suit their own narrative. There will be some who believe it.

But I think you are right and they will lose massively in the next GE.

bombastix · 03/05/2024 08:41

@Evanna13 - yes the timescale is the next government now. It is very clear that there will not be any cooperation in the next six months or as long this UK government is in place. In fact they will just become more delighted by the reaction in Ireland which is a rare treat.

They are very right wing and they are likely to lose and very badly, but this particular hot button is going to be pressed every time Ireland talks about the UK in terms as if it were still as it was in the EU. For a Brexiteer it is a rare gift to see this discomfort in Ireland after their perception that Ireland weaponized the border. That is what is thought now.

Evanna13 · 03/05/2024 08:40

EasternStandard · 03/05/2024 08:36

But you’re already seeing the result of the threat now with extra people

Why Will that change once it actually starts?

It's not going to happen on a large scale, it's just a threat.
Ireland might see a small increase but most will remain in the UK disappearing into the system, never processed.

EasternStandard · 03/05/2024 08:36

Evanna13 · 03/05/2024 08:35

It's a storm in a teacup.
The threat is most likely to mean that asylum seekers will remain in the UK but not engage with authorities, not attend their meetings etc. Not ideal really.

But you’re already seeing the result of the threat now with extra people

Why Will that change once it actually starts?

Evanna13 · 03/05/2024 08:35

EasternStandard · 03/05/2024 08:20

But it’s small scale threat only now and it’s re routing people to Ireland

It's a storm in a teacup.
The threat is most likely to mean that asylum seekers will remain in the UK but not engage with authorities, not attend their meetings etc. Not ideal really.