"Migrants going to Ireland," states Rishi Sunak PM

And did you care about importing the third world when it was people going to Greece, Italy, France, UK?

Where has that collaborative european community spirit gone or was that only viable for you while ireland was receiving money to build its roads?

How can you talk of begrudging free health care when so many of your people have profited off the NHS?

But the British have been having to deal with France's mess for years. Ireland didn't give a damn about that. But now suddenly it's Ireland's problem and they're blaming the UK, when actually the fault is way before that!

Of course the UK government need to deal with the EU commission not just Ireland on this. It's a continent wide problem and it needs a continent wide solution.

I think this is a separate issue to the issue of asylum seekers getting medical cards basically. Yes I agree the healthcare system needs an overhaul. But also Asylum seekers cannot afford basic health care and I don’t begrudge them their medical cards.
The income limit for a GP card is 373€ a week and I believe this should apply to everyone.

it’s not free to get emergency care, I don’t think: I have been charged 100€ because I don’t have a medical card.

on the one hand I’m supposed to be scared of all these young men and on the other I’m supposed to be worried that will cost us in GP visits. Doesn’t really add up for starters.

@mollyfolk A heart attack in the street is an emergency situation, and they are covered by the Irish healthcare system. Most families have to fork out for the other routine type of healthcare. Expensive GP visits for adults and children. The income caps for a medical card is quite low. I’d say there are lots of people who have to pay when they can’t really afford the costs, but they have to. Or try to weigh up if their child will get better with a few days in bed, or if it will turn serious.

I’m located in Ireland and I completely understand the healthcare system. I would love a completely free healthcare system and I don’t begrudge a cent of my tax being spent on people who can’t afford healthcare.

Under 8’s have free GP care. I would love a completely free GP system for everyone but yes, this is not the case. Healthcare is more than the GP . However I wouldn’t begrudge healthcare for anyone that can’t afford it. Asylum seekers living in the direct provision system get around €40 a week - they can’t afford a GP visit.
Even if you are “lucky” to get the increased payment because you live in a tent , it would be a stretch to pay.

If someone had a heart attack in the street do you think they should be refused treatment? What about cancer treatment? Or a regular prescription that keeps someone well?

Now you can fork out extra for private medical insurance (as very many do). It may afford some more affordable payment schemes.

Are you located in the UK, Molly. Universal free health care at point of use (non emergency situations) in not the Irish healthcare model. Unless you are one of the few with a medical card, or gp visit card (I think that does children up to 8, and am not sure it covers everything) you have to pay for routine medical care in Ireland. Every single visit. GP prices can vary, at least equivalent to 50 pounds each visit. Even children over 8 have to be paid for too.

Do you think more governments should be like the Taliban ? They actively prevent people leaving. Some do manage to leave and even fewer make their way to Europe. With few legal routes on offer, people are forced to make illegal journeys and then they claim asylum - that is legal. illegal immigration is a different thing.

Iran and Turkey have the most refugees per capita - not the developed world.

I’m a bit confused about not begrudging free healthcare to people in Ireland. Only those few with a medical card, or the GP visit care are afforded that. Otherwise you even have to pay for children to visit a GP in Ireland. I have always had to pay, and for my offspring as well. Although money goes to the health service via tax, many have to take out private insurance as well if they don’t have a medical card.

It is certainly not the same as the British NHS? I never got used not having to put my hand in my pocket when I, or offspring, visited the GP.

When the Irish government are talking about Uk asylum seekers coming here they are talking about people who have already a live asylum claim in the UK or have a failed claim.

i mean you could be right but it would possible to send people back if there was real coordination with the UK. It would be completely impossible to send people back if they had no trace of being in the UK.

But I won't hold my breath

Their own country should be saying "they are human beings afterall" but no, they let them go to Europe. No need to look after your own citizens when Europe is importing the third world. I went to the doctor last week and it was 65 euro. I pay taxes and men who arrive illegally can go to the doc for free.

If we keep making it attractive for the to come, they will keep coming.
We need for them to send the message back home "no, no free money here"

I couldn’t begrudge anyone healthcare and I hope we never get to the point of doing that. They are human beings at the end of the day.

Even if people are here illegally (and illegal immigrates and asylum seekers are two different things) everyone deserves healthcare.

The “third world” is not on the way here. Until we took in Ukrainian refugees, because of our location we had one of the lowest numbers of refugees in Europe.

Their families could not come here easily until their claim is assessed and they receive refugee status.

I’m sure at the end of the day, we can all agree that people need a legal route to flee war and persecution. All human life is important and wanting to make arrivals suffer so that more don’t come is immoral.

It is frightening on many levels to see these worries driven underground.

I think this is a serious concern.
Brexit happened, and one of the reasons it did was that there was a vast number of people who felt disenfranchised, impoverished and deprived of jobs in their communities. Many of the arguments put forward by Remainers seemed irrelevant to them. So they voted. Out.The fact it all turned to shit and they’d been lied to didn’t change the fact that their concerns had been mocked and dismissed.
Do you want people to feel the same way about immigration and their concerns? To decide that acting outwith the law is justified, because the law doesn’t protect them, or take their fears seriously? So they might as well act first to deal with what they perceive as a threat?
That win’t end well for anyone. Or society as a whole.

They and their families (who are no doubt on their way) get free gp appointments and free hospital care.
We are so weak and so stupid.

It's not going to dissuade them from coming so yes it is too much. We are importing the third world.

I wonder if traffickers are marketing Ireland route via the U.K. capitalising on concerns over deportation

If that’s their new sales tactic then imo it would be effective

Aw yes I see - it’s newer payment. I don’t know if it’s overly generous to receive 113 a week if you are living in a tent. It’s not enough to pay for somewhere to live - it’s enough to feed yourself and pay to wash your clothes and buy toiletries ect. They are hardly living the life of Riley in tents.

What would you prefer?

The ones in tents are getting 113.80

Are you talking about Ireland?

They get €38.80 a week. food vouchers if they aren’t in the direct provision system.

We have to stop them from coming in the first place. We give these people 113.80 a week for being here illegally. Somebody who's worked for a few years and has every right to be here only gets 233 if they lose their job. Madness.

This summarizes it neatly. Ignore who is in power, Labour or Conservative does not matter. It's the existence of the Rwanda law that matters. Labour may not use it, but its existence will still mean Ireland cannot make a lawful return.

www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2024/05/08/michael-mcdowell-irelands-capacity-to-control-migration-in-a-policy-driven-sustainable-way-is-broken/

This one does. But as I say it’s up to Ireland to look at numbers, direction of travel and timing

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/rwanda-bill-causing-migrants-to-opt-for-ireland-deputy-pm-says-13123078

Interesting that the Irish Times article linked to makes no mention at all of the UK's Rwanda plan. Correlation doesn't equal causation.