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"Migrants going to Ireland," states Rishi Sunak PM

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DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 28/04/2024 17:05

AIBU to believe this is fake news, hype at best??

Indeed, some may be going to "Ireland,! and may have been doing so
for the last two years anyway.s or so.

Therefore, what was the number of migrants/boat people that went to Ireland from Jan 1st and Dec 31st in 2022 and the year ending 2023??

As I've said many times, I don't trust any politician or political party for that matter as they are on the whole, in it for themselves.

Message to Rishi Sunak, PM - Please give us the numbers. (I bet you it is no different to what was happening previously)

https://news.sky.com/story/rishi-sunak-says-migrants-going-to-ireland-shows-rwanda-scheme-is-working-as-a-deterrent-13123815#:~:text=Migrants%20travelling%20to%20Ireland%20after,was%20%22exporting%20the%20problem%22.

Rishi Sunak says migrants going to Ireland shows Rwanda scheme is working as a deterrent

Ireland's deputy prime minister has said migrants who arrived in the UK on small boats are crossing from Northern Ireland to the Republic. Speaking to Sky's Trevor Phillips, Rishi Sunak says that it shows the deterrent is working.

https://news.sky.com/story/rishi-sunak-says-migrants-going-to-ireland-shows-rwanda-scheme-is-working-as-a-deterrent-13123815#:~:text=Migrants%20travelling%20to%20Ireland%20after,was%20%22exporting%20the%20problem%22.

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Evanna13 · 29/04/2024 20:18

Ireland are taking plenty of asylum seekers and refugees already. They do not have capacity to take further huge numbers escaping from the UK too.
The UK government have thrown Ireland under the bus with Brexit. It has had huge negative implications for the Irish economy. And now they are happy to send all their asylum seekers to Ireland.
It is a shame because UK /Ireland relations had improved significantly before Brexit but since then the UK government has acted absolutely atrociously.

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 29/04/2024 19:59

W0rkerBee · 29/04/2024 09:36

An infrastructure designed for 3m people

Ypuo are kidding??? 5 million people and facilities for 3miilion - where is the money going????

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EasternStandard · 29/04/2024 10:13

frankentall · 29/04/2024 10:09

France didn't take them when we were in the EU

Yep. This myth perseveres

There’s no great return policy that EU countries have ever used to anything more than an insignificant number

The EU still tell each other no with Dublin III in place

frankentall · 29/04/2024 10:09

Solgrass · 28/04/2024 17:24

France won’t take them back because we are no longer part of the EU.

Ireland is, so arrangements can be made with the EU regarding where to place people.

France didn't take them when we were in the EU

bombastix · 29/04/2024 10:00

Tbh the handling of this is classic Morton's fork. Ireland will have ri decide whether the disrupt the WF for immigration purposes.

If Ireland want a porous border (they do) then migration will also be an issue. A lot of Brexiteers wanted a hard border and total control over goods checks away from the border. Even then because the border is so informal these checks would be near useless from a migration point of view.

Fulshaw · 29/04/2024 09:52

bombastix · 29/04/2024 09:09

One of the effects of this is that for Ireland, they will be given a choice as to how tough they are about policing the border between ROI/NI. The UK will keep it open. A lot of Brexiteer people wanted a hard border. ROI may give them it by the back door depending on how this is handled.

This is my worry, that it will bring back all the hard/soft border arguments that Brexit caused. Such a difficult issue to resolve satisfactorily.

W0rkerBee · 29/04/2024 09:36

User8646382 · 29/04/2024 00:02

Exactly. And it’s not like they don’t have room. They have a population of about 5 million, compared to our 70 million. What’s the problem exactly?

An infrastructure designed for 3m people

bombastix · 29/04/2024 09:09

One of the effects of this is that for Ireland, they will be given a choice as to how tough they are about policing the border between ROI/NI. The UK will keep it open. A lot of Brexiteer people wanted a hard border. ROI may give them it by the back door depending on how this is handled.

Goldenbear · 29/04/2024 09:05

EasternStandard · 29/04/2024 09:03

I read that as sarcasm maybe

On another note the ‘loophole’ part of the statement is also odd. Countries with tougher policy will have fewer people than those with more lax policy.

As for the EU policy it looks like June elections will shift to the right due to this issue

Oh, I didn’t pick up on that.

EasternStandard · 29/04/2024 09:03

Goldenbear · 29/04/2024 08:51

Does Ireland not have a racism problem then?

I read that as sarcasm maybe

On another note the ‘loophole’ part of the statement is also odd. Countries with tougher policy will have fewer people than those with more lax policy.

As for the EU policy it looks like June elections will shift to the right due to this issue

Goldenbear · 29/04/2024 08:51

Finlesswonder · 29/04/2024 08:37

It's because the UK is racist, while monocultural tax haven Ireland is just doing what needs to be done.

Does Ireland not have a racism problem then?

Noicant · 29/04/2024 08:50

Well looks like the EU is quite keen on sending people to a third country, the Europeans Peoples Party leader has expressed support for the idea so Ireland can probably avail itself of that soon enough 🙄.

The thing is the EU doesn’t have a return agreement with the UK, they refused one so it may be difficult legally for Ireland to send them back to the UK as the migrants are now on EU soil.

It’s such an utter mess.

Finlesswonder · 29/04/2024 08:37

SeanBeansMealDeal · 28/04/2024 22:30

I don't have strong views either way, but I feel I must really be missing something here.

So when migrants go to France or Italy - safe, wealthy, prosperous countries; but then prefer to continue on and make their way to the UK - also a safe, wealthy, prosperous country, the UK is disgraceful for not wanting them - and the UK is at fault.

But when migrants come to the UK, but then prefer to continue on and make their way to the RoI - also a safe, wealthy, prosperous country, the UK is still disgraceful, because Ireland also don't want them - and the UK is still at fault?

It's because the UK is racist, while monocultural tax haven Ireland is just doing what needs to be done.

bombastix · 29/04/2024 08:23

The emergency law will not work. Ireland will need an agreement with the UK as a third country and it is very unlikely to get one.

The key thing is that NI/ROI border is soft. Even if Ireland try to return migrants reentry will be swift.

I imagine what will happen is that quietly Ireland will uptick the number of refusals and returns but to France. The cycle will repeat again

EasternStandard · 29/04/2024 08:16

I’m not sure about the emergency law. Why can they but other EU countries not do the same?

Fulshaw · 29/04/2024 08:12

Every country will have to deal with asylum seekers as they see fit.

The UK has chosen the Rwanda policy.

Ireland, France and any other country will have to make their own decision over what to do.

User8646382 · 29/04/2024 00:02

Finlesswonder · 28/04/2024 22:21

Ireland is a wealthy, welcoming country we have been told for decades now. This is a nice chance for them to live up to their reputation

Exactly. And it’s not like they don’t have room. They have a population of about 5 million, compared to our 70 million. What’s the problem exactly?

IvorTheEngineDriver · 28/04/2024 23:46

Rishi says many things. Doesn't mean I have to listen to them.

jcyclops · 28/04/2024 23:16

Report from the Irish Times of 22/04:
A total of 6,069 people sought asylum between January 1st and April 12th, an increase of almost 80 per cent on numbers from the comparable period for 2023. A third of all applicants, 2,053, are citizens of one country, Nigeria.

It was this report that led to the hand wringing of Irish politicians all last week, to which Sunak responded this weekend.

Full report:
https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2024/04/22/migration-system-may-be-tightened-over-spike-in-international-protection-applicants/

Migration system may be tightened over spike in international protection applicants

More than 6,000 sought asylum in Ireland so far in 2024, a rise of almost 80% on last year’s figure

https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2024/04/22/migration-system-may-be-tightened-over-spike-in-international-protection-applicants

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 28/04/2024 22:53

Marjoriefrobisher · 28/04/2024 22:37

Indeed. They are so progressive now compared to the backward UK (the decades of virtual theocracy having been conveniently erased) - surely they must be delighted with the opportunity to demonstrate this.

Hear, hear as I too hear almost on every tv advert for Ireland that they are a loving and welcoming country. Therefore, why is their stupid government making threats to send back people some of whom have travelled thousands of miles from their motherlands to be I a loving, caring, welcoming safe country?

To the people of Ireland, stand up and be counted and tell your stupid government that you are welcoming boat people with open arms. However, please ignore the youtube videos that are not as welcoming

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Marjoriefrobisher · 28/04/2024 22:37

Finlesswonder · 28/04/2024 22:21

Ireland is a wealthy, welcoming country we have been told for decades now. This is a nice chance for them to live up to their reputation

Indeed. They are so progressive now compared to the backward UK (the decades of virtual theocracy having been conveniently erased) - surely they must be delighted with the opportunity to demonstrate this.

SeanBeansMealDeal · 28/04/2024 22:30

I don't have strong views either way, but I feel I must really be missing something here.

So when migrants go to France or Italy - safe, wealthy, prosperous countries; but then prefer to continue on and make their way to the UK - also a safe, wealthy, prosperous country, the UK is disgraceful for not wanting them - and the UK is at fault.

But when migrants come to the UK, but then prefer to continue on and make their way to the RoI - also a safe, wealthy, prosperous country, the UK is still disgraceful, because Ireland also don't want them - and the UK is still at fault?

Marjoriefrobisher · 28/04/2024 22:29

DanielGault · 28/04/2024 17:50

I adore the fact that OP has just been looking up Ireland's demographics and deigns to 'inform' us all of her exciting findings. Like Ireland is some some sort of mythical, parallel universe. She must live under a fucking rock. Our Taoiseach is a gay man of Indian descent for example. We are a nation of people who emigrated and we have had a lot of immigrants in the last 20 years. Not without it's problems but on the whole has been a huge benefit for the country.

This is very funny. Living under a fucking rock indeed.

Finlesswonder · 28/04/2024 22:21

Ireland is a wealthy, welcoming country we have been told for decades now. This is a nice chance for them to live up to their reputation

DanielGault · 28/04/2024 21:58

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 28/04/2024 21:54

Who told you "they can't get into the UK"?? Do you not have Google and watch BBC/Sky/IT news etc??? We are seeing boat loads every day when the weathers calm

I sincerely hope you're not in charge of the welcoming committee for the poor souls who are risking their lives in boats to get into your country. I'd also love to know your familial background and whether any of your family have ever needed to emigrate.