"Migrants going to Ireland," states Rishi Sunak PM

Ireland can’t just return to mainland U.K. in the same way England can’t return to France. If U.K. authorities don’t accept the person ( and why would they) they cannot be returned to the U.K. system.
and there seems to be some doubt as to whether the 80% figure is even correct. I doubt it myself

Any border policy re routes people, that’s going to happen the more countries put them in

Then you get the knock on effect of no one wanting to be the laxer place people choose first

The UK are not going to cooperate with this under the current government.
Unfortunately they are more than happy to let Ireland take the fall for their xenophobic policies.

I hadn’t looked at the OP’s name until I read your comment and knew exactly who it would be. I think I may be spending too much time here too 😅.

The really key thing is the border. Ireland must return to the mainland UK. If it doesn't, it is completely stuffed as the border is soft.

Any asylum seeker can therefore just return over the border when they like.

The issue of returning to the UK lawfully will all be about the point of entry. And I would expect that an individual asylum seeker will not say where they came into Ireland.

The issue is that Ireland need to say, UK, we have lawful authority to return to the mainland of the UK. And you need a lot of cooperation for that to happen. The law has to work.

I know, I am not confident that the emergency legislation will succeed. But Ireland has to try.

You’ll need it though for the emergency legislation, which is why it’s looking unlikely

Exactly!!!

Yes what does that tell you! It's called we aren't going to cooperate

The meeting was cancelled by the UK side.

I really am very looking forward to seeing the outcome of this. I don't think I have been invested in the news so much in years. Sadly I have to work now but will be back to this thread asap.

No. But I don't think the CTA as restated in 2019 as a MOU covers it. UK can say no. I think the politics of it will mean no for a while.

@Evanna13 has said it there. Even looking at Sunak and he honestly believes Ireland will do as we are told but for the first time ever I like Simon Harris recent interview and he pretty much laughed and said Britain can fuck off. Obv he didnt say those words but he basically snubbed it and grinned while doing so.

And please note when I am posting I am saying the UK government. I know many British people are not happy about a lot of aspects of UK history and current policy.

The issue is enforcement. I'd say that if an individual asylum seeker decides to claim in Ireland, Ireland needs the cooperation of the UK to accept a return. If it doesn't have it, the legislation will be academic. A lot of that article does not specify the change needed, but suggests that the UK and Ireland will work together. That does not smell right to me given the meeting to resolve this yesterday was cancelled between the UK and Irish minsters responsible.

As far as I am aware there is already an arrangement between Ireland and the UK to return people in the CTA, that's been in place since 2011.

Absolutely no less deserving.
And Ireland are more than happy to take their fair share of asylum seekers. The problem is the UK are not willing to do so and letting it fall back on Ireland to deal with.
The mistreatment of Ireland by the UK govt goes back throughout history.

Of course there’s a whole league of countries battling with migration issues. It’s not unnoticeable, some don’t notice but it’s obvious to me.

The problem is people can claim where they want and countries are struggling with the implications of the 1951 convention

I really dislike the demonising of young male asylum seekers anyway and I think Ireland should be trying to steer the conversation away from that. I think there is something really dehumanising about the whole 'men in dingys' narrative coming out of the UK.

We have an accommodation centre in our small town that does seem to house a number of young males and tbh they seem grand and polite. Quicker times to process applications, get them working and earning money and I'm sure it'll be grand. It must be shit to be stuck in those centres, no young man wants that, let them make a good life for themselves and we will all reap the benefits.

Eh?

Asylum legislation will close loopholes, says McEntee (rte.ie)

I think you need to look at news that is outside of britains.

Yes but the practical problem has to be managed. Ireland will probably have to accelerate decision making on these claims and then consider direct returns. If it returns to the UK, even if that sticks, Ireland will tacitly accepting that these claimants will be sent to Rwanda.

Re not giving in that’s fine but international law is not working in your favour

You’ll need other ways to stop the extra migration

I dont think this is even about asylum seekers anymore. I think this is now a powerplay and Ireland are just not going to give in.