"Migrants going to Ireland," states Rishi Sunak PM

So you believe in mob policing?

The attacker that stabbed children? And was a threat to others?
The race riots were a disgrace and widely condemned

But not sure what any of this has to do with this thread just good old Irish bashing

Yes, I did watch how your people surrounded that attacker a few months ago, and tried to kick his head in.
I saw the racist riots.

Yes there are ignorant people everywhere but most citizens understand their own borders and jurisdiction

Now the EUs "enfant terrible" has left the table, Ireland will be judged on its own merits
Ireland are well able to be judged on their own merits. Don't underestimate us

The UK always was Irelands bigger, louder, convenient fig leaf.

Now the EUs "enfant terrible" has left the table, Ireland will be judged on its own merits

The major difference is that in Ireland this history is taught so it is a significant factor. Ignorant people are everywhere, even in Ireland! Parochial attitudes exist in every country and they are tested with the politics of immigration; to suggest that it isn’t in part about that is not going to solve the issues that Ireland have, along with many other European countries.

Can you tell me where I have belittled the average Brit? I have gone out of my way not to do so. You can read all my posts on this thread to see that.

I know the average brit knows nothing about Ireland. I studied A level history myself!

Ignorance is no excuse and actually most of the ignorant comments I have received from English people about Ireland such as believing we are still part of Britain were from the older generation.

Have you read any of my replies? That incident did not happen in the way it was described by certain parts of the British media.

I have no idea what you are saying in the rest. Do you want Irish people to read British right wing press so we can believe misinformation too?

The Uk is a very unequal society now, it is definitely not a ‘sad state’ for some.

Belittling the average Brit is not really a cooperative approach. The average Brit doesn’t know much about Irish and British relations for a couple of reasons that they are under 30 and the impact was not something they witnessed.The second and main reason is education, it is simply not taught in History lessons- I am surprised that my DS who is studying History A level is not covering Ireland as I did in the mid 90s. My married surname is Irish but my DH whose Grandma was born in Ireland knows less than me.

You are still talking about that ridiculous comment!
I think you need to read your own post and educate yourself!

Sometimes I think when people say (and this applies to many scenarios) that someone is "not working with them" what they mean is they haven't agreed with me and given in to my demands.

But the UK has responded - by saying it will work with an EU wide agreement.

I also think that if you want to come to an agreement you have to understand the other perspective - so yes that means reading right wing press - as then you can see what those people think.

Too much media is just echo chambers so when confronted with an opposing opinion and a completely opposite pov people don't know what to say as they have not heard the argument before and no counter argument.
we're all guilty of this

Rule number 1 - Don't make silly comments for political posturing purposes.
Don't threaten to close Irish skies when you have no clue how to do that or if it's even possible and when the country whose planes you are threatening to exclude are actually the country that protect your own skies.
What did Varadkar think would happen? RAF jets would scramble to escort a BA flight to New York from Heathrow Airport out of Irish Air space?
Who did he think would authorise that? It was v silly thing to say (and yet at same time very serious) during Brexit negotiations and he was the man in charge and it played badly in UK press.

people remember this stuff unfortunately

The CTA doesn’t cover it, I’m not sure what they’re referring to. They may need to be specific

Your post does not make any sense. First you say it doesn't want to engage with the EU , then you say it wants to talk to the EU!

Yes the UK has made their decisions, to their own detriment, unfortunately for them. It gives me no pleasure to see the UK in its current sad state. I would love to see both the UK and Ireland thriving.

But nobody said we would close Irish airspace. So it’s a very very silly one: because it’s misinformation. There is a grain of truth in it but it has been twisted and pulled out of context in order to influence people’s opinions.

It’s obviously in our interest to have a good relationship with the UK.

Do you honestly think ireland shouldn’t reference the CTA agreement when speaking about this issue: it is apparently an extension of this agreement that covers this issue.

But the UK has made that decision hasn't it? It doesn't want to engage with EU or Ireland. In fact it's giving a clear message. It wants to speak to the EU, not Ireland. Because it recognizes who really plays the tune!

Are we I’m not sure, but yes you’re likely right about snowball chance

I do have a huge interest in law, human behaviour and what will happen in the next few years so I’m attracted to information on this topic

I appreciate you have insight due to your career. That’s great (I actually met someone who had a great job with all
this stuff the other day, similar to my old career but this focus)

Anyway on all these threads I have been saying think about what will happen in the next few years and how financially backed trafficking is etc as confirmed on R4 today

On this particular issue I think some of those issues are being exposed, countries have almost no power over returns. All they have is other location processing, within international law

Anyway tldr - I have appreciated calmer insights on this thread from all directions, they usually blow up into name calling etc

I do not expect the UK govt to start dealing nicely, they have never dealt nicely with Ireland, long before the EU were involved!
I think there is a lot of bitterness in the UK towards Ireland because they have started to stand up for themselves and because they have the backing of the EU.
The UK are further isolating themselves and are not in a good place.

@EasternStandard / you and I are on totally different ends of the political spectrum but I do think that the chances of Simon Harris producing a written agreement which deals with this beyond legal doubt are about as good as a snowball's chance in hell. He has made a big mistake

Not sun readers, spectator readers and that is the magazine all the U.K. politicians read. It has influence and it is not pro Ireland imo ( unfortunately)

@Evanna13 - take the emotion out of it. The CTA is a fragile thing. It's an agreement by understanding. Look at who is still in power in the UK. Nothing has changed. This government despise the EU and by proxy are not happy about Ireland either. If you expect them to suddenly decide that both are worth dealing with except in some circumstances which benefit it directly, that would be wrong.

That’s very opaque and muddied but it probably reflects the position Ireland is in which seems haphazard, with sage country declaration and 100 officers

The UK is not going to agree to a large number of asylum seekers being returned, even if that is physically possible.

Going back to pp people will not be searched and rounded up crossing a soft border and if they are how and where are they taken?

Once movement of people changes direction there’s very little a country can do bar process as Aus does, if they do the hardline option

Do you think Ireland should have sat back and allowed the UK to break International law and break the GFA during Brexit negotiations?

No that’s one example and just a silly one but points out that Irish politicians should be careful making comments sometimes. CTA is one example and closing Irish air space is another!
engage brain before opening gob.
i would like to see all this CTA chat disappear rather than a spotlight on it from Westminster as I benefit from it !