"Migrants going to Ireland," states Rishi Sunak PM

news.sky.com/story/amp/law-allowing-asylum-seekers-to-be-detained-and-sent-to-rwanda-disapplied-by-court-in-northern-ireland-13135151

So asylum seekers can travel to NI and claim asylum from there.

How will that work. Isn't Applying in NI and accepted applicable in all countries within UK?

The NI court decision today might change things in terms of how many cross the open border

MC is somebody up high baby, it is protected and haemorrhages money

@Greybay

Not to mention if you use the free phone number you get through to a help desk which sends an email to MC section who then send through a reply or sometimes not.

The issue the client has can become something else entirely before it gets to the relevant team.

A lot of issues but as I said poor management structure. Good staff won't stay which leaves coasting staff and inexperienced

Thanks for your reply @DublinFemale.
It's good to be heard. I think the inexperienced processors were a lot to do with the problems we had tbh.

Glad to hear improvements are being made overall. It does need to improve. For us the whole process added significantly to the trauma of what was a very traumatic time anyway.

For the terminally ill or seriously ill now there is a dedicated section which deals exclusively.

Also there has been a big push to get hospital social workers understanding how to get the necessities, MC, SW etc.

And yes the system could be better and hopefully the improvements keep coming.

I don't disagree. It can be difficult. It has in last while become better.

I have an advantage of understanding what is needed and the terminology which gets it processed quickly.

MC area is not a nice section to work so huge staff turnover which means inexperienced processors who are then trained by inexperienced processors. The management structure and ethos is combative with a hint of work to prevent MC issue rather than help people get a MC.

It is slowly moving towards free health care as Slainte card expands. This of course all boils down to funding which the government has control of.

If you have an ongoing illness cards can issued on medical grounds.

We found it extremely difficult to get a medical card for our terminally ill dad who was in his early 80s @DublinFemale. Clearly he was eligible for one but there seem to be a lot of glitches in the application system.

I dread to think of those people who have no-one to advocate for them. It really was so very difficult to get the necessary card.

For anyone talking about medical care.

People would be very surprised that a lot of people would qualify for a GP visit card.

It's not the income that brings people over the line it's their outgoings.

Mortgage/rent
Childcare
Building, contents insurance
Mortgage protection
Maintenance payments from previous relationship
Travel costs

These are all assessable outgoings.

If you have an ongoing illness cards can issued on medical grounds.

I worked in medical cards for years, people would surprised, plus the limits were increased last year also.

www.citizensinformation.ie/en/health/medical-cards-and-gp-visit-cards/gp-visit-cards/

The public in-patient charges of €80 a night were actually abolished in April of last year so that's one thing we don't need to worry about any more, thank goidness.
The €100 fee for A&E still remains for much of the public though.

It's €80 per night capped at 10 nights per year for admissions. Anyone with a child in school should get the cheap insurance under €10 per year 24 hour cover and that will cover any A&E visits and the insurance companies are very quick to pay up.

I did indeed. Now I'd be entitled to a medical card I think but due to MH issues I couldn't get my shit together enough to apply for it so that's my fault. But I hadn't realised I'd be getting a bill. It was a three month (ISH) stay though so in all honesty it's not such bad value. When you think of the costs involved in treating me.

@DanielGault did you get an 800€ charge for being an inpatient? That’s shocking.

that’s very true - I was charged 100 euro for an emergency visit with my DD. It was life threatening if not treated immediately but did not require an inpatient stay. Also broken bones ect….

Perhaps asylum seekers suffering from or dying from treatable illness would make some people feel better about having to pay for the doctor 🙄

Or on a purely practical level - because in reality hospital care won’t be refused - they would get treated anyway but not at GP level - which ends up costing more anyway.

I'd be in that demographic so I know. But I go if I need to. And they have not been too bad in getting their money tbh. It's the cost of a longer stay I'd be more worried about tbh, I wasn't really aware of it. Afaik it's capped, but I got a bill for 800 quid for a long stay and I just laughed. I have no way of paying it like. But my credit rating was shot already so I just had to say that can go with the rest of the bills. And unfortunately, it comes after food, heat, clothes, school. So they'll be waiting.

Yes,@DanielGault, but that's not much good if you know you can't afford the €100 charge.
People do avoid attending because of it.

Iirc though, that bill isn't a barrier at the time. It can be dealt with after.

Unsurprisingly not much on mn on Starmer’s terrible approach

We are going to have much greater problems than Ireland soon

For those who don’t have a medical card etc, if you are referred to A+E/ Emergency Department by your doctor, it is also free. If you go there yourself without any referral, and don’t need to be admitted it is 100 Euro. If you need to be admitted, even if you turned up without a referral, this emergency fee is waived, probably as that is a true emergency.

Not the point of the thread I know, but one of the things I don't like about this system is that there are 'true' emergencies that you do need to attend the Emergency Dept for...but you rarely need to be admitted for. So you end up paying a €100 fee that many people can ill-afford. Being above the cut-off for the medical card doesn't mean you're not struggling with the cost of living.

For example, in the case of an anaphylatic reaction the advised procedure is to go straight to A&E (NB not the GP). This is true even if the reaction has resolved because you've administered your epipen. Anyphylaxis can return after an interval and you need to be monitored for several hours as an outpatient. The epipen gives you time to get to a hospital.

Many people don't do this, partly because they don't want to hang around A&E for hours, but often simply because of the cost involved. They take their chances instead.
So it can be dangerous to have these charges in place.

Yes, people on very low income and /or people on welfare don't have to pay to go to the doctor. If the doc refers you on to the hospital, nobody has to pay but some people have private health insurance and there are private hospitals.
So we now have a situation where people like myself earning a mere 40k per annum have to pay to go to see a doctor but the government is using my taxes to pay for free GPs for people who keep coming illegally. It's not them I'm angry with, it's the government.

I don't know about the healthcare system in Ireland; is it that you pay a certain fee if you can afford it? Those who cannot get the same care however?

I don’t begrudge healthcare to anyone. Ideally we would have an NHS system but we don’t. As the system is now, I think everyone who can’t afford healthcare should have a medical card including asylum seekers.

Is this really such a strange position to take?

Emergency hospital care is free in Ireland. If you have a health emergency and you need to be hospitalised, that will be paid for. For those who don’t have a medical card etc, if you are referred to A+E/ Emergency Department by your doctor, it is also free. If you go there yourself without any referral, and don’t need to be admitted it is 100 Euro. If you need to be admitted, even if you turned up without a referral, this emergency fee is waived, probably as that is a true emergency. No penalty for medical card holders if they turn up to A+E with no referral, and do not need to be hospitalised.

Well, you brought up that you don’t begrudge healthcare to anyone. I thought that a very strange thing to say vis a vis Ireland as routine healthcare has to be paid for by most people. Whether they can really afford it or not. After tax (which funds the free healthcare for others), mortgages, childcare, transport etc.

Fucking hell Cooper

Not sure if they believe what they’re saying or just think the electorate will. If they do believe it I’m embarrassed by them

It’s pure idiocy, they can’t even answer what they’ll do with a trafficker in Iraq

We’re going to interrogate migrants in a boat, a large majority who get asylum and will then stay elite force or not

None of whom know much more than a guy with a fake name sold a place on an overpacked boat, the guy doesn’t know who’s selling boats and certainly doesn’t know who is at the top running trafficking networks

And Starmer is going to clean up trafficking by have a good old chat with officers

JFC

Don’t worry Keir’s ‘elite border force’ and stop and search will certainly ensure everyone who gets here stays in the U.K. after he’s in

The biggest load of rubbish yet