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Fake memories?

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Aydel · 28/04/2024 15:26

I was chatting with DD2 the other day about bringing up children, specifically her and her sister when they were little. She said to me “You used to hit us all the time to make us behave.”

I was horrified - the only time I smacked either of them was DD1’s hand with the fish slice when I was cooking and she was trying to touch the frying pan. DD2 “remembers” me pulling down her trousers and smacking her bottom. She claims this happened at home and specifically when I picked her up from nursery on a few occasions. I said that it categorically didn’t happen. She just said “OK, if that’s what you say.”

She also said she used to scream and cry and refuse to go back to boarding school on a Sunday night. This also isn’t true! She was always quite happy about it, and slept all the way to school. It was never an issue.

She’s 23 now. I asked her what other “discipline” she remembered, and she remembered being taken home from a restaurant when she was about 4, because she kept getting down and running around (true). And also being made to clean her bedroom wall when she had scribbled on it (also true). But I’ve never hit either her or her sister! I asked her sister, and she said that neither I nor DH ever hit her or her sister, and confirmed that DD2 didn’t cry when she went back to school. Yet DD2 is adamant that this happened, and it makes me sad and worried.

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movingonsaturday · 28/04/2024 17:19

@tuvamoodyson they can't verify the specific events but she does the same thing to them too. And I can verify their events. It's a sad situation but perhaps not the same as the op's

ButWhatAboutTheBees · 28/04/2024 17:18

OP your conviction she CAN'T Possibly have cried when getting back to boarding school or just before leaving doesn't make me think you definitely never hit her another time and don't remember it because for you it wasn't a big deal but for her it was and she now remembers it as a more frequent thing

Just because DD1 never saw it doesn't mean it didn't happen either.

ButWhatAboutTheBees · 28/04/2024 17:07

SoftPuppyBlanket · 28/04/2024 16:06

This! Almost everyone I know under the age of 25 can't wait to tell me about one trauma or another that they have supposedly gone through.
I find it difficult to sympathise as realistically they have grown up with the best standard of living with the most open and supportive generation of parents (obviously excluding actual cases of abuse/poverty).
I can't help but wonder if the years spent encouraging navel gazing and every corner of social media explaining why parents actions are always abusive no matter how well intentioned they were have psychologically damaged an entire generation.
Hope you and your daughter get through this OP.

"Most open and supportive"

Assume you aren't including yourself or a good deal of MN parents in that because you can't call yourself open and supportive whilst dismissing their trauma!

Eyesopenwideawake · 28/04/2024 17:01

The thing with memories are that they are a not a true representation of the event, they can diminish, or be embellished, over time. So what might have happened her is that there was a girl at her primary school who did get hit - or her and her friends talked about who's mum was the nastiest (and your daughter joined in, because no one want's to be left out at that age) - so your daughter could have mixed up other peoples recollections with the ones that actually happened to her and made them her own.

YoureALizardHarry11 · 28/04/2024 16:59

fieldsofbutterflies · 28/04/2024 16:46

Yep, this. Not everything is down to poor parenting - children are influenced by all sorts of things that are nothing to do with their parents.

Of course they can be influenced by other things, but what I’m saying is your upbringing and early family life influences the rest of your life. I’m more replying to other posters saying people ‘blame their parents’. Your early environment explains a lot about why someone is how they are as an older child/ adult. And that’s not me ‘blaming’ anyone, literally not a single parent or person in the world is perfect, no one gets everything right but your parents are your earliest influences.

alloweraoway · 28/04/2024 16:57

maybe it was dreams? I had so many vivid dreams that my brother was dead and we were in mourning, at once stage in my childhood - concentrated on around a one month period - that I used to wake up thinking it was true, because I remembered other mornings lying in my bed crying about it.

So to this day I have clear memories of mourning my very much alive and walking around my house right now, adult "baby" brother - if that makes sense?

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 28/04/2024 16:57

I gave myself a false memory.

There was one particular thing my dad used to do. A few years ago I remembered it and thought how nice it was that he did it, but then I thought 'what would I have done or said if Mum had said that he did it out of guilt and we all know why he felt that way.' It was just a random thought, IT NEVER HAPPENED and I know it didn't. But my mind has still managed to do a sort of 'ah, but maybe it DID happen and you've just forgotten...'

It would have been out of character to the point of insanity for my mother to have said such a thing, and my dad was an exemplary father. But I still catch myself sometimes thinking 'but maybe it WAS real...'

It wasn't. But the more you think about things like this, the more real they begin to feel. Maybe your DD had a vivid dream or wrote a story where these things happened, and it has sunk into her subconscious so deeply that she 'feels' it as a memory?

craxy · 28/04/2024 16:54

There have been cases discussed where one sibling detailed a completely different childhood to that which took place. Multiple siblings confirm their stories are nonsensical. Some of the 'facts' couldn't have happened due to geographical/logistical realities. Yet the 'victim' is convinced of their truth.

There are probably various reasons why this happens but it isn't always down to parental abuse. People are complex. Weird shit happens in peoples heads. Unfortunately the whole 'we must believe and accept whatever victims say' movement has thrown facts out in the attempt to rebalance the sadly high number of abuse cases that were not believed. But accepting a falsehood as fact doesn't serve anyone abs creates new victims.

AllTheMiniEggs · 28/04/2024 16:50

Not quite the same, but my DD is convinced that we once drove through a tunnel that we regularly pass on the way home. There's no way a car would even fit through and we've never even walked there (dodge area). She must have dreamt it but she's convinced we did even though she can see it's not possible.

There's a few things she's mentioned that didn't happen. Weird.

craxy · 28/04/2024 16:49

movingonsaturday · 28/04/2024 16:44

My mum is like your mum. Doesn't seem to remember any of the bad parts of my upbringing. She will deny they happened and it's really fractured our relationship. I just think of her as a gaslighter now and can't trust her

You are assuming it happened. I'm sorry it happened to you. That doesn't mean everyone was like your mum

craxy · 28/04/2024 16:47

@loverofbestbuy

perhaps doesn’t want to revisit / cause a fuss 🤷
Or maybe the more likely reason.... it never happened.

tuvamoodyson · 28/04/2024 16:46

movingonsaturday · 28/04/2024 16:44

My mum is like your mum. Doesn't seem to remember any of the bad parts of my upbringing. She will deny they happened and it's really fractured our relationship. I just think of her as a gaslighter now and can't trust her

Do you have any siblings, if so, can they verify it happened?

fieldsofbutterflies · 28/04/2024 16:46

AppleKatie · 28/04/2024 16:42

I agree with you but I would caution that it is not necessarily parental fault here, we just can’t know either way.

Yep, this. Not everything is down to poor parenting - children are influenced by all sorts of things that are nothing to do with their parents.

movingonsaturday · 28/04/2024 16:44

Sorry, my mum is like you *

movingonsaturday · 28/04/2024 16:44

My mum is like your mum. Doesn't seem to remember any of the bad parts of my upbringing. She will deny they happened and it's really fractured our relationship. I just think of her as a gaslighter now and can't trust her

YoureALizardHarry11 · 28/04/2024 16:44

AppleKatie · 28/04/2024 16:42

I agree with you but I would caution that it is not necessarily parental fault here, we just can’t know either way.

We can’t know as we don’t know the OP or daughters life, but people don’t generally make things up out of thin air, so maybe a chat needs to be had to understand where it’s coming from.

ManchesterBeatrice · 28/04/2024 16:42

100% my sibling does this for drama

AppleKatie · 28/04/2024 16:42

YoureALizardHarry11 · 28/04/2024 16:39

But I would argue that someone completely well adjusted wouldn’t make stuff up for the hell of it. People are products of their environment by and large, so if they’re making stuff up it raises the question why they feel the need. It’s a fact of life that your upbringing and parenting shape you and sometimes even with the best will in the world they don’t do the best job a lot of the time. Parents play a significant part in how their children turn out.

I agree with you but I would caution that it is not necessarily parental fault here, we just can’t know either way.

Boomer55 · 28/04/2024 16:41

EmilyTjP · 28/04/2024 15:33

I really believe this generation of late teens/young adults make this stuff up in their heads so they can claim to be victims. “I have trauma”
I know of two siblings who have different interpretations of their same childhood. Very peculiar.

Yep, it’s apparently quite common. Best ignored.🙂

Aydel · 28/04/2024 16:40

She didn’t board at 11, she was older. I am sure there were some tears at the start as it was all so different (including a change of country), but she didn’t cry every Sunday when we took her back. We would joke about her falling asleep as soon as the engine started, and having to wake her up when we got to school. DD1 would sometimes come with us, and just remembers her sister sleeping for the entire journey.

And DD1 is adamant that they were never hit or smacked. Told off and removed, yes, but not smacked.

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YoureALizardHarry11 · 28/04/2024 16:39

AppleKatie · 28/04/2024 16:32

No 23 year old was subject to corporal punishment at boarding school! And if they were it’d be national news.

i tend to agree that there is a trend at the moment to blame parents/exaggerate and imagine trauma. I’m not sure where it comes from but it’s quite unpleasant.

But I would argue that someone completely well adjusted wouldn’t make stuff up for the hell of it. People are products of their environment by and large, so if they’re making stuff up it raises the question why they feel the need. It’s a fact of life that your upbringing and parenting shape you and sometimes even with the best will in the world they don’t do the best job a lot of the time. Parents play a significant part in how their children turn out.

fieldsofbutterflies · 28/04/2024 16:39

Arightoldcarryabag · 28/04/2024 15:35

These will most likely be confusing situations that did happen rather than inventing something completely new.

If I were to guess, perhaps she was beaten at boarding school and attributed that to being beaten at home. Perhaps she cried once she'd arrived back at boarding school and thinks she'd cried before leaving.

Perhaps it's a response to abuse she received (at school) and therapy would help her see what really happened but honestly, you might all be better off with her thinking what she does right now.

She's only 23 - she wasn't beaten at boarding school Hmm

Aydel · 28/04/2024 16:34

Well if she screamed and cried it would have been at school because we’d have heard it in our flat.

She was a weekly boarder and would often come home late on a Friday night as she wanted to hang out with friends or go to a party - perfectly normal teenage behaviour. And at school she had her own bedroom and bathroom - it wasn’t an Enid Blyton type dorm. It was like a big family house with sitting rooms, games rooms and they all ate dinner together.

DD1 laughed and said no way were either of them hit or smacked. We would remove them from the scene for bad behaviour - eg DD2 had a tantrum and threw all her toys into the garden, when she was about 5, so I took her upstairs and we sat quietly on her bed so she could think about why this wasn’t acceptable behaviour.

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Megapint · 28/04/2024 16:34

Sadly, it's not just the younger generation. My brother is in his mid 50's and has invented a horrible childhood full of abuse and neglect. The stories he tells about our mum are just ridiculous. He's a strung out smack head, though.

SevenSeasOfRhye · 28/04/2024 16:32

My parents later denied some of the terrible stuff they did to me in the 70s/80s. They've lost their marbles now so I'll never get an apology.

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