Do you begrudge high earners?

@XenoBitch Exactly! I think supervisor jobs are worse than doing manager jobs higher up, and I have done both. You are responsible for the day to day management of people near minimum wage, some of who will be trying to do as little as possible. At the same time you are the person who managers above delegate loads of tasks to, and get you to ensure staff follow any changes to policies and processes even when they make zero sense. It really is the worse of all worlds. It is fine if it is a stepping stone, but otherwise it is nearly always a shitty job for a tiny tiny bit more money.

Oh yes I can't stand the so called self employed ones earning 40/ 50/ 60 k and paying virtually no tax.
Out of order.

@savethatkitty do you think lower paid workers are sitting around drinking tea and eating biscuits?

Yes I do. More envy. I feel I could never do the work involved to earn a high salary.

I'm a high earner & I work my arse off for it! I have studied & earned higher education to warrant my pay. So no, I do not begrudge high earning. Trust me, we're not sitting around drinking tea & eating biscuits

When I worked in the NHS, I was Band 1. Supervisors were Band 2. I saw many colleagues go up to supervisor and demote themselves after a while. The extra pressure and responsibility was not worth the meagre pay rise.
It didn't help that management (on Band 6 at a minimum) were total assholes.

In 2023, the average annual full-time earnings for the top ten percent of earners in the United Kingdom was £66,669. £300,000 is more than simply a high earner.

That's not my experience

Gosh I wish HMRC had the same view of what constitutes a high earner 😂

I agree with the other poster that the extra money is usually minimal. DH was asked if he was interested in a supervisor post, he said no. The woman who is doing it now is managing a team of just above minimum wage workers, getting massive pressure from senior management to make sure staff meet challenging targets, is under pressure to work over her hours because of the volume of work, and for that is being paid about £40 more per month after tax and NI. No it is not worth it. Supervisor positions are normally really shit jobs.

Blossomtoes fair enough and thank you

No. He sounds like an amazing man. Can you clone him because the world needs more people like him. I begrudge success to people who wouldn’t give their nose droppings away and do everything possible to avoid tax.

💯Same here.

Dh builds care homes but at the moment part of his time is focused on building a homeless shelter. He gives a large percentage of his personal earnings every year to charity along with company donations, on top of colossal tax and corporation tax. He's a giver. Are there people out there who actually begrudge success for someone like him?

Personally I do t think mine should be dropped as I would a lot , I do however think q lot if others should go up to the same levers as mine

No, but I do think it's unfair that essential, critical jobs are often paid less than (imo) stupid worthless jobs. Like "Influencer".

I don’t understand this, I really don’t agree that those earning highly always it’s due in part to luck or connections. Sometimes sure. Yes. But quite frankly not always and I read this as a way to undermine achievements,

also your comment on resenting thay they worked hard and deserved it. You sound like you do absolutely begrudge people success. And I wonder if that is due to your own work history.

And Google isn't a person

Nobody talks about premier league footballers or music artists on these threads. Is it so self evident that only they deserve the enormous sums they earn? The reality is you get paid for your output, if your rare skill or talent is in demand and will generate revenue then you will earn more money, it's not really about working hard or working more hours in the day.

My dad earned a good salary 25 years ago. He brought home £7000 a month and from that my parents saved £4000 every month and had £3000 for meeting the household expenses. He had to travel to London though at least once a week and New York once a month. Even when he was working in the Edinburgh office he worked 12/13 hours a day. In the office for 5am and not getting home any earlier than 6pm. I would not want to deal with the stress that he had to deal with then. My dad was a stockbroker analyst.

Same.

Do I begrudge hard working high earners who pay their taxes, don't whinge about benefits scroungers, live their lives in a politically humanitarian way? No, absolutely not.

Do I begrudge high earners who get rich off other people's misery, do everything they can to avoid tax, look down their noses at others who are less fortunate and are politically driven by greed and conservation of themselves at the expense of others? Fuck, yeah I do.

It is not someone's wealth that I judge. It is how they behave with it.

@PotatoPudding ,

It doesn’t really work that way.

Block shareholdings (pension funds etc) dominate the vote on corporate issues. And the end holders of the shares have very little say. And, of course, the big pension funds are staffed by people who are also overpaid, so they vote ludicrous schemes through for CEOs.

The most egregious examples were the bonuses paid in 2008, all voted through months before the banks became insolvent and the shareholders lost everything. That was close to criminal.

Yes, that was a choice I was never going to make lightly as it is probably one of the most important choices a person can make.

Begrudge is a strange word.

I don’t begrudge them their success at all. But I do resent the attitude that they worked hard and deserved it, especially if they are in certain over remunerated professions (finance, management consulting, corporate law etc).

If they are nice respectful people and understand that, at least in part, their success is due to luck and connections, I am very happy for them, especially if they give back in some way (time or money).

I was in an over remunerated profession and then did a decade of teaching, earning about 10-20% of what i did in my previous career. I worked at least equally hard as a teacher and actually found it more rewarding in many ways.