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Do you begrudge high earners?

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cheerscheerscheerstomeyeahcheers · 28/04/2024 08:47

Do you actually understand what they do and why they earn so much?
Would you be actually willing to put in the time and effort yourself?

I see so much griping about people that earn a lot, but I also see a lot of ignorance about why they earn what they do.

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GreatGateauxsby · 28/04/2024 09:39

Pippa246 · 28/04/2024 09:33

Not to hand but I’m not naive so I don’t need to find a source

I’ll help you….

The 10% of income taxpayers with the largest incomes contribute over 60% of income tax receipts.

if 99.9% of them are dodging it do the maths on that.

MotherofGorgons · 28/04/2024 09:38

Kinshipug · 28/04/2024 09:36

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8513/

There you go, in black and white, how wrong you are.

TLDR: The 10% of income taxpayers with the largest incomes contribute over 60% of income tax receipts.

Botanica · 28/04/2024 09:38

Assertions that 99.9% of earners over £300k are tax avoiding are just crazy....

Bugs me when folks speculate on people they know nothing about.

There's definitely a bunch of folks on here creating an unpleasant narrative of what they think high earners are both saying and doing, but completely disconnected from reality.

Pippa246 · 28/04/2024 09:38

whistleblower99 · 28/04/2024 09:32

Again. You’re showing your lack of understanding with salary vs wealth. At most someone on PAYE can out in extra to a pension to reduce their tax burden. High earners on PAYE are literally the people funding the country for themselves and everyone else. It’s the people hiding behind wealth, assets and dividends who you are thinking of. People on a salary via PAYE are paying extortionate amounts of tax and quite literally funding UK plc.

i think we are on the same page really.

but I did pay lots into my pension which wasn’t taxed at the time but is now.

I’m a nurse who ended up teaching/in research and for a 60K plus salary but I don’t think of that as being a high earner despite what the average wage is.

whistleblower99 · 28/04/2024 09:37

GreatGateauxsby · 28/04/2024 09:34

Ludicrous and laughable.

i don’t make 300k but I’m touching 200k I pay over £75k in taxes and NI every year…. I’m not usual in this

This.

MotherofGorgons · 28/04/2024 09:36

Pippa246 · 28/04/2024 09:33

Not to hand but I’m not naive so I don’t need to find a source

Ok then.

Kinshipug · 28/04/2024 09:36

Pippa246 · 28/04/2024 09:29

No not necessarily - if they tax avoid which I reckon 99.9% of them do. As I said, on that amount of money you can afford an accountant to get you out of paying tax. Wake up.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8513/

There you go, in black and white, how wrong you are.

EasternStandard · 28/04/2024 09:35

No for a variety of reasons including the tax burden

BeaRF75 · 28/04/2024 09:34

No. They work hard and take huge amounts of responsibility in their jobs. They pay a lot of tax, spend on goods & services and often employ people too. The country needs them.

GreatGateauxsby · 28/04/2024 09:34

Pippa246 · 28/04/2024 09:29

No not necessarily - if they tax avoid which I reckon 99.9% of them do. As I said, on that amount of money you can afford an accountant to get you out of paying tax. Wake up.

Ludicrous and laughable.

i don’t make 300k but I’m touching 200k I pay over £75k in taxes and NI every year…. I’m not usual in this

Pippa246 · 28/04/2024 09:33

MotherofGorgons · 28/04/2024 09:31

Any data to back up this assertion?

Not to hand but I’m not naive so I don’t need to find a source

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 28/04/2024 09:32

Many people do and at a lot less than the "300k" op has stated

whistleblower99 · 28/04/2024 09:32

Pippa246 · 28/04/2024 09:29

No not necessarily - if they tax avoid which I reckon 99.9% of them do. As I said, on that amount of money you can afford an accountant to get you out of paying tax. Wake up.

Again. You’re showing your lack of understanding with salary vs wealth. At most someone on PAYE can out in extra to a pension to reduce their tax burden. High earners on PAYE are literally the people funding the country for themselves and everyone else. It’s the people hiding behind wealth, assets and dividends who you are thinking of. People on a salary via PAYE are paying extortionate amounts of tax and quite literally funding UK plc.

Pippa246 · 28/04/2024 09:32

Nannyfannybanny · 28/04/2024 09:28

Money was never a big issue for me. I always said job satisfaction was more important, I was nursing over 40 years. I did a few other jobs as well. The highest paid was in London surveyor in the building trade, this was in the 70s, lots of verbal sexual abuse (Claire Rayner agony aunt said ignore that and the bum slapping, don't let them see you react) I did, then one day, I was called into the drawing office, and 3 of them tried to get my clothes off. I managed with difficulty to get away, beating on the door, screaming at the 16 year old opposite on the phone, only other female in the place to call the police. She just sat there with her mouth open. I ran out, didn't even stop for my handbag. Started training a year later.

im sorry that happened to you 💐

Nannyfannybanny · 28/04/2024 09:31

When I did return for the bag, I was told by the head of the drawing office I couldn't take a joke. That I was ok with the bum slapping,"jokes", only because I took Claire Rayners advice . In the 60s I was modeling, offered huge amount of money to take my clothes off.... nope I never did.

Halloweenrainbow · 28/04/2024 09:31

No, but I don't believe a lot of the posters on those threads earn as much as they claim to. People on wages £125k + are a small percentage of the population. Interesting how so many of them have time to be on here in the middle of the working day!

MotherofGorgons · 28/04/2024 09:31

Pippa246 · 28/04/2024 09:29

No not necessarily - if they tax avoid which I reckon 99.9% of them do. As I said, on that amount of money you can afford an accountant to get you out of paying tax. Wake up.

Any data to back up this assertion?

Hateliars34 · 28/04/2024 09:29

Someone on 30k might work twice as hard as someone on 300k, be more intelligent but chosen an industry that pays less.

Some influencers earn over 300k and do not work hard. How hard someone works will vary immensely depending on what job and industry they're in.

I don't begrudge anyone for what they earn because we're all on different paths, but I think people who assume the higher the salary the harder the work are very naive.

Pippa246 · 28/04/2024 09:29

whistleblower99 · 28/04/2024 09:27

So the high earner will have funded their access to the fire service. Many times over.

No not necessarily - if they tax avoid which I reckon 99.9% of them do. As I said, on that amount of money you can afford an accountant to get you out of paying tax. Wake up.

Happyinarcon · 28/04/2024 09:29

A lot of high earners get paid for the mental strain. I’ve been in an office where the CEO resigned and no one wanted to step into the job despite the high pay packet because they didn’t want the burden. You have to be willing to sit people down and fire them, you have to manage people who don’t deliver, get a project over the line while trying to deal with that one creative person on the team who promised the client a bunch of impossible shit.
Imagine that you’re responsible for delivering a 5mil dollar project, the time is tight, you’re already over budget and your head is on the chopping block. Look around at 30 of your colleagues and ask yourself if you could be genuinely be their manager and meet the delivery targets. Nine times out of ten it’s a miserable ruthless task.

Nannyfannybanny · 28/04/2024 09:28

Money was never a big issue for me. I always said job satisfaction was more important, I was nursing over 40 years. I did a few other jobs as well. The highest paid was in London surveyor in the building trade, this was in the 70s, lots of verbal sexual abuse (Claire Rayner agony aunt said ignore that and the bum slapping, don't let them see you react) I did, then one day, I was called into the drawing office, and 3 of them tried to get my clothes off. I managed with difficulty to get away, beating on the door, screaming at the 16 year old opposite on the phone, only other female in the place to call the police. She just sat there with her mouth open. I ran out, didn't even stop for my handbag. Started training a year later.

Churchview · 28/04/2024 09:28

Nope, I'm not willing to put in the time and effort myself. There's more to life and beyond a certain level of security and comfort, wealth in itself doesn't seem to make people very happy.

whistleblower99 · 28/04/2024 09:27

Pippa246 · 28/04/2024 09:22

I know.

So the high earner will have funded their access to the fire service. Many times over.

Beezknees · 28/04/2024 09:27

Not at all.

I do have an issue when high earners moan about low earners getting government help, or when they can't seem to understand that not everyone can be a high earner and it's often a lot more complicated than just "working hard."

Gorgonemilezola · 28/04/2024 09:26

No, unless they've exploited others to get to the position.

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