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AIBU to think a potential 2% pay rise for the NHS staff is ridiculous?

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Sunflowers68 · 28/04/2024 08:01

NHS England is cautioning against giving employees raises of more than 2%. is A band 2 salary is now only 10p above minimum wage due to the recent increase in the minimum wage. Surely, a 2% increase is insufficient for a job this challenging? If you are still working in the NHS, can you share your reasons why?

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Bouledeneige · 29/06/2024 23:57

BIossomtoes · 28/06/2024 18:19

The deficit is actually £700k - about the price of a detached house in Surrey.

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The £12.5m deficit was reported in the Financial Times on May 22nd 2024 (see below) reporting on Sue Gray's risk register for the Labour party on entering government. The IFS, Health Foundation and Nuffield Foundation report similar deficits. Please share your source.

www.ft.com/content/0c6429ed-8afa-42a7-bff8-3b1d325dcb12

SnakesAndArrows · 28/06/2024 20:10

Bouledeneige · 28/06/2024 17:30

How much more can we all afford to pay in tax to fund it? The NHS is running a £12.5b deficit this year and every 1 percent on pay costs over a £100m more to taxpayers.

Dunno. How much do you value healthcare? Do you want 1970s medicines and surgery or do you want 2020s medicines and surgery? Do you think you could get a better deal in a privatised system?

Blushingm · 28/06/2024 19:21

LadyFeatheringt0n · 28/06/2024 08:57

Band 2 are unskilled jobs requiring no qualifications or experience, its not really surprising they are only paid minimum wage.

You really know absolutely nothing......

Blushingm · 28/06/2024 19:21

LadyFeatheringt0n · 28/06/2024 13:21

Emiliaswrath

The fact that some employers will ask for experience doesn't change that this is considered an unskilled job.

The experience and skills required are basic - that experience could be obtained in a very short space of time.

Not basic - they make look basic but they needle to have the underpinning knowledge and then be an assessed to be considered competent plus practice and have their competencies reassessed......unless you've done a role you can't comment you will have only witnessed small parts of it

Btw I'm a nursing sister so think I can comment on the skills of my HCA

Blushingm · 28/06/2024 19:17

LadyFeatheringt0n · 28/06/2024 13:29

The point being:
Its irrelevant what the employer lists as desirable experience. Of course they want the best possible person for the job.

But do you actually need advanced skills and experience to do that job? No. The skills and experience can be picked up in the first 2 or 3 shifts by a school leaver.

Our HCA have to their NVQ level 3 or 4 which takes at least a year and they doesn't involve skills learnt and n study days and then practiced whilst supervised and needing to be signed off as competent such as venepuncture, compression bandaging etc (which if some incorrectly can have catastrophic results). - so a school leaver can't learn in a couple of shifts 🙄

BIossomtoes · 28/06/2024 18:19

Bouledeneige · 28/06/2024 17:30

How much more can we all afford to pay in tax to fund it? The NHS is running a £12.5b deficit this year and every 1 percent on pay costs over a £100m more to taxpayers.

The deficit is actually £700k - about the price of a detached house in Surrey.

RosaRoja · 28/06/2024 18:07

Can we afford not to? Sick nation vs other countries. People on waiting lists, out of work etc.

Bouledeneige · 28/06/2024 17:30

How much more can we all afford to pay in tax to fund it? The NHS is running a £12.5b deficit this year and every 1 percent on pay costs over a £100m more to taxpayers.

blarneebeekeeper · 28/06/2024 14:46

And its not undermining the role of others, their pay in my trust is £1 over min wage, which they fully deserve, the comparison was the staff who give hands on care are getting minimum wage, which is not fair given the extra responsibilities they have.

blarneebeekeeper · 28/06/2024 14:44

innerdesign · 28/06/2024 14:43

They should go to the union and ask for a review then, they should be getting a band 3 if they're doing bloods etc. No need to undermine the role of the porter and cleaner though, if they weren't there none of us would be able to do our jobs.

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Its an on going conversation in the trust, thats been on going since i was a HCA in 2017 also doing bloods etc. Unions have been involved for years. Nothing has changed.

innerdesign · 28/06/2024 14:43

blarneebeekeeper · 28/06/2024 14:41

Porters and cleaners in my trust (as they are not trust employees) get paid more than the HCA's i work with on A&E who are doing bloods, ecgs, vital signs, and literally preforming CPR, never mind personal care and 1-1 of mental health health, dementia and confused patients as band 2 staff. Yes, porters and cleaners are vital in the running of the hospital, but they dont have the responsibilities of HCA's, far from it.

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They should go to the union and ask for a review then, they should be getting a band 3 if they're doing bloods etc. No need to undermine the role of the porter and cleaner though, if they weren't there none of us would be able to do our jobs.

HowIrresponsible · 28/06/2024 14:42

2% is all I got. And we had to fight hard for that.

Gosh aren't we all so very spoilt in the private sector

blarneebeekeeper · 28/06/2024 14:41

innerdesign · 28/06/2024 13:54

That's not only untrue, but also incredibly rude and dismissive. It takes a while to get up to speed in a lot of these roles, I'd say months to become competent (and years to be really valued). Unfortunately there are a lot of roles paid at the same band that are very different. For example, the role above seems to be for a pharmacy support worker and is banded the same as a canteen worker or porter.

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Porters and cleaners in my trust (as they are not trust employees) get paid more than the HCA's i work with on A&E who are doing bloods, ecgs, vital signs, and literally preforming CPR, never mind personal care and 1-1 of mental health health, dementia and confused patients as band 2 staff. Yes, porters and cleaners are vital in the running of the hospital, but they dont have the responsibilities of HCA's, far from it.

innerdesign · 28/06/2024 13:54

LadyFeatheringt0n · 28/06/2024 13:29

The point being:
Its irrelevant what the employer lists as desirable experience. Of course they want the best possible person for the job.

But do you actually need advanced skills and experience to do that job? No. The skills and experience can be picked up in the first 2 or 3 shifts by a school leaver.

That's not only untrue, but also incredibly rude and dismissive. It takes a while to get up to speed in a lot of these roles, I'd say months to become competent (and years to be really valued). Unfortunately there are a lot of roles paid at the same band that are very different. For example, the role above seems to be for a pharmacy support worker and is banded the same as a canteen worker or porter.

LadyFeatheringt0n · 28/06/2024 13:29

The point being:
Its irrelevant what the employer lists as desirable experience. Of course they want the best possible person for the job.

But do you actually need advanced skills and experience to do that job? No. The skills and experience can be picked up in the first 2 or 3 shifts by a school leaver.

LadyFeatheringt0n · 28/06/2024 13:22

If people have actually marketable skills why apply for a minimum wage role? If no one applied for it at that pay they would have to offer more.

LadyFeatheringt0n · 28/06/2024 13:21

Emiliaswrath

The fact that some employers will ask for experience doesn't change that this is considered an unskilled job.

The experience and skills required are basic - that experience could be obtained in a very short space of time.

Motnight · 28/06/2024 12:54

LadyFeatheringt0n · 28/06/2024 08:57

Band 2 are unskilled jobs requiring no qualifications or experience, its not really surprising they are only paid minimum wage.

That's not true.

Emiliaswrath · 28/06/2024 11:05

LadyFeatheringt0n · 28/06/2024 08:57

Band 2 are unskilled jobs requiring no qualifications or experience, its not really surprising they are only paid minimum wage.

Not true, this is a band 2 job advert

AIBU to think a potential 2% pay rise for the NHS staff is ridiculous?
LadyFeatheringt0n · 28/06/2024 10:06

I used to work in an industry where burnt out big 4 members would frequently move to. If you think anyone in big 4 actually takes their annual leave or that big 4 is a typical private sector employee I have a bridge to sell you.

I am ex big 4 and work with loads of big 4. They take their annual leave?!! I always took mine and you could buy extra days too.

LadyFeatheringt0n · 28/06/2024 08:57

Band 2 are unskilled jobs requiring no qualifications or experience, its not really surprising they are only paid minimum wage.

makeanddo · 28/06/2024 08:53

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socks1107 · 28/06/2024 08:02

I get the enhanced annual leave and whilst I've had school age children it's one of the reasons I've stayed
I'm not clinical but I am trained in my career and could work privately in many sectors. The leave is generous and well deserved in my opinion

Motnight · 28/06/2024 07:21

Marvelous! Let's all discuss the appallingness of NHS staff, we're doing the Torie's job for them.

Blushingm · 28/06/2024 06:17

usernother · 30/04/2024 10:53

@innerdesign it's really not. I'm quoting my friend who works for the nhs who tells me that she gets 33 days plus bank holiday entitlement that can't always be taken on a bank holiday, but can be taken at another time. That means 41 days off a year. If I say it's 33 days compared to 20 or 41 compared to 28 it's still a massive difference. Don't you agree that nhs staff really generous leave? Even if I don't work there, I'm entitled to say that I think it's generous and staff are lucky to have it.

That's after 10 Years service 33 plus bank holidays

You can't say it's 41 days AL and compare it to elsewhere when bank holidays are non work days.......

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