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To feel so sad about what happened to our town?

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AbstractThought · 26/04/2024 16:05

I wasn't born here, DH was, and I have seen it discussed on MN in the past. I am aware that many towns across the UK are in a similar situation, so this probably isn't anything special, but since most people talk about shop closures I wanted to look at it from a different angle.

In the past decade we have a ton more issues in the town than previously, often relating to homelessness and addiction, and the town centre, what's left of it, has become completely over run by these problems with groups of people fighting and street drinking. A lot of these people are in extreme difficulty, whether mental health related and/or drug issues. Crime shot through the roof, and even about 8 streets away from this it spills outwards to us in what was once a fairly quiet place to live.
We now have a constant stream of siren noise, day and night, helicopters are daily and whilst we personally haven't felt in any actual danger there is a horrible sense of decay and hopelessness. Just nipping to the closest supermarket is depressing, there are a lot of neglected animals and people having meltdowns in the streets.

It is how it changed so quickly though. I can't get my head around where it all started or why. I am aware of the contribution of politics, covid, all of that stuff, but it seems so incredibly extreme. The siren noise is the worst, it is piercing and never seems to end. This also seemed to explode around the same time as the area went downhill. Probably a mix of police and emergency vehicles. It is difficult to work or relax at home and if you are a light sleeper it can have an impact there too.

What I am wondering is if this is commonplace now, in what was once a thriving town? It is the sheer amount of troubled people which seems to have escalated the most, and I can't get my head around how this has evolved, in such a short space of time. It is like they weren't here, then suddenly appeared, it is difficult to describe it. Obviously the council can't do a great deal to help and I have no idea what the answer is. The most upsetting thing is that a lot of these people are so messed up that they can barely talk in a way that is decipherable. This includes children, and there is a growing amount of people who have barely any teeth. This is a fucking severe problem and I have no idea what will help it. We have mucked in with a few local charities but it barely scratches the surface in my opinion.
We are moving due to work relocation soon, so whilst it may not be 'our' problem after we have gone, this isn't the point. I am just so sorry that it has come to this, in likely even more places than just here. WTF happened??

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AbstractThought · 27/04/2024 00:02

i found 'jobbie catchers' btw!

To feel so sad about what happened to our town?
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AbstractThought · 27/04/2024 00:00

fuck's sake, my life was good, things felt hopeful. I was young. If you want it to be about tony blair, I wont stop you Grin

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VerinMathwin · 26/04/2024 23:57

AbstractThought · 26/04/2024 23:48

My comment about being happy/excited in the 90's had nothing whatsoever to do with politics. Sorry!

You might think that...

AbstractThought · 26/04/2024 23:53

what's a jobbie catcher? Grin

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BathshebaEverdene1 · 26/04/2024 23:53

My local towns are full of young men wearing jobbie catchers that can barely speak.
One town is heroin the other is spice.

AbstractThought · 26/04/2024 23:48

VerinMathwin · 26/04/2024 23:46

WTF happened in the late 90s? Tony Blair and Gordon Brown are what happened. Almost everything they did has had disastrous long term consequences for the UK and the Blair-lite Tories have just continued it.

My comment about being happy/excited in the 90's had nothing whatsoever to do with politics. Sorry!

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VerinMathwin · 26/04/2024 23:46

AbstractThought · 26/04/2024 23:22

There's truth in this. When the bar is set so low, having a lifelong mortgage feels like a birthday present. There does seem to be a preoccupation (maybe in the media most of all, or comment forums such as the Guardian) with surveying those less fortunate to make oneself feel better. It could border on a national obsession. I think it's likely caused by a vague sense of insecurity and fear. If there are so many people lower down the ladder than you, you must be doing ok!
I recall feeling really excited about the future in the late 90's, WTF happened?

Ahem, apart from me reaching middle age Grin..

I don't think the people in my OP are voting to be honest. They are what the media would call the underclass. Perhaps society needs an underclass so as to keep morale high in the rung just above.

WTF happened in the late 90s? Tony Blair and Gordon Brown are what happened. Almost everything they did has had disastrous long term consequences for the UK and the Blair-lite Tories have just continued it.

HelloGoodby · 26/04/2024 23:39

@CatamaranViper thank you! I must admit that since the library was updated I’ve not been back. I use to go to a lovely vegetarian shop/ cafe back in the day.
Do like the new library, but I do get asked for money regularly if I alight bus at John Dobson street. So I now alight at Eldon Sq.
Because it unnerves me.

ShoveItUpYourArseMargaret · 26/04/2024 23:38

•County lines
•Depleted mental health support
•Crappy Tory education system
etc etc

Lagoony · 26/04/2024 23:38

It's also worth noting that the cost of living crisis has effectively been ongoing for at least 10 years, but has only been discussed recently because it's starting to really bite the middle classes.
They're more listened to and more likely to voice their objection in the first place.
Similar thing with immigration. It's been an issue for many years and the bad handling of mass immigration has ruined a lot of communities, but until now you'd be branded as a racist for bringing it up. Back when it used to only be poor estates where councils housed immugrants, now that the problem has grown large enough to affect the middle class, is it being taken seriously.

CatamaranViper · 26/04/2024 23:27

AbstractThought · 26/04/2024 22:01

@CatamaranViper The 'this is our town' mentality never struck me as a particularly middle class sentiment. It depends on what levels of insularity we are talking about here - not a typical MC trait. We might be talking about two different things though !

May not be the same everywhere, I can only talk about my town.

AbstractThought · 26/04/2024 23:26

Teentrauma · 26/04/2024 23:14

Not a town, but the nice London suburb I grew up in has literally gone to the dogs the last couple of years. I once never saw myself leaving here but now we can't wait to escape. My adult son describes it as "an absolute shit hole". He's not wrong.

Surprisingly a lot of these bad areas further north have inexplicably expensive housing. Some of the newly knocked up apartments and homes in the north of England are now rubbing shoulders, price-wise, with London. You might get a larger property in the north but no solid guarantee of it nesting in a decent area.

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CatamaranViper · 26/04/2024 23:26

HelloGoodby · 26/04/2024 22:28

Can I ask where the square built in the 70’s will be? Please.
I still enjoy a visit to Newcastle, enjoy Grainger market.
Durham city is a disgrace, but the cathedral is still beautiful.

The street food area is going to be outside the library in princess square. It'll be like Edinburgh street food which is amazing. I actually think it'll be really good for the area as at the moment it's home to a bunch of druggies doing deals in broad daylight

MariaLuna · 26/04/2024 23:25

You have a vote.

Use it.

AbstractThought · 26/04/2024 23:22

Lagoony · 26/04/2024 22:50

People are genuinely working mad hours for what is very shit pay and believing that they're so high and mighty because they're not roaming the streets with no teeth.
I mean really, this country is an absolute shadow of what it was only a couple of decades ago.

There's truth in this. When the bar is set so low, having a lifelong mortgage feels like a birthday present. There does seem to be a preoccupation (maybe in the media most of all, or comment forums such as the Guardian) with surveying those less fortunate to make oneself feel better. It could border on a national obsession. I think it's likely caused by a vague sense of insecurity and fear. If there are so many people lower down the ladder than you, you must be doing ok!
I recall feeling really excited about the future in the late 90's, WTF happened?

Ahem, apart from me reaching middle age Grin..

I don't think the people in my OP are voting to be honest. They are what the media would call the underclass. Perhaps society needs an underclass so as to keep morale high in the rung just above.

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Teentrauma · 26/04/2024 23:14

Not a town, but the nice London suburb I grew up in has literally gone to the dogs the last couple of years. I once never saw myself leaving here but now we can't wait to escape. My adult son describes it as "an absolute shit hole". He's not wrong.

Lagoony · 26/04/2024 23:13

Elephantswillnever · 26/04/2024 23:04

I do think the teeth/ unintelligible language is due to drugs. The local town square where I work has a group that congregate in the main square. It’s a real shame as it used to be quite a tourist town.

Yes but no one really picks up crack and heroin one day for a laugh when their life is all peachy.
Generally the people who become drug addled are from extremely traumatic/ impoverished backgrounds/ ex care/ been abused etc etc. A smaller proportion are rich kids that thought they were clever abusing drugs but their parents usually bail them out of the lifestyle with private medical care.

grapeomelette · 26/04/2024 23:10

There are many towns in France and Spain with the same problem, so the root cause goes beyond just politics.

Elephantswillnever · 26/04/2024 23:04

I do think the teeth/ unintelligible language is due to drugs. The local town square where I work has a group that congregate in the main square. It’s a real shame as it used to be quite a tourist town.

WaitingforCheese · 26/04/2024 22:58

i live in a town in the NE, you probably would be surprised to know it was one of the most profitable in the country until recently because of the huge catchment of shoppers.
It’s still busy but there’s nothing left, not because people don’t want to come and spend money. But because companies in London buy all the buildings and would rather see them empty than reduce their massive rents.
The government could do something, but they won’t. There should be an empty shop policy of some sort to force down rents and get units filled.

LutonBeds · 26/04/2024 22:58

AbstractThought · 26/04/2024 22:05

my aunt loved her Southport M&S. she'll be sad if it's closed down. if youre looking for a slanging match you'll just have to go and play with your own tits Cake

I go to Southport often, the M&S is still open!

Garlicnaan · 26/04/2024 22:54

I live in a city, and the smell of skunk, drug dealing, sirens, random mentally ill people kicking off, homelessness etc have been an "issue" since I moved here more than 25 years ago. Definitely more visible homeless people now, and also loads of antisocial electric scooter and bike riders. I don't think it's remarkably worse,but maybe it wasn't great to start with!

Lagoony · 26/04/2024 22:50

People are genuinely working mad hours for what is very shit pay and believing that they're so high and mighty because they're not roaming the streets with no teeth.
I mean really, this country is an absolute shadow of what it was only a couple of decades ago.

MuddlingMackem · 26/04/2024 22:46

It's interesting to note how other towns / cities are going downhill as, after way too long of neglect, our local city is finally looking to be on the up. Our previously useless Labour council are actually going full pelt on redevelopment for leisure / housing / offices / green space, including a new footbridge to link developments north and south of the river. If it all comes off as planned it is going to be really good, and the new businesses so far are developing a buzz for night life.

Despite the empty units and pound shops and losing almost all of the department stores (and the last, M&S, is due to close next month), the city centre doesn't feel that bad, and it definitely doesn't feel unsafe. It's a long time since it was chocka at the shops, but it recovered fairly quickly from Covid as it doesn't currently rely on trade from workers, it's actually the local shopping area for central parts of the city.

Sunderland if anyone is interested in the actual location.

AbstractThought · 26/04/2024 22:34

Lagoony · 26/04/2024 22:32

It's not even the fittest though it's only those who happened to have been born into considerable wealth already that can be used to generate mkrw wealth. Often times they're actually quick thick and or a bit inbred.

Ideally capitalism would at least generate good ideas/ tech but that requires the brightest having some sort of a chance. No one who isn't born into wealth has a chance now. They want you to believe hard work brings wealth but does it fuck.just simply set yourself up to be exploited by inbred wanktards.

a depressingly accurate summary, Lagoony.

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