Clothing in the gym

Of course men are allowed to find women attractive.

But they're not entitled to expect women to dress in a certain way so that they don't have to control their urges.

There is a big difference between looking which most people can’t help and STARING which is a deliberate action

There is a big difference between looking which most people can’t help and STARING which is a deliberate action.

Some women are literally merchandising themselves, though.

No they're sodding not. They're wearing clothes they like wearing. The whole point is that that does not make them public property.

That's literally why these people get so angry about it. If they were dancers in a pop video to decorate some male singer, people wouldn't care. It's precisely because they're choosing to do it, for themselves, on their own terms, without accepting that they're responsible if men behave like pigs in response, that people are so moralistic and enraged about it. Because what you choose to wear doesn't make you bloody merchandise.

I think you make a good point about human curiosity - and the question then where this draws the line to sexualising a person. Also agree men aren't sexualised in the same way.

I do agree with his point in general that some gym wear is just very revealing, but more in the sense in that some of us don't want to see it - in which case we look away. Not stare and blame the person for our staring in a sexual manner when we're commited to someone.

It does show that still, in this day and age, men are putting the responsibility of their ogling, on to women.

On the other side of the coin, some of the more extreme examples of this type of clothing wouldn't be worn by people who don't want to attract attention.

I'm attracted to men, I don't find these (or similar) attractive at all. Just personally. - I don't either, though I am sometimes more curious than I'd allow myself to show 😆

This may not be unconnected to the fact that most men view most women as sex objects for their potential consumption, whereas it's unusual for women to treat male bodies that way.

The guy in the OP clearly does treat female bodies as sexual merchandise, and objects to seeing "the goods in the window" when he's not buying. I don't feel this point of view should be condoned or excused.

I think its best you do leave the discussion, to be honest.
Not understanding (or rather, wilful ignorance of) the purpose of satire which is to illustrate a point, despite it being explained in rather simple terms to you, sort of indicates it's pointless engaging.

You indeed did ask about my genitalia - the moment you asked if I was a man. The gaslighting attempt is feeble.. next you'll be describing how you only wanted to know which chromosomes I had, in actual fact.

Don't think you've answered if you're a man though, funnily enough. Odd you ask questions to posters, that you're not happy to answer yourself. Very telling.

I agree. Best to ignore.

No one asked you about your genitalia. Your insistence on repeating this reeks of fetishisation.

your repeated efforts to prove that they don't indeed show a rectum

They don’t show a rectum.

I suspect you’re getting off on this so I won’t feed it anymore.

See for me, and I'm attracted to men, I don't find these (or similar) attractive at all. Just personally.

A poster upthread asked the question if we would be so offended seeing men at scantily clad. Whilst I wouldn't call it offended, I generally don't like seeing it.

Interesting there is varied opinions on it.

Do fully agree, it's not up to someone else to stop you perving at them, though. What an odd conclusion for the man to draw.

On a topic about sexualised clothing, I don't think using satire to illustrate the point of how overly revealing some clothing has been designed, precisely to be sexualised, is that odd.

I mean, at least I don't go around asking if you have a penis or vagina. Fucking well odd. Can confirm, had these discussions (amongst many other unrelated) in person. Never had a person ask me which I have. Maybe it's normal for you.

I've only ever heard women say midriff. So, your intuition was a bit off in this case. And strange.

Back to the topic at hand. Some women choose to wear this clothing, for exactly the reason it was designed for. I'm suspecting you are the owner of such bumhole showing shorts, in your repeated efforts to prove that they don't indeed show a rectum, and therefore, I must be a man.

Weird, all round.

Exactly. It's coming up to cycling season. My town's on a popular route so, soon, our cafes will be adorned by clusters of wiry men in those shorts. I mean, I notice. You couldn't not! But it'd be extremely rude to stare at their - erm, physiology, and downright creepy of me. So I don't stare.

A fixation on women’s bodies and what they wear is likely to get questioned on a site mainly used by women.

I think it's far more bizarre to ask about which genitalia people own, online, to be honest. It's really intrusive, but then this is normalised on mumsnet for some reason.

Whenever different viewpoints are aired on a discussion, the person in the minority gets accused of being male. Bit predictable at this point.

No, I know what you meant by ‘mid drift’, as I said, it’s not a term I often hear women use, even when spelt correctly.

I’m not a man, and I think your preoccupation with women’s bum holes, to the extent of thinking you can see what the person ate for breakfast, is bizarre.

You're quite right, it's 'midriff'. I didn't even use the term correctly. So I'm not surprised you've not heard it before.

So, are you a man? Since you like to know about other peoples genitalia so much?

They outline the arse cheeks sure, but pretending you can see their bum hole is frankly bizarre.

The shorts are designed so barely anything is left to the imagination - it's literally the point of them. Hardly need to work for M15 to a) understand this, or b) be able to observe everything from a pair of shorts designed to show, well, everything.

It’s not because of your views, it’s your choice of words, like ‘mid drift’, which I never hear women use.

Oh, that came quicker than expected.

Can confirm I own a vulva (and was born female, before the transphobia posts start). Do you? Find that a very intrusive question to have to answer whether I own a vulva or not to be honest.

I imagine so. Men don't typically accuse men of being the opposite gender just because they have a different viewpoint.

MInd you, neither do women. It's just mumsnet people that do.

so far up your backside that you can see what the person ate for breakfast

If you can see through the shorts you should speak to MI5 about being a spy.

Are you a man?

Some women are literally merchandising themselves, though. It's precisely the point of it.

& if they want to, then crack on. But we can't pretend this isn't the case, just so what? - women never appear to want to be ogled at? It's just not the reality. Some do. And it's painfully obvious. Its up to them, if they do. But let's not pretend it doesn't exist.

There is a world of difference between wearing a crop top and a pair of shorts, and wearing those scrunch bum shorts so far up your backside that you can see what the person ate for breakfast. Which is what this guy is on about.

Women can (and do) wear what they want. Some wear whats comfortable. Some do choose certain clothes to look sexy and outline everything including pretty much the bumhole - let's not pretend here. They desperately want people to look.

Find it rather desperate, myself, but hey ho. People can wear what they want.

That being said, complete disagree with the guy in that he's there to work out, it's not hard to just not ogle people, especially when you should be more distracted with your own work out. He's no right to blame women for his perving.

But yes, some clothing just IS designed to accentuate and some is designed to be sexual. If people choose to wear that, they're doing so people look. We're not talking about normal fitting clothes here revealing a mid drift or whatever. We're talking the scrunch bum shorts which ironically, are designed to enhance the appearance of your backside.

Honestly get fed up of fellow women talking as if some women don't do this for attention. Some just DO!

No need to abuse me.

You definitely do 😂

I pole dance and lots of women wear scrunch butt shorts which can be tiny and can be in all sorts of positions and I've never once in my life looked at them and thought OMG anal porn 😂😂