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pinkpepperclove · 24/04/2024 17:01

There seems to be a bit of a grey area at my company when it comes to maternity leave and returning my equipment (Laptop/Phone).

Boss wants it returned - with no explanation why. I am reluctant as it stops me from accessing my payslips, company benefits and more importantly, using for KIT days.

This has been a drawn-out affair which has now got P&O involved (no word from them yet on the official position) however I can't see any policy in place to state I must return it.

Am I within my rights to say I want to keep my equipment for the above reasons (there's no way I can access my payslips outside the company system)

I feel I am a full-time member of staff still and should be treated as such, particularly with KIT days... even common sense says I can't work if everything is returned!

Feeling very put out by it all - I am not prepared to use my personal electronics to carry out work for this company, feels like a level of discrimination when other team members have been able to keep theirs for a whole year for the exact reasons I have given.

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Anameisaname · 26/04/2024 07:27

I work in IT. People on maternity leave with IT equipment are a PITA security wise as they mostly never switch it on and then the machine is not up to date with security updates. If they extend maternity leave then that can be for a long time and the machine is constantly flagged as exception etc. This is then picked up in audit and we are then left trying to contact people to get them to update their machine and they don't want to be contacted or bothered ( understandably). Then they come back to work and it's a mess on the first day trying to get everything up to date, passwords reset etc. Much easier to get them a New machine and start with that.

Payslips etc can be accessed on any machine and incidentally I'd always.have them on a private machine because you don't want to resign or leave and have no payslips. Our company email can be accessed also on personal machine but I know that's not always the case.

So I'd say this is not unusual, if you feel very strongly then I believe you can insist you keep your.machine during your standard mat leave but any AML they are entitled to ask for it back.

pinkpepperclove · 26/04/2024 07:20

Thanks for everyone’s input, I’ve raised all your points and they are getting back to me.

It appears I am a one off case and probably a product of bad management… we are an extremely large business so I think the effort and not to mention the risk to NOT keeping me up to date with payslips/promotions is pretty high… I think the lesser of two evils is to allow me to keep the equipment.

… but man oh man… I had NO idea that this working Mum challenge starts way before the baby is even here! Feels like a battle to be included and common sense/flexibility from day 1, I literally had no idea.

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Wolfpa · 25/04/2024 06:47

The company I work for asks for equipment back, they are constantly upgrading the security so there is a high risk if The equipment is not turned on regularly that it will either become a security risk or incompatible with other systems.

Have you asked about other ways to access your payslips and benefits?

bubblesforbreakfast · 25/04/2024 06:38

They will send you your pauslips through the post. Your benefits tend to roll over at whatever levels you're on until you come back - worth checking that.
When you come back to work you can then select benefits out of the usual window as you've had a "life event" - Ie like you're a new starter.

FriendlyNeighbourhoodAccountant · 25/04/2024 04:47

coxesorangepippin · 25/04/2024 03:03

Her employer can send any internal roles to her personal email address

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Yes, but would they?

If they wanted to stay on the right side of discrimination laws then they'd have to. But either way, these are the adjustments they'd have to put in place if they want their equipment back, which they're entitled to.

coxesorangepippin · 25/04/2024 03:03

Her employer can send any internal roles to her personal email address

^

Yes, but would they?

coxesorangepippin · 25/04/2024 03:01

You also wouldn't see internal promotions/job adverts

FriendlyNeighbourhoodAccountant · 25/04/2024 03:00

Twinkletwinklelil · 24/04/2024 21:14

Hi @pinkpepperclove

firstjy, you should be able to access everything I.e. any internal roles advertised, have some access to payslips etc.
it seems entirely unfair what your boss is doing and he/she may just be very paranoid/incompetent.

speak to ACAS - get advice.
speak to your HR.

it’s likely you won’t even access anything but access should not be taken away, you’re still an employee.

is the issue that the cover for you will need your laptop? Because I’m sure that would breach some data laws.. best thing to do is chat to HR and ACAS.

I had an incompetent manager once upon a time and he had to be educated on a fair few things. You wonder how these people become managers in the first place.

Her employer can send any internal roles to her personal email address, which is a standard adjustment and can provide printed payslips (or sent to personal email also).

What sort of "data breach laws" are you picturing here? The phone and laptop are company property so there should be none of the OP's personal data on it anyway, but the company can give the laptop to another employee if they wish.

Runnerinthenight · 24/04/2024 23:37

pinkpepperclove · 24/04/2024 18:19

Nope - every person who I have asked were all allowed to keep theirs!

Interesting about long term sick... I don't know of that happening either.

Do a little digging!

Twinkletwinklelil · 24/04/2024 21:14

Hi @pinkpepperclove

firstjy, you should be able to access everything I.e. any internal roles advertised, have some access to payslips etc.
it seems entirely unfair what your boss is doing and he/she may just be very paranoid/incompetent.

speak to ACAS - get advice.
speak to your HR.

it’s likely you won’t even access anything but access should not be taken away, you’re still an employee.

is the issue that the cover for you will need your laptop? Because I’m sure that would breach some data laws.. best thing to do is chat to HR and ACAS.

I had an incompetent manager once upon a time and he had to be educated on a fair few things. You wonder how these people become managers in the first place.

TeenLifeMum · 24/04/2024 18:25

We ask for equipment while on maternity. We have to pay for equipment (including phones and laptops) out of dept budget. When someone is on maternity their mat cover needs equipment so they use the laptop and phone of the person on maternity leave. It’s role equipment rather than individual’s equipment.

we can access pay slips on an app though and Kit days you’d be provided with a generic laptop that the organisation uses for interviews or emergencies if someone breaks and there’s a gap purchasing.

pinkpepperclove · 24/04/2024 18:20

ConfusedGin · 24/04/2024 18:03

Not HR but preparing for someone about to go on mat leave in my team.

IT have agreed to her keeping her laptop. Everyone else I know has handed it back in though.

I, however, have asked she hands her work mobile phone back so that we can make sure her cover can pick up any calls. That's more for continuity and safeguarding, as well as it being of no benefit to her whilst on leave.

Our phones and laptops are connected - you need the phone to authenticate access to the laptop email (security thing)

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pinkpepperclove · 24/04/2024 18:19

Runnerinthenight · 24/04/2024 17:34

Have they taken laptops from anyone else while out on maternity? Do they take them from someone off on long-term sick?

Nope - every person who I have asked were all allowed to keep theirs!

Interesting about long term sick... I don't know of that happening either.

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Crazycrazylady · 24/04/2024 18:10

Our company always looked for it back citing security reasons .

ConfusedGin · 24/04/2024 18:03

Not HR but preparing for someone about to go on mat leave in my team.

IT have agreed to her keeping her laptop. Everyone else I know has handed it back in though.

I, however, have asked she hands her work mobile phone back so that we can make sure her cover can pick up any calls. That's more for continuity and safeguarding, as well as it being of no benefit to her whilst on leave.

Runnerinthenight · 24/04/2024 17:34

Have they taken laptops from anyone else while out on maternity? Do they take them from someone off on long-term sick?

ToxicChristmas · 24/04/2024 17:31

Do you work from home OP? Or hybrid?

Scirocco · 24/04/2024 17:29

I gave my work laptop to the person covering my mat leave to use while I was on leave. I got a better one when I came back. However , I didn't need it to do anything while I was on leave, so the situation was a bit different.

pinkpepperclove · 24/04/2024 17:28

ExtraOnions · 24/04/2024 17:21

I’ve known company’s take kit back, for Information Security issues. If your kit isn’t regularly being used it can miss critical updates.

At the end of the day it’s not your kit, it belongs to the company. As a company asset, they can decide where it is best kept.

However, they need to ensure that you do not miss out on any information you may need, whilst you are off.

Do not conflate the two things

Totally agree on the company owning the property - I wouldn't contest that. The why is probably what we are missing

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pinkpepperclove · 24/04/2024 17:27

ToxicChristmas · 24/04/2024 17:22

I worked in HR for years and never came across this. They legally have to provide you with payslips, so they need to find a solution to that for starters. Do they want to give your equipment to your maternity cover? What is the actual reason given for wanting the return? Or are they just sticking to "we need it back"? With no policy in place regarding this and with you not being able to access KIT days and benefits plus payslips, I would say you will end up winning this one.
As a now business owner, I wouldn't ask an employee to return their equipment for maternity leave.

Thank you for your insight - I have had very similar thoughts. Good to know it's not a typical request.

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pinkpepperclove · 24/04/2024 17:25

FriendlyNeighbourhoodAccountant · 24/04/2024 17:17

What benefits will you lose access to?

As above, if you can't access payslips they will have to send you copies each month.

In terms of KIT days I believe the company has to also agree to you using these, I don't think the employee can unilaterally decide they're using them. Is it possible they don't want you using KIT days and therefore won't need your equipment for that period?

What does that say about a company that is already putting those boundaries in place before they have even happened? (Not a challenge to you)

Just think it doesn't feel very inclusive what will be a working mother. Does mutual decision mean nothing? Also, he could well not want me to do them which is WHOLE other issue in itself.

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ToxicChristmas · 24/04/2024 17:22

I worked in HR for years and never came across this. They legally have to provide you with payslips, so they need to find a solution to that for starters. Do they want to give your equipment to your maternity cover? What is the actual reason given for wanting the return? Or are they just sticking to "we need it back"? With no policy in place regarding this and with you not being able to access KIT days and benefits plus payslips, I would say you will end up winning this one.
As a now business owner, I wouldn't ask an employee to return their equipment for maternity leave.

ExtraOnions · 24/04/2024 17:21

I’ve known company’s take kit back, for Information Security issues. If your kit isn’t regularly being used it can miss critical updates.

At the end of the day it’s not your kit, it belongs to the company. As a company asset, they can decide where it is best kept.

However, they need to ensure that you do not miss out on any information you may need, whilst you are off.

Do not conflate the two things

TheSnowyOwl · 24/04/2024 17:20

Do you have a wfh contract? If not, it’s reasonable for them to expect you to go into the office to access the benefits and information you require.

They can post you payslips and you need to agree KIT with your manager.