Male Nursery Staff

You now sound like you're complaining women spend more time doing childcare?

Dogs and lions are both dangerous and I wouldn't leave a child alone with either... (although I would think the dog is more likely to attack the child unprovoked)

that is because it depends what study you look at. it ranges between ,80-98%. 95-98% being the most common

Well yes. That's why I said I'd significantly lowered the risk not eradicated it.

If you recognise the risk there though you should recognise how bonkers it is to increase that risk with multiple unknown males.

Some of my friends chose to only have mum change the nappy for a number of reasons safeguarding included. That's fine.

Some home educate to lower that risk. Again their choice.

At no point did I, or anyone say that risk assessment has to end in no risk. But low risk is the aim and males commit most sex offences. By limiting how many males provide intimate care you automatically lower that risk. No it's not zero, women can abuse. It's much lower numbers though so it's what I deem an acceptable amount of risk for the benefit of nursery in a verbal child.

This is a combination of me using national statistics to support my decision, personal circumstances and preferences. It's not the only way.

Obviously you can send your child to a nursery that employs numerous men. But statistically your child will be less safe than mine. That doesn't mean something will happen. It just means it's more likely.

All the wishy feels in the world aren't going to change the facts.
You do you though.

I agree. It frustrating but more than that, it's really concerning that people genuinely think women pose as much risk as men. men commit sexual violence 1900% more than women. but I think we have explained it in every way possible and people still think it's discrimination to not want men working with babies. I don't know if it's wilful misunderstanding...but WHY?

Which is not to say women are to dogs as men are to lions but that there is a risk of all humans hurting children but it's the ones who spend the most time with them who are more likely to harm them. What's remarkable is when that doesn't fit the pattern, with csa.

He broke my waters. He seemed a nice man to us and actually started my labour better than the female midwives did.

Which tells you entirely about how much time women spend as mothers, childcare workers and paediatric nurses compared to men.

More children are killed by dogs than lions. Who would you rather leave your kid in a room with?

the stats that you report here, don't support your assertions

nursery staff are 'someone that they know'

the rest of the figures don't address sex of abuser. but it makes total sense that the very rare sexual abuse in nurseries would be committed by females, because as you say, staff are overwhelmingly female. if you had more male staff then abuse numbers would increase. and if staff were 50/50 Mae/female then you would see 95% of abuse would be carried out by male staff. if staff were male then your abuse numbers would increase 1900%

(what is the source of your information? I tend to mistrust studies if the conclusions are prefaced by 'FACT', it tends to indicate none scientific)

Statistically a child is more likely to die at the hands of a woman than a man...

And lots of the time that woman is either their mother or a nurse...

But please keep saying women are safer for children to be around

That is what wives of many peadophiles thought too.

Anyway, life invades. I'll leave you to it.

Oh, for crying out loud, those resources are only collated by a source you consider biased, did you read those studies?

Have you verified your sources thoroughly is the site non biased or does it have a view to promote?

Spamming with statistics? Bastard numbers and truth and reality 😁😁😁

I do agree though that the reasonable solution is for the op to move her child.

You can spam the thread with statistics all you like, it doesn't change the fact that it is discrimination to discriminate against nursery workers /teachers based just on their sex.
If you don't want your kids around men, move nurseries or school.

And access to females when you look at the hideous male behaviour happening towards them in these war torn situations.

@Desecratedcoconut is right. Obviously! You just have to look - not only at UK statistics, but statistics around the globe. It’s the same across Europe, Australia, America - men are more likely to commit rape, abuse and murder. Far more likely.
Finding exceptions/anecdotal evidence doesn’t disprove this fact. Women are capable of doing awful things too - but it’s men who are overwhelmingly the main perpetrators.

And from this BBC Science article a reason could be because because:
“Evolutionary psychologists, however, would say that it has more to do with our evolved sex differences and the fact that males have historically competed for status and access to females.”
Which - if you look at the very male dominated situation in the Middle East right now, is exactly what is happening. It’s males competing for status.

It was the first time a national census was run asking specific questions of adults and their abuse as a child, see crime survey England and Wales 2016.

Yes, I am aware that women, as I said in an earlier post, are capable of physical and emotional abuse. And, given the prominent role women play is raising children, that rates of offending in this area is high. The risk men pose as a class is far higher in respect of sexual abuse and no less high in physical and emotional abuse. They're a riskier bet on aggregate.

That was a bloody appalling case and you do have to wonder about how a culture of casual cruelty can emerge like that. I'd like to know more about that. But as it pertains to sex and risk, I'm not sure it does. But I'd happily look at anything you have that suggests otherwise.

Have you looked at the whole range of abuse and into whistleblowing the number of young employees too scared to speak up for fear of loosing jobs or apprenticeships..in the baby being tide face down to a bean bag and dying staff didn't intervene the perpetrator was a manager with many years experience staff had seen her do it before and said she had taken against the child ...but stood by and silent until the lo died and it came to court.
Do you not think this is more about the power of the women in control dominating her staff?
We know women can be bitches a nursery is no different.
I think figures are much higher than we know.

@statetrooperstacey
"... the set up of the nursery was such that no one was ever alone/ out of sight with the children. The only area that was through a closed door was the toilets and nappy changing area and we had a camera there."

I would be more concerned about why there was a camera in the toilet/nappy change area behind a closed door.

My statistical curiosity is showing. What happened in 2016 that was as profound as the me too campaign?

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Me Too Radically changed reporting but OK

That fact check says you can't be sure, you can make an assumption but there's no proof it's to do with self identification

Your prejudice is showing

So, one big case in 2016, so remarkably different that it is a catalyst for mass disclosure? But which didn't happen in 2009 after the mass reporting of Vanessa George?