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Male Nursery Staff

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herei · 24/04/2024 15:59

My child is in Nursery after my return to work. They nursery chain have been hiring make staff recently. My child's nursery has 3 male staff.

My daughter's nappy was changed by a male member of staff. For my own personal reasons I feel upset about this but not sure if I can even say or do anything. I just don't like it.

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Desecratedcoconut · 24/04/2024 19:37

Marblessolveeverything · 24/04/2024 19:32

@Desecratedcoconut and so my feelings are not valid? I think you will find they are. How dare you try to belittle someone for their feelings.

Oh, I do it all the time. Especially when emotional incontinence looks like emotional blackmail.

CoralReader · 24/04/2024 19:35

GoodAfternoonGoodEveningAndGoodnight · 24/04/2024 19:33

Men caring for and looking after children is strange?
Why?

She is probably the person who when her husband spends 10 minutes away from the kids goes on mumsnet and calls him lazy and ignorant.

GoodAfternoonGoodEveningAndGoodnight · 24/04/2024 19:33

Dolly567 · 24/04/2024 17:38

I'm sorry but it's strange.
Not a chance.

Men caring for and looking after children is strange?
Why?

CoatRack · 24/04/2024 19:33

QueenCamilla · 24/04/2024 18:54

@CoatRack

Speak for yourself. I don't want any man "attempting childcare". No fucking thanks.

And when it comes to my own child (rather than some force-fed theoretical collection of ideas that tend to corrupt sanity these days ) I did indeed choose not to send my DS to a particular nursery after spotting two male workers who, to make matters worse, looked still in their teens sort of young. I wouldn't hire a male nanny or anyone that young- I can't see why would I make a different decision when it comes to choosing a nursery.

I was groomed and sexually abused by a male teacher/tutor at 10 years of age. Taking away the opportunity from predators to do similar to my child, has been a cornerstone of my parenting. There is no ideology in this world that would make me ashamed of it. None.

As long as you accept your misandry for what it is, you can think whatever you like.

herei · 24/04/2024 19:32

There is another male who I've spoken to in the nursery and actually I don't seem to have an issue with him. But the one who actually changed her nappy gives creepy vibes. I've seen him walking around, I've found him on social media and I don't understand how he ended up in childcare looking at his linked in. He looks creepy honestly

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Marblessolveeverything · 24/04/2024 19:32

@Desecratedcoconut and so my feelings are not valid? I think you will find they are. How dare you try to belittle someone for their feelings.

ilovesooty · 24/04/2024 19:31

I think the DfE ruled several years ago that nurseries should not accede to parental requests that only females should change nappies in nursery settings.

Coasters4Life · 24/04/2024 19:28

herei · 24/04/2024 19:02

Has anyone who's worked in a nursery know if I can request this.

You can't request this. Maybe you should look at childminders instead? We use a cm and she is brilliant, her staff are her adult daughters, she has a good number of children there and they don't go out. She has set up a mini family run nursery style care in her house, she's great.

Unfortunately though, you accept risk when you leave your children with anyone, look at the recent case of the woman who killed the little baby by strapping her face down on a bean bag. No one is 100% safe, statistically your dh is more likely to abuse your daughter than a nursery worker. It's a really scary shit world sometimes.

TitanTins · 24/04/2024 19:27

@GoodAfternoonGoodEveningAndGoodnight

Do you think women should/shouldn’t have the right to choose a female doctor? Is it regressive to give that choice?

DeepRegret · 24/04/2024 19:27

BodyKeepingScore · 24/04/2024 19:21

@DeepRegret my parents knew my uncle for "years and years" didn't stop him from abusing me...

Yes I realise that. That's why I have minimised the risk as much as practically possible.

I realise the risk is not zero. It's significantly lower than someone who has multiple males providing intimate care.

GoodAfternoonGoodEveningAndGoodnight · 24/04/2024 19:23

YABVU
Has he done anything to make you wary, or is it just the fact he's a man you don't like?
It sounds the latter so YABVU if so
It's backwards, regressive stereotypical attitudes like this that keep women in the kitchen doing the cooking, cleaning and caring roles, whereas the men are to do the "big man," work instead of being perfectly capable of being caring for children too.

BodyKeepingScore · 24/04/2024 19:21

@DeepRegret my parents knew my uncle for "years and years" didn't stop him from abusing me...

Thehop · 24/04/2024 19:19

We have a male member of staff at nursery and the children LOVE it!!! We're in a very derives area and so many of our children have never seen a man read a book. It's really important for so many of them.

nappy changes in nurseries are not performed in private, and a nappy changing log is kept.

TitanTins · 24/04/2024 19:19

@Marblessolveeverything

I do understand what you are saying, but until there is equality or ideally - complete eradication - of these types of crimes being committed against children, there will be - very sadly - these reservations.

It’s statistically - and overwhelmingly - men who commit these type of crimes.

Desecratedcoconut · 24/04/2024 19:17

This is a lot like that rule about misogyny...the worst thing about misogyny is that it makes other men look bad? It seems male sexual violence seems to follow the pattern

DeepRegret · 24/04/2024 19:16

CoralReader · 24/04/2024 19:11

You trust your husband as much as a female stranger?

No I trust my husband and have taken steps so I know the risk from female strangers is minimised.

As I said. The risk is not zero. I am happy I have lowered the risk to make it unlikely.

And honestly, crbs means nothing. No I wouldn't trust a crb to catch the wrong uns.

I don't feel the need to fawn over men who work with children though. When women do it, it's just a job so I'm not going to be sad if men are not worshipped for it.

PuttingDownRoots · 24/04/2024 19:15

You either trust the nursery or you don't
If don't trust a staff member, you don't trust the nursery

BirtyDird · 24/04/2024 19:14

@Marblessolveeverything I'm raising a son and it's depressing reading some of these comments.

Desecratedcoconut · 24/04/2024 19:14

Marblessolveeverything · 24/04/2024 19:13

In our jurisdiction you couldn't as it is protected under equality legislation. As a SA survivor I do understand but I am a mother to two wonderful sons and I am crying reading the vile discrimination if they chose to have a career with children.

I kindly suggest you all engage with support. Because there are some of you who will raise sons and they deserve to be treated equally.

I hope you secure a solution @herei .

Oh Jesus, I'll raise you three boys and I'm not crying about statistics.

Marblessolveeverything · 24/04/2024 19:13

In our jurisdiction you couldn't as it is protected under equality legislation. As a SA survivor I do understand but I am a mother to two wonderful sons and I am crying reading the vile discrimination if they chose to have a career with children.

I kindly suggest you all engage with support. Because there are some of you who will raise sons and they deserve to be treated equally.

I hope you secure a solution @herei .

CoralReader · 24/04/2024 19:11

DeepRegret · 24/04/2024 19:10

Well no, mainly because he's my actual partner I've known for years and years and I can trust him as much as anyone. Certainly as much as a female stranger.

I didn't say the risk was zero. I lowered the risk to an acceptable rate. No other male in my family or anywhere else changes a nappy so the risk is brought down to an acceptable level for me, personally.

It's fine if you believe differently. We all make different choices using the information we have.

You trust your husband as much as a female stranger?

DeepRegret · 24/04/2024 19:10

BodyKeepingScore · 24/04/2024 19:05

You wouldn't be happy with males providing childcare for your child yet your DP has a "proven track record of working with children" presumably those parents didn't have the same reservations you do then. Tad hypocritical that it's ok for your partner to work with children but not other men...

Well no, mainly because he's my actual partner I've known for years and years and I can trust him as much as anyone. Certainly as much as a female stranger.

I didn't say the risk was zero. I lowered the risk to an acceptable rate. No other male in my family or anywhere else changes a nappy so the risk is brought down to an acceptable level for me, personally.

It's fine if you believe differently. We all make different choices using the information we have.

CoralReader · 24/04/2024 19:09

Desecratedcoconut · 24/04/2024 18:58

The fact that 98% of the early years childcare workforce is female and you have to go back to 2009 to find female sex abuser Vanessa George and that 2% of the workforce is male and in the shortest Google search ever I can give you a Burton man in October 2023 should tell you something about sex, child sex crimes and the risk of offending.

Edited

I’m not saying women commit more sexual abuse I’m just saying that it’s not only men. There are lots of men and women I wouldn’t be comfortable leaving my kids with

https://www.westyorkshire.police.uk/news-appeals/woman-jailed-nine-years-child-sexual-abuse

Woman Jailed for Nine years for Child Sexual Abuse

Friday, January 19, 2024

https://www.westyorkshire.police.uk/news-appeals/woman-jailed-nine-years-child-sexual-abuse

TitanTins · 24/04/2024 19:08

@herei

I think just have a word with a member of staff, or ring them up. I think just as @Starabella states : you can request a female doctor as an adult, so you’d like to make similar request for female nappy changer for DD as a child.
Having worked in a nursery, we’d definitely accommodate specific parental requests with nappy changing.

PostItInABook · 24/04/2024 19:08

Your kids are statistically more likely to be abused by the bloke you share your bed with. If you freak out about a male in a nursery or a hospital or a classroom…….Why bother with fathers for your children? That’s the greatest risk, so just get some sperm down the bank and be done with it.