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To be disappointed about the book?

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AnnaSewell · 24/04/2024 01:14

My daughter is in her mid-twenties. For Xmas she bought me a slim paperback book. I thought at the time it was a fairly modest gift but thanked her and put it on one side.

This evening I picked it up to read. I found she had omitted to rub out the pencil price put in at the charity shop. The book had cost £2.49.

I would like to have been worth a tenner.

OP posts:
Tigersonvaseline · 28/04/2024 18:19

Op I think your over thinking this and you enjoyed the book.
I've got absolutely no issues with second hand stuff at all.
I wouldn't add up what I spend on my dc either compared to what they send on me.
They are our children, they didn't ask to be brought into thud world and they owe us no favours.

Having said that, I would be a teeny bit hurt myself! Especially if child was earning good money but unfortunately often young people don't think...

Some people do seem crap with presents. My dc are only young but the difference between the two! My younger one 10, loves buying gifts and immediately gets thoughtful gifts (via us either in shop or amazon), absolutely nothing expensive at all but she got me a very thoughtful little gift for 5 pounds for Xmas.
The other one! She doesn't plan bday gifts doe anyone, not even her friends! She'll say feebly at the very last minute mum can you run me to fhe shops!

So op I would feel hurt however, maybe shes not good at gifts and.... As I Saif don't add up what you spend on her it's natural for parents to splash out more on their dc

SpidersAreShitheads · 28/04/2024 18:17

Toomanyemails · 28/04/2024 18:12

Did she explain why she'd chosen it for you? Was it a very different level of gift to what she got other family members? Had you spoken about gifts beforehand? How is your relationship otherwise? Different people have very different approaches to gift giving. I find it really, really weird to have fixed expectations on gifts, like "if you earn £40k, gifts should be £10+"
I think yanbu to be upset barring any other specific context (eg. She bought her MIL a lavish gift, or you feel more generally that she doesn't make effort for you while you do loads for her, or you did secret Santa as a family with a £50 gift limit - if something like that is true, I see your point)

There's a huge back story. See OP previous posts.

LT1982 · 28/04/2024 18:16

easylikeasundaymorn · 28/04/2024 12:07

In which case the daughter should have mentioned this to her mother before christmas, either saying 'can we not do presents/only do small presents this year, I'm struggling for money,' or, if she was completely broke, even asking her mother to give her money for Christmas rather than a present.

Also OP has said she is low-waged while her dd has a professional salary, so no reason why dd couldn't actually have more disposable income than OP!

If you aren't materialistic and don't think the amount is what matters when exchanging presents, or care too much about the environment to buy things that aren't necessary, then once you're an adult you should make this clear to your family before Christmas. 'Let's not do presents this year, let's just enjoy spending time together.' Or 'Shall we just do small presents this year given the cost of living?'

Buying something incredibly cheap for someone else but then happily accepting a present worth approx 32x more is not being frugal or caring, it's being cheeky and tight!

In this case, the DD not only didn't say beforehand that they shouldn't exchange expensive presents, but didn't say anything afterwards when she realised her mother had spent much more on her. Anyone with basic decency would have been mortified and said "Oh mum you shouldn't have spent so much on me" etc.

Which shows the DD DOES like nice things, and values expensive gifts when they are for her, just doesn't think she should reciprocate. Which is less indicative of a thoughtful, caring, non-materialistic person, than of a selfish, tight one!

The daughter doesn't "need" to mention or explain anything. The OP needs to stop either entitled and spoilt

Toomanyemails · 28/04/2024 18:12

AnnaSewell · 27/04/2024 08:37

Daughter has a salary of approx £40,000. Doesn't drive. Hardly drinks alcohol. V unlikely on basis of general/past behaviour to be overdrawn paying off credit card bills. Couple of trips abroad each year. Eats out at restaurants a couple of times a month.

I am, in relative terms, more green in that I get a lot of clothing secondhand and mainly get books from libraries and charity shops. So new items are a treat.

The book was enjoyable in its way - though not a real 'discovery'

Did she explain why she'd chosen it for you? Was it a very different level of gift to what she got other family members? Had you spoken about gifts beforehand? How is your relationship otherwise? Different people have very different approaches to gift giving. I find it really, really weird to have fixed expectations on gifts, like "if you earn £40k, gifts should be £10+"
I think yanbu to be upset barring any other specific context (eg. She bought her MIL a lavish gift, or you feel more generally that she doesn't make effort for you while you do loads for her, or you did secret Santa as a family with a £50 gift limit - if something like that is true, I see your point)

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 28/04/2024 18:12

thepastinsidethepresent · 28/04/2024 14:07

Just because you want to race to the bottom doesn't mean others have to join you there.

How is it a race to the bottom to not be offended by the wrong piece of cardboard, or a lack of one?

My MIL once bought DH and I an anniversary card without realising it was for Mrs & Mrs. We killed ourselves laughing over it. We certainly weren't offended that she had misread it. She liked the picture and bought the card without paying attention to the words. It happens. Doesn't mean she doesn't value us. That gets shown in a different way, not through a piece of cardboard or the price of a gift.

Once I made FIL a cake for Father's Day because DH couldn't think of what to buy him and he loves cake. He was over the moon. The ingredients don't cost much (and I can make all his favourites with my eyes shut), but we definitely value him.

chaosmaker · 28/04/2024 18:09

easylikeasundaymorn · 28/04/2024 16:08

do you not see the difference?

You and your partner BUY THE SAME THING having MUTUALLY AGREED it's what you both want. You don't buy your partner a £5 charity shop book then expect him to buy you a £160 brand new handbag, which is what the price difference is here.

I feel as if I'm arguing against my own interests here, because I actually hate present buying and receiving - I would be much happier with a charity shop book whereas my family enjoy buying and receiving expensive (and brand new) things. So I either accept I will have to spend more than I'd like OR I tell them I want to opt out, so please don't buy me anything.

What I would not do is buy them a £2.50 pair of socks from home bargains while expecting and happily receiving £80plus presents from them, which is what the daughter here has done. I'd be even more ashamed of myself if they'd done this despite me earning much more than them, and knowing they had scrimped and saved that £85 from their minimum wage job.

Nope, the point is we don't care. Sometimes I would have spent money on him but he knows that I'd rather have something I want than meaningless twaddle that costs a lot. What is the point of that? I usually spend more on him in the year so count that as part of his present as I can't afford much. Have also bought friends a charity shop book if it's one they want. It is the THOUGHT that sold count not the £££££'s unless you are extremely shallow.

SpidersAreShitheads · 28/04/2024 17:59

Prompted by comments from other PP, I had a look at some of the OP's previous threads.

I've got a lot of sympathy for OP given her other posts, but there really is a VERY significant back history here - and a clear reason why DD only gave OP a cheap present. The only surprise is that there was any gift at all.

I'm in agreement with you OP on many things, but if you're not going to explain there's a very big back story, your post is extremely misleading. Lots of people are suggesting valid reasons and it's just a complete waste of their time because you know exactly what the reason is.

NoTouch · 28/04/2024 16:58

What are you wanting from this thread OP - to simply criticise the gift or for us to tell you you are worth more (who knows maybe you are only worth £1 or maybe you are worth £1m, we don't know you!!!)

You brought her up, why do you think she thinks the present was appropriate?

Or she is your dd, maybe the fact you have come on her and haven't naturally had a frank conversation with her about the gift says a lot about your relationship?

anyolddinosaur · 28/04/2024 16:40

@sarah419 and@Sweetheart7 This is not a young child whose behaviour is down to the parent, this is an adult woman who is happy to take and give very little back. No a parent is not responsible for every bit of bad behaviour by their adult child. Only children think they can blame anything they do on others.

LadyEloise1 · 28/04/2024 16:37

You raised her presumably.

Merp123 · 28/04/2024 16:32

YABU. OP has stated that they gifted daughter 2 books and a clothing voucher in return, so gifting books clearly seems like the done thing amongst your family. To state price as the reason you’re unhappy just seems ungrateful.

1offnamechange · 28/04/2024 16:32

Kateeeeuyyy · 28/04/2024 16:04

So, your daughter bought you a present that you took 5 months to actually look at ? Maybe that’s why she only spent 2:50 on you….

quite possibly the most ridiculous post on a thread with a lot of competition.
I didn't realise there was any correlation between how soon you use a present and how much you appreciated it, and then a further equivalence between how much you deserve to have spent on you.

I'll tell my friend that unless she downs the full bottle of rum I got her for her birthday the moment her door closes behind me, she clearly didn't like it so next year she's only getting white lightning....

easylikeasundaymorn · 28/04/2024 16:08

chaosmaker · 28/04/2024 13:44

Me and my partner always get charity shop books for each other especially if they are out of print and have been trying to find them. Sad you only see value in how much someone spends on you.

do you not see the difference?

You and your partner BUY THE SAME THING having MUTUALLY AGREED it's what you both want. You don't buy your partner a £5 charity shop book then expect him to buy you a £160 brand new handbag, which is what the price difference is here.

I feel as if I'm arguing against my own interests here, because I actually hate present buying and receiving - I would be much happier with a charity shop book whereas my family enjoy buying and receiving expensive (and brand new) things. So I either accept I will have to spend more than I'd like OR I tell them I want to opt out, so please don't buy me anything.

What I would not do is buy them a £2.50 pair of socks from home bargains while expecting and happily receiving £80plus presents from them, which is what the daughter here has done. I'd be even more ashamed of myself if they'd done this despite me earning much more than them, and knowing they had scrimped and saved that £85 from their minimum wage job.

Kateeeeuyyy · 28/04/2024 16:04

AnnaSewell · 24/04/2024 02:58

Daughter on professional salary. No debt. Not currently saving for deposit, though highish rent

The book is certainly a good read, though the jacket shows signs of wear and the pages are a little faded/discoloured. Not an out of print book by a favourite author.

I am low waged though mortgage paid off.

We don't tend to go for lavish gifts, but I had bought her two new books - one cookery, one fiction - plus a clothing voucher. Total spend £75 plus a few small stocking fillers.

So, your daughter bought you a present that you took 5 months to actually look at ? Maybe that’s why she only spent 2:50 on you….

Sweetheart7 · 28/04/2024 15:32

sarah419 · 28/04/2024 13:02

Either her finances are very tight - in which case might be worth asking if she needs help and actually help her, or you are not worth even a tenner, and then it’s worth reevaluating your parenting and what could have went wrong, and try to mend it. In both cases, remember you are the parent, and the onus is on you to fix whatever it is and take initiative (rather than blaming your daughter).

I agree.

Sweetheart7 · 28/04/2024 15:30

LiterallyOnFire · 24/04/2024 01:17

Is she frantically saving for a deposit? Struggling with cost of living? My eldest is mid twenties and I wouldn't hold a secondhand present against him tbh. I did get close to sulking when I thought my 17 year old had forgotten Mother's Day, so I'm not above bruised feelings, but there are so many reasons why money might be tight at that age and in this economy. I honestly wouldn't take it personally.

This

GirlyBassey · 28/04/2024 15:18

QuizNight · 28/04/2024 10:56

How many people do you have to buy gifts for and how many does she? My mum literally only buys for my dad and me. She doesn’t have any parents and isn’t close to her siblings. She doesn’t have any friends. I have to buy for over 20 people (mum and dad, husband, sister in law and husband, 7 nieces/nephews (they are a blended family with previous kids each and then kids together), mother and father in law, 4 god children, 2 friends and 4 colleagues). I can’t possibly spend as much time and money on each present.

I think many of us think our mother hold a special place n our families so we want to make them feel special and treat them every now and then. My mum’s present was always a priority for me - even as a young child with a Saturday job. But my mum was really lovely. Of course she had her moments but she was overall a good mum.

1offnamechange · 28/04/2024 15:09

sarah419 · 28/04/2024 13:05

shes on low wage without rent. her daughter has to pay rent - rendering whatever free money she has after as minimal as someone on low wage if not even less. who is the parent in this relationship? i would never expect my child to spend more on a gift for me than i spend on them and i would love nothing more than to spoil my child - and not act like someone who needs to be spoilt myself. Sounds like a toxic parenting relationship that is deserving of no more than £10.

how on EARTH do you know this?
(hint - you don't!)
Daughter could be earning £60k and only spending £300 p/m on rent (£600 for a room that she shares with her boyfriend in a shared house).

Whereas OP could be working part time on minimum wage and still need to pay every other bill apart from a mortgage.

You've got no idea.

And regardless of how little the daughter has left after rent, I can't imagine she couldn't have saved the price of less than 3 coffees, or 2 tesco meal deals, or 1 glass of wine, OVER THE COURSE OF A YEAR, to buy her mum a present costing a tenner.

Otherwise you're suggesting a grown woman on a professional wage can't afford to ever buy herself a coffee, sandwich at lunch or have a night out, in which case she's clearly living beyond her means.

BlackCat007 · 28/04/2024 15:09

MyBigFatGreekSalad · 24/04/2024 01:32

How strange. Why would you like it to be worth a tenner? Would that make the book more enjoyable?

Agree. It’s a gift chosen by a loved one. All comes across as bizarrely grabby and materialistic

80smonster · 28/04/2024 15:08

Don’t see what the issue is. You aren’t a child, so would expect to be able to buy whatever you want - when you needed it. Does your daughter assume the same?

SweetcornFritter · 28/04/2024 14:43

AnnaSewell · 24/04/2024 01:14

My daughter is in her mid-twenties. For Xmas she bought me a slim paperback book. I thought at the time it was a fairly modest gift but thanked her and put it on one side.

This evening I picked it up to read. I found she had omitted to rub out the pencil price put in at the charity shop. The book had cost £2.49.

I would like to have been worth a tenner.

I would have been hurt too, OP. It sounds like your daughter is a skinflint and that is such an unattractive trait to have.

JanglingJack · 28/04/2024 14:22

thepastinsidethepresent · 28/04/2024 14:07

Just because you want to race to the bottom doesn't mean others have to join you there.

Thank you for that insight.

I must remember to bin my sense of humour and let my children that they vastly disappoint me!!

Better?

Horsesontheloose · 28/04/2024 14:13

I get it, I would feel the same. The least I would expect was that the price was rubbed off. Bit cheeky of her but casting my mind back hundreds of years to my twenties, I remember a time where I rarely thought of anything but myself. Let her off and put it down to the selfishness of youth.

thepastinsidethepresent · 28/04/2024 14:07

JanglingJack · 28/04/2024 13:49

Some of us know that there are more important things to get 'hurt' about. We look back and laugh.

You know - hahaha

I'm sorry these things and a piece of cardboard mean so much to you.

Not my concern.

Thank you though.

Just because you want to race to the bottom doesn't mean others have to join you there.

OrionSky · 28/04/2024 13:57

I totally understand how you feel OP. I’m not materialistic but I’d be hurt at a clearly second-hand book. Somehow it suggests a lack of thought and care. She’s clearly not hard up so if it was a book she’d thought you’d love, why not add some other bits and bobs. Why not rub out the price!

My sister in law gave me a secondhand book for my bday and it stung. There were even a few missing pages. I knew she’d probably just picked up something from her house that she’d already read. You can do that without it being a bday / Christmas gift! Special occasion gifts should make the receiver feel special. It’s not about money, but carefully choosing something they know you’ll love, and wrapping it with care.