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Skint2022 · 23/04/2024 23:57

Unfortunately I can no longer attend an event due to childcare issues. I have asked the group if they know anybody else that could take my place. Nobody has replied on the group chat. They don’t seem bothered that I can’t attend but I’ve since spoken to a member and they are expecting me to pay the final balance which is £100. It would work out to be an extra £10 per attendee if they split my cost between them. I can’t work out if I’m being unreasonable or not for not wanting to pay. The event is 5 months away so I’m not calling off last minute and I’ve already paid a large chunk in the form of a deposit which I’m not expecting back. I thought that was the whole point of a deposit? Anyway, should I suck it up and pay the £100 or is it reasonable to ask everyone else to pay an extra £10 if they can’t find anyone else?

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weirdoboelady · 28/04/2024 13:54

Can you not message the group to say you're a bit disappointed that no-one seems to have made any effort to replace you, given the fact that they let x get away with dropping out, and your situation is so much more serious? (BTW, have you made any efforts to replace yourself? - I do of course understand if you think it's up to the group cos they will be on hols with this person, but if so maybe explain this as well)

Mememe9898 · 28/04/2024 13:31

Skint2022 · 24/04/2024 01:53

Thanks everyone. Sounds like I ought to pay it. Will leave it a while for now and hopefully they will be able to fill the space.

Why is it there responsibility to fill the space? Surely it’s you that needs to fill it so you are not out of pocket. I’d be pissed if the person dropping out expected everyone else to run around trying to fix the issue that they created 🙄

IrritableVowel · 28/04/2024 13:09

Assuming the group is 10 people...
What if a few said, let's cover the difference, but the rest don't want to? For whatever reason. It can create an atmosphere of those who feel "it's only an extra tenner" vs " I can't/won't pay every time someone might decide to drop out'

Some of my friends could easily afford it, others couldn't. A group booking would be made based on a budget everyone agreed to. An extra tenner might be someone's petrol to get there

Not saying OP hasn't got a good reason to drop out. Most people will think they have a good reason, if they can't go to something they previously agreed to.

But they should still absorb their costs.

DishSoap · 28/04/2024 13:01

They've based their plans and finances on having a certain number of people attending. If you can't find someone to take your place, I think it's entirely reasonable for you to pay-- which is annoying and won't feel great, but it is fair.

Applesonthelawn · 28/04/2024 13:01

You can reasonably ask if they know someone who can take your place.
If they don't, and if you also don't, then there is no question that you have to pay up.

Antibetty · 28/04/2024 12:55

You need to find someone else to take your place, or stump up. simple as.

eise · 28/04/2024 12:48

It's a whole 5 months away. You've already decided you don't have childcare?
Why can't you pay the balance then find the replacement who can go in your place and reimburse you?

GCAcademic · 28/04/2024 12:18

Zatapeg · 27/04/2024 22:02

I think trying to find a replacement is considerate of you, but if it comes to the event and your place hasn't been taken then £10 extra for each person is not unreasonable, it's only £10 for them but £100 for you!
When you say yes to a group booking you do have to take into account the cost may go up due to someone dropping out! 😉

What happens if everyone pulls out (not inconceivable given how flaky people are these days)? Does the last woman standing foot the entire bill?

This is why I no longer get involved in any event of this nature.

Lucyh999 · 28/04/2024 12:15

Skint2022 · 23/04/2024 23:57

Unfortunately I can no longer attend an event due to childcare issues. I have asked the group if they know anybody else that could take my place. Nobody has replied on the group chat. They don’t seem bothered that I can’t attend but I’ve since spoken to a member and they are expecting me to pay the final balance which is £100. It would work out to be an extra £10 per attendee if they split my cost between them. I can’t work out if I’m being unreasonable or not for not wanting to pay. The event is 5 months away so I’m not calling off last minute and I’ve already paid a large chunk in the form of a deposit which I’m not expecting back. I thought that was the whole point of a deposit? Anyway, should I suck it up and pay the £100 or is it reasonable to ask everyone else to pay an extra £10 if they can’t find anyone else?

No it’s not reasonable to ask everyone else to pay more for an event you committed to. If they offered that, then fine, but they haven’t.

LumpyandBumps · 28/04/2024 11:17

I am sorry you’ve had to drop out. It sounds like you have a good reason, and I hope your place can be filled.
Whilst you have asked if it is reasonable to expect the others to put in extra to cover your share, you have no way of making this happen.
I assume that when you all got together and agreed to go on the trip one person took responsibility and put the booking in her name. If no replacement can be found, and the others don’t contribute towards the shortfall that one person could end up paying it all. That wouldn’t be fair or reasonable.

GrooveHeart · 28/04/2024 10:51

I'm going to a cottage in October with some friends but there's a chance I may have to work that weekend but won't know until a few weeks before. If I drop out I'll be paying the full amount I owe. The payment for us all was worked out for 10 of us sharing and I wouldn't want my friends to have to pay any extra for me not being able to go. I think it's an unwritten rule that if you say yes to these type of trips you are responsible for your part of the trip which is either payment or finding someone else to replace you if you can't go. You don't put the burden on others

SchoolQuestionnaire · 28/04/2024 10:44

The circumstances make the difference here. You’ve been very vague about them as they are outing which makes me think it could be an illness or a bereavement. If this is the case we wouldn’t expect a friend to foot the bill for their misfortune, particularly when we have 5 months to fill the slot. However if it’s something less serious then I think it would be fair to pay.

Bestyearever2024 · 28/04/2024 10:40

Lampslights · 28/04/2024 08:10

Cmon now. You can’t just magic up replacements, and offering to pay when folks drop out isn’t something most folks would do unless close friends and knew there were financial issues.

Maybe I misunderstood....but I thought the OP said the group found a replacement for the previous drop out?

I agree though that the OP should pay her share unless a replacement can be found - that's what I said

I also wondered if the OP has shown CF-ery before, therefore has form and the group is a bit tired of her?

HMW1906 · 28/04/2024 10:36

They booked the accommodation based on you saying you could go, maybe they could’ve booked smaller/cheaper accommodation if you hadn’t said you were going. You either need to find a replacement or pay the remaining balance.

jwpetal · 28/04/2024 09:53

When we plan a group trip, it is up to the individual to pay for their share and if they cannot go then find a replacement to pay the remaining balance. The group booked the trip based on you attending. I suppose the question for you is, is this friendship worth it?

6pence · 28/04/2024 09:48

Hippobot · 28/04/2024 09:39

Don't pay a penny more. You've paid the deposit, that's all you are obligated to pay. If anyone asks for more money tell them no because you aren't going anymore and that's what the deposit is for.

That’s what the cottage company have asked for, but the op has made a commitment to friends to go and pay the full amount. She should honour that commitment.

Hippobot · 28/04/2024 09:39

Don't pay a penny more. You've paid the deposit, that's all you are obligated to pay. If anyone asks for more money tell them no because you aren't going anymore and that's what the deposit is for.

Delawear · 28/04/2024 09:38

Also it’s five months away. I think they will see what happens and discuss if your space isn’t filled.

Delawear · 28/04/2024 09:36

When they get together in person for the trip, they may discuss your being unable to come and might decide collectively to cover the cost of your space.

If they are decent, they will all be mindful of your dignity and privacy, they won’t discuss chipping in for your space in front of you on the group chat. If someone on the group chat wrote, “OP had this sad event happen, I think it would be nice to cover the cost of her space between us”, they are probably mindful of the fact that they don’t want you to feel like a charity case, and perhaps not everyone in the group knows the full details of your situation. It would feel very inappropriate to discuss these details on the chat in front of you.

It would also be embarrassing for people who are sympathetic but can’t afford to pay any extra.

It sounds as though there was someone wanting a space who missed out initially when the first person dropped out. So I would pay up, but it doesn’t necessarily mean you won’t get your money returned.

CosyLemur · 28/04/2024 09:08

Pay up! In the save way as they've got 5 months to arrange someone to take your place you've got 5 months to make alternative childcare arrangements!

comingintomyown · 28/04/2024 08:57

I was going to ask how you had childcare at the point of booking but now don’t and I think you may have had an easier ride if you had explained from the start that childcare had fallen through for sad reasons.
As an aside I don’t understand why people start this kind of thread withholding what is essential information in understanding if they are being unreasonable or not. If it’s too “outing” then fair enough but don’t ask aibu because unless we know the reason for the child care falling through how can we judge if your friends are being a little unkind in not offering to absorb the extra cost or not.

6pence · 28/04/2024 08:31

I’d be more annoyed at replacements than the money tbh. All these pepople saying find replacements. Wouldn’t you be annoyed at the change of dynmamics.

Lampslights · 28/04/2024 08:27

EliflurtleAndTheInfiniteMadness · 28/04/2024 08:22

I think the different responses could be either of 2 things, they dont want to try find someone else for the second time or because the other person was more demanding and less apologetic they probably thought it would be harder to get the final amount out of them. Path of least resistance was finding someone else.

Or more likely they knew of someone who wished to go. So it was Simples.

Otherstories2002 · 28/04/2024 08:26

Skint2022 · 24/04/2024 00:24

@MrsCherryCrest it’s a mixture of things. The £100 left is probably the balance of the accommodation. I know I’d be the same if the shoe was on the other foot but for the sake of £10 I think I’d be okay with paying it. An extra £30/40 then I’d be pissed off. It’s not a hen do or a birthday or anything. The group is mixed and I know that they could find someone else to join in but almost feel like they just can’t be bothered. Another person pulled out last month and they wanted their deposit back too! They found someone else but now that doesn’t seem to be an option.

Why should they be bothered? You’re the one who’s pulled out, it’s your responsibility to sort an alternative or pay. Maybe that’s the issue, they think you’re taking the piss cancelling and expecting them to take all the responsibility.

EliflurtleAndTheInfiniteMadness · 28/04/2024 08:22

Skint2022 · 24/04/2024 22:32

Just getting around to reading all of the replies.

Thanks all, you are absolutely right and I should and will pay the £100 if nobody else is found to take my place. Which I’ve now made clear to the group.

I haven’t divulged the specific reasons as to why I won’t be able to sort childcare in 5 months time as it’s quite a specific reason and very outing. It’s actually quite a sad reason and I probably should have said that in the original post. Because of this it’s probably blurred my judgement really as I hoped the rest of the group would be slightly more sympathetic to my unexpected and sudden change in situation (they obviously know the exact reason). That and the fact that the other person who dropped out simply just said they couldn’t go, end of and the rest sorted someone else.

I also am unable to find a replacement due to the nature of event/group. I can’t really explain it without outing myself but you’ll just have to trust me on that one 🤪.

I think the different responses could be either of 2 things, they dont want to try find someone else for the second time or because the other person was more demanding and less apologetic they probably thought it would be harder to get the final amount out of them. Path of least resistance was finding someone else.