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Skint2022 · 23/04/2024 23:57

Unfortunately I can no longer attend an event due to childcare issues. I have asked the group if they know anybody else that could take my place. Nobody has replied on the group chat. They don’t seem bothered that I can’t attend but I’ve since spoken to a member and they are expecting me to pay the final balance which is £100. It would work out to be an extra £10 per attendee if they split my cost between them. I can’t work out if I’m being unreasonable or not for not wanting to pay. The event is 5 months away so I’m not calling off last minute and I’ve already paid a large chunk in the form of a deposit which I’m not expecting back. I thought that was the whole point of a deposit? Anyway, should I suck it up and pay the £100 or is it reasonable to ask everyone else to pay an extra £10 if they can’t find anyone else?

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toni6994 · 29/04/2024 07:33

Why on earth would you expect your pals to have a whip round to cover your place? This cannot be genuine 😂

Lampslights · 29/04/2024 07:08

Jk8 · 29/04/2024 06:50

Your being unreasonable to expect everybody else to pitch in £10

But their being unreasonable to expect you to pay the final amount if a deposit has been paid & your nolonger attending

Why are they unreasonable? That’s the contract and the money due to the venue? Someone has to pay it. And it’s her responsibility.

Jk8 · 29/04/2024 06:50

Your being unreasonable to expect everybody else to pitch in £10

But their being unreasonable to expect you to pay the final amount if a deposit has been paid & your nolonger attending

HouseofHills · 28/04/2024 23:13

Skint2022 · 24/04/2024 00:24

@MrsCherryCrest it’s a mixture of things. The £100 left is probably the balance of the accommodation. I know I’d be the same if the shoe was on the other foot but for the sake of £10 I think I’d be okay with paying it. An extra £30/40 then I’d be pissed off. It’s not a hen do or a birthday or anything. The group is mixed and I know that they could find someone else to join in but almost feel like they just can’t be bothered. Another person pulled out last month and they wanted their deposit back too! They found someone else but now that doesn’t seem to be an option.

If they can find someone else to join, why can’t you find someone else to take your place? If you’ve all committed to going based on splitting costs between, say 10, and then one by one 5 of you drop out, those who are remaining are going to either end up losing a lot of money or with a lot of extra work scrambling around trying to find 5 other people to go! Why should they have to do that because you’ve flaked out? If you back out on plans and money has already been paid then the decent thing to do is to find a replacement or pay up, not put the burden of finding someone on those who have kept to their word and are following through with the trip.

wintersgold · 28/04/2024 21:43

While it would have been kind of them to waive the fee for you, they don't have to. Trying to find a replacement or alternative childcare would be a better use of your energy than quibbling over the money

DGPP · 28/04/2024 21:15

If you commit to an event and then pull out, you need to pay. Expecting them to pay for you is not on at all.

rookiemere · 28/04/2024 21:00

OP has chosen not to share why childcare is no longer available for the event, but reading between the lines it is something unfortunate. I can understand why she doesn't want to find alternative childcare if its an overnight thing as it would be hard to build up that level of trust in someone in a short space of time, very expensive if it's paid care and OP probably has other priorities.

But still doesn't mean her friends should pay for her share of whatever it is. She presumably could afford the £100 when she booked it and can still afford it now. Getting £10 each off 10 people is nigh on impossible even if everyone did agree to refund her share, so the organiser would end up out of pocket.

In my mind sympathy and money are two different things. OP should absolutely have been offered the former, but not necessarily the latter.

Lampslights · 28/04/2024 20:59

I do find it telling the op thinks they should all pay for her, that idea honestly would never occur to me, and I’d not wish people to do that. I’d genuinely thank for the offer and decline, as I’d see it as my responsibility and I’d not wish to put others out. I can’t grasp why they should pay for her.

it makes me wonder if her behaviour is normally off, and that’s why she’s been met with radio silence from the group.

Behindthescenesnow · 28/04/2024 20:07

@Hodnett32 so she pays the cost that's asked, the other options are too expensive? X

Hodnett32 · 28/04/2024 19:52

Gwenhwyfar · 28/04/2024 19:31

I don't have children so I suppose I'll be told not to have an opinion, but I know you can even pay people to mind your children if necessary. I do understand that some parents only want to leave their children with people they know, but OP has five months to make that happen. If she had one particular babysitter in mind, she knew she would have to find someone else if something came up for that person. It's certainly not the other holiday goers' fault.
Would you give up your job because your mother was unavailable in five months' time or would you make other arrangements?

'Babysitting' and 24-hour care for a few days or more are completely different. You are talking about hiring a Nanny, which can be ridiculously expensive in temporary situations. Agree it's not the holiday goers' fault but magicking up temporary childcare is also not doable. Unless she has bottomless pockets, she'd just pay the hundred if that is the case.

Gwenhwyfar · 28/04/2024 19:31

Hodnett32 · 28/04/2024 18:53

There speaks somebody who has no idea of what is like to have no village.

I don't have children so I suppose I'll be told not to have an opinion, but I know you can even pay people to mind your children if necessary. I do understand that some parents only want to leave their children with people they know, but OP has five months to make that happen. If she had one particular babysitter in mind, she knew she would have to find someone else if something came up for that person. It's certainly not the other holiday goers' fault.
Would you give up your job because your mother was unavailable in five months' time or would you make other arrangements?

LuluBlakey1 · 28/04/2024 19:30

Skint2022 · 24/04/2024 00:03

@Biggybigbiggles yeah I know of course you’re right but I think I thought they’d be more understanding of my predicament and perhaps at least say they were sorry to hear I can’t now go and maybe offer to split the cost for the sake of £10 each but as it stands it’s feels like they couldn’t care and tough I’ve got to pay. Maybe this is more about me feeling hurt than having to pay.

Why should they pay for your place? You reserved it. You should pay or find someone else. It's not their responsibility to do either.

Hodnett32 · 28/04/2024 18:53

Gwenhwyfar · 28/04/2024 18:28

They have five months to find someone else.

There speaks somebody who has no idea of what is like to have no village.

Gwenhwyfar · 28/04/2024 18:28

Hodnett32 · 25/04/2024 18:42

Depends if her mother is off for a Hip replacement cancer treatment, etc, etc.

They have five months to find someone else.

Gwenhwyfar · 28/04/2024 18:27

"leave it at that and if anymore is said just state that when booking and cancelling holidays the only loss is the deposit… that’s what a deposit is for!! This far in advance can’t they just cancel your room?"

Not if it'a shared house type of thing. The cost is not per room, but a cost for the house that is then shared between the people going. If OP had her own hotel room it's quite possible she would have booked herself directly with the hotel, but this is something booked by someone else.

Gwenhwyfar · 28/04/2024 18:21

hangingonfordearlife1 · 28/04/2024 18:11

erm well actually in terms and conditions of most holiday bookings if you cancel that far in advance you would just lose your deposit. she shouldn't have to pay whole amount. I'd understand if it was 5 weeks away.

Not really true. Can be true for accommodation, but not for flights unless you've paid extra for a flexible ticket. All the flights I pay for are just the cheapest ticket that you cannot change or cancel.

Gwenhwyfar · 28/04/2024 18:19

MrsCherryCrest · 24/04/2024 00:03

Don’t pay it. It’s not your responsibility to subsidise their trip. You’ve already said you’ll forfeit the deposit and that’s enough.

What?
Why would it be the other people's responsibility to pay HER part of the trip? Don't sign up for things you can't go to and if you need to drop out, you pay.
Potential exception would be an emergency, sudden illness or sudden bereavement, but not something that you know in advance.

hangingonfordearlife1 · 28/04/2024 18:11

NeedingAGoodNap · 24/04/2024 00:07

YABU. They shouldn’t have to pay more because you have to cancel plans. Have you looked at how the deposit works?

erm well actually in terms and conditions of most holiday bookings if you cancel that far in advance you would just lose your deposit. she shouldn't have to pay whole amount. I'd understand if it was 5 weeks away.

Moreorlessmentallystable · 28/04/2024 16:50

Skint2022 · 24/04/2024 00:24

@MrsCherryCrest it’s a mixture of things. The £100 left is probably the balance of the accommodation. I know I’d be the same if the shoe was on the other foot but for the sake of £10 I think I’d be okay with paying it. An extra £30/40 then I’d be pissed off. It’s not a hen do or a birthday or anything. The group is mixed and I know that they could find someone else to join in but almost feel like they just can’t be bothered. Another person pulled out last month and they wanted their deposit back too! They found someone else but now that doesn’t seem to be an option.

You are answering your own question then, imagine if more people pull out, the handful of people going will not end up paying an extra tenner but much more. You made a commitment and if you can't fulfill it then you either find someone to take your place and pay or pay for your share yourself and lose the money.

80smonster · 28/04/2024 16:35

Why don’t you find someone to take your place? That way no one is out of pocket. I’d do this and then let them know x will be taking your space and paying any balance. Also agree with PP that saying you can’t find childcare for 5 months time absolutely smacks of ‘can’t be arsed’.

Btwmum23 · 28/04/2024 16:11

NeedAdvice2024 · 24/04/2024 01:18

Not the point of your thread but, why can't you sort out childcare with more than 5 months notice?

Exactly! I would be bothered to find a replacement for someone that 5 months before pulls out for childcare issues, which obviously were not there when they paid the deposit. If someone can’t be bothered to sort out childcare 5 months in advance, why should I be bothered to find a replacement? And I would certainly put £10 to cover their cost. It does sound like a made up excuse to me. I would even be pissed and don’t invite the person anymore as they obviously can’t be bothered or make an effort to attend.

cockadoodledandy · 28/04/2024 15:40

Skint2022 · 24/04/2024 01:51

@exomoon Just to clarify, I didn’t actually ask anyone to pay my share. I simply said in the group chat that I could no longer make it, really sorry type thing and wondered if they knew of anyone else that would like to go. Then radio silence.

Do you regularly pull out of things that have been planned? To be honest to me that sounds like they've been expecting you to pull out but were hoping just this once you wouldn't, and are now rolling their eyes so hard they're looking behind them.

5 months to go sounds like ages to plan childcare. Doesn't sound like a valid excuse to me.

You say they don't care that you've got childcare issues - why would they? They're your kids, it's your job to sort out childcare. It's very entitled to expect other people to care about your problems over their own.

You need to pay - you made a commitment and it should not impact them that you're pulling out.

ETA - if it was a viable reason for pulling out that simply can't be avoided, I wouldn't mind paying £10 extra (significant health concerns, loss of job, something like that). But this is simply you not sorting out your logistics, not my problem, fault or responsibility, don't see why I should have to pay anything extra (as it sounds like it's not a cheap event to start with).

Folklore9074 · 28/04/2024 14:40

Can you not see if anyone else can go? Maybe offer that this person only needs to pay the £100 outstanding to sweeten the deal? It’s crap but it is what it is when you have kids and make plans that hinge on you having childcare.

chaticat · 28/04/2024 14:12

I am guessing your normal childcare has fallen ill or died for which I'm sorry and hope you find peace. I would make sure you've told them why and yes pay the £100

Buttonmoon92 · 28/04/2024 14:05

Skint2022 · 24/04/2024 00:03

@Biggybigbiggles yeah I know of course you’re right but I think I thought they’d be more understanding of my predicament and perhaps at least say they were sorry to hear I can’t now go and maybe offer to split the cost for the sake of £10 each but as it stands it’s feels like they couldn’t care and tough I’ve got to pay. Maybe this is more about me feeling hurt than having to pay.

yet you don't seem bothered that you're letting them down and only care about the money. Why should they have to split your cost?