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Right wing thugs 'protecting the flag' on St George's Day

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newnamethanks · 23/04/2024 22:41

Cruella's boot boys out on the street again protecting our British freedoms in their usual brutish fashion with violent disorder. She must feel very proud.

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TooBigForMyBoots · 25/04/2024 01:16

Do you have the stats on the ethnicity of sex abusers in the UK @MarioIa?

MarioIa · 25/04/2024 00:34

TooBigForMyBoots · 25/04/2024 00:04

Do you have those stats @MarioIa?

I was slightly out but not far off.

According to the EU Agency for Asylum, male applicants last year accounted for 71% of asylum claims.

Why it's often men who make the migration journey to Europe

https://www.euronews.com/2023/09/06/why-its-often-men-who-make-the-migration-journey-to-europe#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20EU%20Agency,for%2071%25%20of%20asylum%20claims.

If you want stats on sexual violence committed by asylum seekers just google any of Ayaan Hirsi-Ali's articles or even better read her book Prey. And also the wiki page on the NYE 2016 sexual assaults and the many links to similar assaults. For example, the music festival in Sweden where 38 girls, mostly under 15yo, were sexually assaulted and yet the police described the event as 'calm' and didn't publicise the assaults - a police spokesperson later said that "police employees are afraid of talking about these things in the context of the immigration debate today".

There was a massive thread with loads of data from the book but it unfortunately seems to have been deleted and I'm not going to spend hours copying and pasting from articles. One stat I remember is that asylum seekers comprise 1-2% of the population in France yet commit almost 20% of all 'serious sex crimes including rape' - a specific category of sex crimes.

People are usually quick to call these statistics 'racist' but they're facts. It's like calling somebody a transphobe for saying humans can't change sex. We shouldn't put political correctness above women's safety IMO.

Why it's often men who make the migration journey to Europe

Why it's often men who make the migration journey to Europe

As Belgium says it will no longer provide shelter for single men seeking asylum, an expert explains the background to many journeys.

https://www.euronews.com/2023/09/06/why-its-often-men-who-make-the-migration-journey-to-europe#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20EU%20Agency,for%2071%25%20of%20asylum%20claims.

MarioIa · 25/04/2024 00:06

ghostyslovesheets · 24/04/2024 21:15

It's illegal here though - there is protection under law and prosecution

also 'honour killing' is just murdering women under a different name - but for the same reasons

What are the reasons then?

I certainly can't think of any non Islamic cases where brothers etc have killed sisters to 'maintain the family honour'.

I feel that for a lot of self proclaimed 'feminists' it's just another justification to moan about men. They say "oh, it's all male violence" and then suddenly John the white, middle class, accountant from Kensington is responsible for FGM/honour/killings/etc simply because he's a man and it's male violence innit.

But if instead you look at it in terms of 'criminal' and 'non criminal' then a lot of the men you could previously lump in there and criticise are actually innocent. That's why these 'feminists' will often actively resist detailed analysis/profiling. Basically, all male violence is committed by men but not all men commit male violence. You may as well tell a catholic woman that's she's responsible for priests abusing young boys as it's 'catholic abuse'.

Those that like to reduce it to 'male violence' in order to berate John the white accountant will actively try and shut down discussion around the true demographic that perpetrate the crimes, because identifying the real culprits means they can no longer berate the innocent men around them.

These kind of behaviours are actually more harmful to the female victims than not doing anything at all, because they actively remove the focus from the perpetrators and onto men that aren't involved.

TooBigForMyBoots · 25/04/2024 00:04

MarioIa · 24/04/2024 23:45

Because 80% of those that come are young men and they commit a lot more sexual violence than the indigenous males.

Do you have those stats @MarioIa?

Livelovebehappy · 24/04/2024 23:54

GoldenTrout · 24/04/2024 23:25

Where have you seen that stated? Are you by any chance conflating economic migrants with asylum seekers, despite the fact that over 70% of asylum seekers are found to be genuine and the rest get deported? You do know, don't you, that the government lets thousands of legal migrants into the country every year, including the Rwandans it is taking as a quid pro quo for the ridiculous Rwanda scheme?

You know why you have to wait years for operations? It's because the NHS is extremely heavily dependent on foreign workers, and it lost a very substantial tranche of skilled workers due to the sheer folly of Brexit. The NHS needs migration.

I believe that most are economic migrants coming here for a better life, rather than fleeing persecution. A lot don’t even carry papers on them, nor any evidence of where they’re from, to avoid deportation. And issues with the NHS pre-dates Brexit. Its been in decline for years, and is no longer able to cope with an increased aging population. It’s on its knees and can’t accommodate further people coming here.

Saschka · 24/04/2024 23:45

Louloulouenna · 24/04/2024 16:33

Wow the open derision of the British white working class on this thread is quite something.

Why on earth do you think all white working class people are Neo Nazis? Do you even know any working class people? Most of us are leftists…

The number of white working class people who would vote for Laurence Fox vs Sadiq Khan is minuscule, I’m afraid. They are a tiny, unpleasant minority.

MarioIa · 24/04/2024 23:45

ghostyslovesheets · 24/04/2024 20:49

I'm also baffled as to why - if people generally are, quite rightly, concerned about issues of slavery or the impact of cultural practices on woman and girls in other countries we don;t welcome them here - to safety, when they flee?

Because 80% of those that come are young men and they commit a lot more sexual violence than the indigenous males.

MarioIa · 24/04/2024 23:43

ghostyslovesheets · 24/04/2024 20:47

@MarioIa could you help - I'm interested in getting more involved in charities and campaigns that tackle issues such a FMG and modern slavery - they are important issues - which ones do you support or work with?

That's neither here nor there in the wider picture and honestly whataboutery.

Why do you want to ignore VAWG that's happening today and instead focus on what happened 300-400 years ago?

JanglingJack · 24/04/2024 23:35

Stupid is as stupid does.

OneWorldly4 · 24/04/2024 23:29

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Wow

Mumsnet, any comment as to the level of racism on this thread?

Not feeling that it should be taken down?

Do you, poster, have any statistics of white men raping, sexually abusing their own children, neighbours children, friends children, raping random women in the street? Or is this not a white problem?

GoldenTrout · 24/04/2024 23:25

Livelovebehappy · 24/04/2024 20:30

The thing is, it’s only on MN where a majority think it’s absolutely fine to let thousands of economic migrants come to the UK - open borders and all that. In the real world, a majority of people don’t want it. Generally, people who champion it are usually nicely set up in their own homes, use private schooling and private health care, don’t live in the towns where it’s a problem. These people just can’t see that we can’t pull houses out of our arses. People born here can’t get a house, they have to live in temporary accommodation for years before getting somewhere to call home. Those who use NHS can’t get appointments, have to wait for years for operations. Schools are bursting. So why would anyone with a brain cell actually think it’s okay to allow thousands of extra people into the country? Bonkers….

Where have you seen that stated? Are you by any chance conflating economic migrants with asylum seekers, despite the fact that over 70% of asylum seekers are found to be genuine and the rest get deported? You do know, don't you, that the government lets thousands of legal migrants into the country every year, including the Rwandans it is taking as a quid pro quo for the ridiculous Rwanda scheme?

You know why you have to wait years for operations? It's because the NHS is extremely heavily dependent on foreign workers, and it lost a very substantial tranche of skilled workers due to the sheer folly of Brexit. The NHS needs migration.

GoldenTrout · 24/04/2024 23:20

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JaneJeffer · 24/04/2024 22:56

If only everyone was as classy as this woman

Right wing thugs 'protecting the flag' on St George's Day
ghostyslovesheets · 24/04/2024 22:54

LakeTiticaca · 24/04/2024 22:53

So you think screaming Death to Jews is acceptable?

The irony

LakeTiticaca · 24/04/2024 22:53

AboutYouTalk · 24/04/2024 22:32

Give it a rest Suella, today’s march is where the real hate lies.

So you think screaming Death to Jews is acceptable?

Charlie2121 · 24/04/2024 22:53

AboutYouTalk · 24/04/2024 22:32

Give it a rest Suella, today’s march is where the real hate lies.

Being an apologist for a murderous terrorist organisation is quite something. How do you sleep at night?

ghostyslovesheets · 24/04/2024 22:40

I think the most important thing is did they have horses? Sorry if I misunderstood your point - it's been trying to have a factual conversation with Trump tonight

ghostyslovesheets · 24/04/2024 22:37

okay mate

FuckTheClubUp · 24/04/2024 22:34

ghostyslovesheets · 24/04/2024 22:28

oh okay - so are white people not allowed to be concerned with black lives ?okay noted (and filed away in the bin), I would point out that one poster did keep going on about 'BLM BLACK rioters' so maybe PM her and set her straight.

You’ve completely misunderstood mate. Also, no one’s PM’ing someone to set them straight and risk potentially get banned, no thanks

FuckTheClubUp · 24/04/2024 22:34

lap90 · 24/04/2024 22:01

People on here are weirdly obsessed with bringing black and brown people into discussions that have absolutely nothing to do with them. Living in their heads rent free.

I wish I could say I’m shocked but I’m really not. Living in their heads rent free indeed!

AboutYouTalk · 24/04/2024 22:32

Charlie2121 · 24/04/2024 13:46

At least they are not marching in support of a proscribed terrorist organisation.

Give it a rest Suella, today’s march is where the real hate lies.

ghostyslovesheets · 24/04/2024 22:28

oh okay - so are white people not allowed to be concerned with black lives ?okay noted (and filed away in the bin), I would point out that one poster did keep going on about 'BLM BLACK rioters' so maybe PM her and set her straight.

Louloulouenna · 24/04/2024 22:12

Most BLM protestors in the UK and Europe and many other countries were white!

lap90 · 24/04/2024 22:01

FuckTheClubUp · 24/04/2024 18:36

Black people really can’t rest can they?🤣 why are we in your minds when the topic has something to do with a completely unrelated matter. BLM this, BLM that, go away man

People on here are weirdly obsessed with bringing black and brown people into discussions that have absolutely nothing to do with them. Living in their heads rent free.

lollipoprainbow · 24/04/2024 21:44

Livelovebehappy · 24/04/2024 20:30

The thing is, it’s only on MN where a majority think it’s absolutely fine to let thousands of economic migrants come to the UK - open borders and all that. In the real world, a majority of people don’t want it. Generally, people who champion it are usually nicely set up in their own homes, use private schooling and private health care, don’t live in the towns where it’s a problem. These people just can’t see that we can’t pull houses out of our arses. People born here can’t get a house, they have to live in temporary accommodation for years before getting somewhere to call home. Those who use NHS can’t get appointments, have to wait for years for operations. Schools are bursting. So why would anyone with a brain cell actually think it’s okay to allow thousands of extra people into the country? Bonkers….

Well said

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