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People who drive 40 everywhere

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PeRiO · 23/04/2024 18:26

Sorry this subject has probably been done to death but I let it really annoy me today so just want to get it off my chest 🤣
AIBU to be annoyed at people who drive 40mph everywhere? Following a car home today, I live in a small village of which the road to it varies between 30/60. It isn't a bad road, fairly straight on the 60 bits but I appreciate 60 isn't a target speed but it riles me up when said car is happy to speed in the 30 bits but not willing to go a little faster in the 60 bits.

Anyone else?

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MereDintofPandiculation · 26/04/2024 12:05

if you’re behind someone who brakes it’s impossible to judge whether they are just slowing gradually for an impending corner or because there is a real need to suddenly brake (ie an animal in the road Can't you tell by whether there's a rapidly decreasing distance between you and them?

RampantIvy · 26/04/2024 12:01

taxguru · 26/04/2024 10:45

On what planet would you think it's unsafe to drive smoothly rather than constantly accelerate and brake? The mind boggles!

I was referring to drivers who don't slow down to 30 when driving at a consistent 40.

JudgeJ · 26/04/2024 12:00

PickledMumion · 23/04/2024 21:10

Derestricted doesn't mean you "should" be going at 60. All our tiny, single track lanes are officially a 60 limit, but you can only safely go at about 20-25.

(I appreciate that the section of road you're talking about might well be safe to travel at 60mph, and that 40mph might be overly cautious, but that's because of the road, not because of the road sign.)

That happens here too, a major road is 50mph, when I turn into my single track road with passing places I could do 60mph. Apparently speed limits are determined by the use of the road and the amount of property along it, hence a little used 'road', the sort that's so narrow you can scratch both sides of the car at the same time, are derestricted.
I'm not sure if they still do it but some major routes in Germany used to have a minimum speed limit to deter dawdlers.

Shade17 · 26/04/2024 11:59

But purposely changing down through the gears deliberately to slow down is putting immense stress/pressure/wear and tear on the clutch and gearbox and should be avoided.

Absolutely this. Brakes to slow, gears to go.

taxguru · 26/04/2024 11:58

BIossomtoes · 26/04/2024 11:52

Tell that to the insurance company.

If NCD was that relevant, the NCD discount would be much higher than it commonly is. For example, Admiral maximum NCD (9 years) is only 27%!

Other factors have more influence on the total premium, such as the make and model of car, age, driver's age, numbers of years without offence nor accident, etc., number of years a licence has been held, etc., number of named drivers, address, etc etc.

The maximum discount for NCD is also typically 9 years, so it makes no difference if your NCD is 10 years nor 30 years, which kinds of proves that driving claim free for 40 years is no better than for 10 years!

It is also pretty cheap to have a protected NCD which again tends to suggest a full NCD isn't that much of an issue to the insurance firm.

BIossomtoes · 26/04/2024 11:56

Shade17 · 26/04/2024 11:55

Can’t help people who don’t want to be helped I guess, but the fact remains that if you can’t manage a concept as simple as acceleration sense then you’re a poor driver.

OK 🤷‍♀️

Shade17 · 26/04/2024 11:55

BIossomtoes · 26/04/2024 11:46

What is the matter with you? The evidence I post here suggests I am, it’s certainly good enough for my insurer to assess my risk and give me a full no claims discount. I don’t want to learn more skills, thank you. I have far more important things to do with my time and money.

Can’t help people who don’t want to be helped I guess, but the fact remains that if you can’t manage a concept as simple as acceleration sense then you’re a poor driver.

JudgeJ · 26/04/2024 11:53

PeRiO · 23/04/2024 18:26

Sorry this subject has probably been done to death but I let it really annoy me today so just want to get it off my chest 🤣
AIBU to be annoyed at people who drive 40mph everywhere? Following a car home today, I live in a small village of which the road to it varies between 30/60. It isn't a bad road, fairly straight on the 60 bits but I appreciate 60 isn't a target speed but it riles me up when said car is happy to speed in the 30 bits but not willing to go a little faster in the 60 bits.

Anyone else?

My late OH used to call 40mph the Norfolk speed limit, whatever the posted limit was, for many drivers over a certain age!

taxguru · 26/04/2024 11:53

parkrun500club · 26/04/2024 11:35

And engine braking is much better for your car. I hate it when people brake all the time when there is no need to. Just lift your foot off the gas. And no, people won't go into you.

Yes indeed, engine braking is good for the car, as long as you stay in the same gear whilst doing it, i.e. change gear only once you've slowed down.

But purposely changing down through the gears deliberately to slow down is putting immense stress/pressure/wear and tear on the clutch and gearbox and should be avoided.

Yes, I know some driving instructors teach it that way, but that's really for just slow speeds and is an aid to instruction mostly for getting accustomed to changing gears really. It's not advised nor encouraged for "proper" driving.

You won't fail your normal driving test by braking to slow down or stop rather than changing down through the gears to do the same. You're only potential advisory would be if you didn't depress your clutch as you coast to a stop and end up kangarooing!

BIossomtoes · 26/04/2024 11:52

taxguru · 26/04/2024 11:48

Anecdote isn't evidence.

Tell that to the insurance company.

taxguru · 26/04/2024 11:48

BIossomtoes · 26/04/2024 11:46

What is the matter with you? The evidence I post here suggests I am, it’s certainly good enough for my insurer to assess my risk and give me a full no claims discount. I don’t want to learn more skills, thank you. I have far more important things to do with my time and money.

Anecdote isn't evidence.

taxguru · 26/04/2024 11:47

Shade17 · 26/04/2024 11:35

No, you sound like a pretty poor driver to me! Balls to being too old, plenty of older people take advanced courses and tests, age is no barrier.

I agree. I was an advanced motoring "observer" for around 20 years and lots of our "learners" were OAPs, many wanted to brush up on the driving as they realised they weren't as safe as they used to be, some wanted reminders of all the things they used to know which they'd forgotten, some just did it for a kind of hobby/interest.

Very few were "lost causes" and the vast majority passed their IAM advanced driving test in the same timescale as younger drivers. In fact, there was only one old lady that we had to give up on, she was in her 90s, had what was an ancient "classic" car, which she literally couldn't drive - she wasn't particularly dangerous but very slow and ponderous and completely incapable of doing things any differently to how she'd been driving for decades - no matter how many times and how many different observers went out with her, she just couldn't do anything differently, she wanted to, it wasn't her being stroppy or arrogant etc., but she just couldn't remember when/how to do anything different and basically just drove on muscle memory.

BIossomtoes · 26/04/2024 11:46

Shade17 · 26/04/2024 11:42

And yet the evidence you post here suggests you’re not. Not having accidents is kind of the bare minimum really, it doesn’t mean you’re “perfectly good”. Try the IAM, go for an assessment drive then have a few lessons, you’ll be amazed with the skills you can learn.

What is the matter with you? The evidence I post here suggests I am, it’s certainly good enough for my insurer to assess my risk and give me a full no claims discount. I don’t want to learn more skills, thank you. I have far more important things to do with my time and money.

Shade17 · 26/04/2024 11:44

Or even just buy a copy of Roadcraft

Shade17 · 26/04/2024 11:42

BIossomtoes · 26/04/2024 11:38

I really don’t care what I sound like to you. The evidence is very clear that I’m a perfectly good driver.

And yet the evidence you post here suggests you’re not. Not having accidents is kind of the bare minimum really, it doesn’t mean you’re “perfectly good”. Try the IAM, go for an assessment drive then have a few lessons, you’ll be amazed with the skills you can learn.

BIossomtoes · 26/04/2024 11:38

Shade17 · 26/04/2024 11:35

No, you sound like a pretty poor driver to me! Balls to being too old, plenty of older people take advanced courses and tests, age is no barrier.

I really don’t care what I sound like to you. The evidence is very clear that I’m a perfectly good driver.

parkrun500club · 26/04/2024 11:37

Shade17 · 26/04/2024 11:35

No, you sound like a pretty poor driver to me! Balls to being too old, plenty of older people take advanced courses and tests, age is no barrier.

The IAM actually does courses for older drivers (and young, just passed test, drivers too) so nobody is too old to have lessons with them.

parkrun500club · 26/04/2024 11:36

Hippyhippybake · 26/04/2024 11:16

Reading this it’s frightening how people seem to be relying on brake lights to adjust their speed rather than observing the traffic ahead.

I agree - if someone isn't paying attention they will go into the back of you brake lights or no. They shouldn't be that close, anyway.

Shade17 · 26/04/2024 11:35

BIossomtoes · 26/04/2024 11:33

I’m way too old to have advanced lessons. Like I said if it ain’t broke, why fix it? I think I’ve probably honed my driving skill pretty well in 40 accident free years over tens of thousands of miles, don’t you? Anyway enjoy your brake free driving.

No, you sound like a pretty poor driver to me! Balls to being too old, plenty of older people take advanced courses and tests, age is no barrier.

parkrun500club · 26/04/2024 11:35

And engine braking is much better for your car. I hate it when people brake all the time when there is no need to. Just lift your foot off the gas. And no, people won't go into you.

parkrun500club · 26/04/2024 11:34

MississippiAF · 23/04/2024 19:36

Yanbu. Plus they stop everytime a car comes in the opposite direction, even though there is plenty room for two cars to pass easily

Yes, or at least brake every time someone comes towards them. Fine on a narrow country lane, a bit silly on a wide two way traffic road!

BIossomtoes · 26/04/2024 11:33

Shade17 · 26/04/2024 11:30

Well, it’s certainly not the behaviour of a good driver! Do you go through life only doing things as you were taught and never looking to improve? Driving is a skill which you hone as your experience grows. Maybe you should do some advanced lessons, sounds like you might learn a thing or two?

I’m way too old to have advanced lessons. Like I said if it ain’t broke, why fix it? I think I’ve probably honed my driving skill pretty well in 40 accident free years over tens of thousands of miles, don’t you? Anyway enjoy your brake free driving.

taxguru · 26/04/2024 11:31

BIossomtoes · 26/04/2024 11:25

In your opinion. It’s not a matter of can’t, if you were taught to drive a certain way and have done so for decades you’re not going to change, are you? If it ain’t broke, why fix it? And it’s not harming anyone.

It's more than likely harming your car meaning you'll need new brake pads more often and also more strain on suspension etc.

Ever wondered why, when driving down a road of free flowing traffic on a clear day (Motorway or dual carriageway in particular) and there's congestion which clears for no obvious reason. More than likely it was caused by someone who got too close or failed to observe a junction or slip road and ended up having to brake, which causes the "concertina" or "ripple" effect where their braking leads all the cars behind to brake, and so it goes on, often for a mile or two.

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/ever-wondered-why-theres-a-traffic-jam-on-a-motorway-with-no-reason.18790728/

Ever wondered why there's a traffic jam on a motorway with no reason?

Looking to bounce something off you guys. Ever wondered why you sit in a traffic jam on a motorway for 30mins, then get to the end of the jam, only to see no apparent reason for it? Well, there is a reason, and the mathematical term is “queue theory...

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/ever-wondered-why-theres-a-traffic-jam-on-a-motorway-with-no-reason.18790728

Shade17 · 26/04/2024 11:30

BIossomtoes · 26/04/2024 11:25

In your opinion. It’s not a matter of can’t, if you were taught to drive a certain way and have done so for decades you’re not going to change, are you? If it ain’t broke, why fix it? And it’s not harming anyone.

Well, it’s certainly not the behaviour of a good driver! Do you go through life only doing things as you were taught and never looking to improve? Driving is a skill which you hone as your experience grows. Maybe you should do some advanced lessons, sounds like you might learn a thing or two?

BIossomtoes · 26/04/2024 11:25

Shade17 · 26/04/2024 11:22

Anyone who can’t plan ahead and adjust their speed (within reason) by lifting off is arguably a crap driver.

In your opinion. It’s not a matter of can’t, if you were taught to drive a certain way and have done so for decades you’re not going to change, are you? If it ain’t broke, why fix it? And it’s not harming anyone.

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