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To expect dd to be able to see a female nurse/dr at the sexual health clinic

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Bibpot · 23/04/2024 16:46

Dd (15) has attended the sexual health clinic a couple of times before-both times she’s seen a nice female dr who put her at ease, talked to her non judgementally, checked safeguarding etc. We made another appt for her to discuss possible changes to pill and have an opportunity for further advice re sexual activity.

Arrived and were both surprised it was a male dr/nurse who called her through (and the first thing he said was can I speak to dd alone-previous dr asked dd if she wanted to be alone or with me) and said she didn’t feel comfortable talking to him. I explained this and he seemed a bit offended. Said there were no females available. Made another appointment and requested a female next time but I’m a bit shocked that it’s not standard practice to at least be told on booking appt that it will be a male.

Im second guessing myself a bit now-as an adult I would be ok talking to a male and I guess he is just as qualified and trained but it didn’t sit right with me that there were no females available for potentially vulnerable teens?

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Herefishiefishie · 24/04/2024 08:20

Willyoujustbequiet · 23/04/2024 22:29

What about rape victims? Dv victims? Women who are devoutly religious?

There absolutely should be a female doctor if required.

If the NHS doesn’t have one available at that point then no they can’t have one.

If they feel like they need a female then they need to request one at the point of making the appointment, if they have to wait longer for a female doctor then so be it. That’s on them.

However I don’t think limiting yourself to female only doctors is a good thing, if you need medical attention then you need it.

helpmum2003 · 24/04/2024 07:01

I work in Sexual Health and it is good practice to see all patients on their own. It is recommended for Safeguarding reasons.

If a patient would prefer to be seen alone they may not feel able to say so in front of the accompanying person.

The patient may not be aware of the personal questions that will be asked.

With young people, and others, they often give more/more accurate information if parent not in the room.

People being abused/trafficked may attend with a 'friend', 'sister' etc who is actually there to check what they're saying. This happened in the Rochdale sexual exploitation situation.

We always give the option for parent/accompanying friend to come in later in consultation.

Willyoujustbequiet · 23/04/2024 22:29

TinyYellow · 23/04/2024 17:33

YABU and you aren’t doing your dd any favours by teaching her that she can’t be treated by men. What if she ends up having a male midwife, or consultant, or surgeon?

What about rape victims? Dv victims? Women who are devoutly religious?

There absolutely should be a female doctor if required.

TheOriginalEmu · 23/04/2024 22:16

CheeryPye · 23/04/2024 17:58

To be fair I'd be more concerned in finding out why a 15 year old child is having repeat visits to a sexual health clinic.

Sexual health clinics do all kinds of things. What a rude judgemental comment.

MFF2010 · 23/04/2024 22:09

TinyYellow · 23/04/2024 17:33

YABU and you aren’t doing your dd any favours by teaching her that she can’t be treated by men. What if she ends up having a male midwife, or consultant, or surgeon?

You've missed the message. The message being taught is that you can don't have to do anything with a man that makes you feel uncomfortable, you can say no 🤦

Wexone · 23/04/2024 21:50

LizzieSiddal · 23/04/2024 18:57

Not true. Several studies, including one out this week, have shown that female patients get better care and have better outcomes, when seen by a female medical practitioners.

@Bibpot good for you for sticking up for your 15 year old daughter. I have done the same with both of mine.

sorry my 1st gynaecologist was a female and she was an out and out bitch. had me in tears a few times and completely dimsimissive of my condition. which was server endometriosis..my second gynaecologist was a man and he was a gentleman always had a nurse when he was examining me and addresses each of my concerns. was a little bit apprehensive when he retired. luckily my next gynaecologist also a male is lovely. my friend has just had a few dealings with him and says he is a gentleman. delighted she got him after also dealing with my bitch of a gynaecologist who i dunno is still allowed practice.
I get why ops daughter wanted to see a female and she is entileted to request that. but my experience of female doctors hasn't been good

RawBloomers · 23/04/2024 21:39

TinyYellow · 23/04/2024 17:45

Why? The NHS has enough to pay for without providing chaperones for pointless reasons.

Are clinics just supposed to have women sitting around waiting to chaperone the odd teenager that wants it?

There is nothing wrong with your dd being seen by a man so no need for it.

Given that women have experienced plenty of sexual assault and inappropriate comments from male physicians, yes.

CurlewKate · 23/04/2024 21:00

@TinyYellow "YABU and you aren’t doing your dd any favours by teaching her that she can’t be treated by men."

She isn't. She's teaching her dd that it's absolutely fine for her to have a preference and ask for it. Women are allowed to do that, you know.

GoonieGang · 23/04/2024 20:33

TinyYellow · 23/04/2024 17:45

Why? The NHS has enough to pay for without providing chaperones for pointless reasons.

Are clinics just supposed to have women sitting around waiting to chaperone the odd teenager that wants it?

There is nothing wrong with your dd being seen by a man so no need for it.

Would you say this for all women? What about Muslim women? What about abused women?
There should be chaperones, even if it’s a receptionist. It’s for the patient and nurse’s protection.

BigFatLiar · 23/04/2024 20:14

Our GP surgery has one male doctor and he's part time as he was meant to retire pre covid but they haven't been able to find a replacement. DH doesn't get the choice of seeing a male doctor, these days he's just pleased to get any appointment.

I suspect a previous poster may have got ignored correct, the doctor was simply annoyed that it was a wasted appointment.

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WappityWabbit · 23/04/2024 20:02

TinyYellow · 23/04/2024 17:33

YABU and you aren’t doing your dd any favours by teaching her that she can’t be treated by men. What if she ends up having a male midwife, or consultant, or surgeon?

Bollocks to that.

If a woman wants to only see a female medic for any reason, but particularly when it’s related to a women’s sexual health, that should be granted.

Yes, you might have to wait longer for the appointment, but this is why we must carry on campaigning to preserve the sex based rights of women and girls.

AgathaMystery · 23/04/2024 19:59

Seems to be a lot of onus on the patient here.

Personally, something that I really rate about my GP is the times I’ve gone to see him about something that requires me to be physically vulnerable he has always said ‘oh I’ve booked a chaperone’. Never ‘do you want one?’ Just already thought of it and booked it. I don’t mean just vaginal examinations. It’s really thoughtful. It means a lot.

I know the rules around NHS chaperones (am NHS clinical staff myself) but I think we put too much onus on the patient.

It takes no thought at all to assume that a 15yr of girl will rather speak to a female dr or nurse. None. We need to make healthcare more accessible to young women, not less.

OP, your expectations were entirely reasonable.

Bibpot · 23/04/2024 19:55

Iamtheoneinten · 23/04/2024 19:39

How brave of you both then, to admit how fucking thick you are.

You don’t need to explain yourself OP. And although it’s perfectly fine for the medical professional in these cases to check regarding whether the YP wants a parent/guardian present (due to Gillick Competency concerns presumably), he absolutely should not have been irritated once your DD confirmed she wanted you present.

Sorry I might not have been clear here-
I completely understand that there are elements of the appt that need to be conducted without a parent there-my surprise was that that was the first thing he said.
He wasn’t offended that she wanted me with her-more that she didn’t want to talk to him at all. Maybe that was just my perception-he made the new appointment regardless so I’m not really complaining about him.
Maybe I would have liked her to be able to happily accept a male clinician -soupdragon’s dd above seems a lot more confident but everyone’s different and I’d rather she got what she needed from the appt even if she has to wait longer than not feel she could speak openly.

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Iamtheoneinten · 23/04/2024 19:39

OhHelloMiss · 23/04/2024 18:29

I also thought this..

How brave of you both then, to admit how fucking thick you are.

You don’t need to explain yourself OP. And although it’s perfectly fine for the medical professional in these cases to check regarding whether the YP wants a parent/guardian present (due to Gillick Competency concerns presumably), he absolutely should not have been irritated once your DD confirmed she wanted you present.

soupmaker · 23/04/2024 19:21

I assumed my DD (15) would be seen by a female HCP when she went to the sexual health clinic. She'd booked herself in and I just gave her a lift. She asked and stupidly I said it'd be a female nurse she'd see. Wrong. It was a male nurse but he was absolutely brilliant. She had an excellent experience. But lesson learnt for when she goes for a smear or needs an internal exam.

WomensRightsRenegade · 23/04/2024 19:17

givemushypeasachance · 23/04/2024 16:53

I mean the sexual health clinics where I live provide services to patients of all genders - they do contraception, STI tests and treatment, pregnancy advice, PrEP. I can well imagine that an 18 year old gay man might prefer to have a male doctor to discuss his sexual activities with. Or maybe most patients just aren't bothered (2/3 times I've had a coil implanted or removed it's been done by a male doctor). The clinics can only work with the staff they have, and perhaps only one doctor was working that day. You can express a preference but then may have to wait longer for an appointment.

‘All genders’??? Wtf cult language is that? I assume you mean ‘both sexes’?

TheOriginalEmu · 23/04/2024 19:14

YABU to assume that there would be a female available. If you want a specific sex doctor, you need to ask when booking the appointment.

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Don’t lie. You edited the post, the edit history is there. How embarrassing for you. Would you like me to screenshot it? You look like a fool.

Lassiata · 23/04/2024 19:05

MushMonster · 23/04/2024 17:04

I totally get you and your DD, but I think this is something we will have to get used to. A Dr is a Dr. There is a shortage and lots of people on long waiting lists.
What I think he should have done better is asking your DD if she wanted to go in alone or accompanied, rather than asking to see her on her own. I know some teens go shy and they have to ask questions that the teen may be hiding from the parent, but I always had the nurses sending me outside for a sec when that is the case.

We bloody shouldn't have to get used to it.
Some people's bar is so low.

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LizzieSiddal · 23/04/2024 18:57

BeaRF75 · 23/04/2024 18:25

Doctors are doctors. I really don't think their sex makes a difference. There is a school of thought that says that female doctors can be more unsympathetic re gynae issues if they have personally never had problems with periods, pregnancy etc. I certainly met a very unpleasant female doctor at the Family Planning clinic when I was about 20, and I never went back.... always saw male GPs for contraception and smears from then on. It's all about the person, not about their sex.

Not true. Several studies, including one out this week, have shown that female patients get better care and have better outcomes, when seen by a female medical practitioners.

@Bibpot good for you for sticking up for your 15 year old daughter. I have done the same with both of mine.

Bibpot · 23/04/2024 18:50

Thanks all, I’ve got what I needed from this -namely that I was unreasonable to expect it without requesting it so will make sure to do that in future for certain appointments.

I am certainly not going to get into discussions regarding why she was going but I will say that (based on my limited experience and todays misunderstanding not withstanding) these clinics seem to be a very good resource and we are lucky to to have them.

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