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Partner going on holiday with sister

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AnonymousB95 · 23/04/2024 15:24

My partner of 8 years is going away with his sister this year, the third year in a row. For context, they're incredibly close and since he moved out of the family home 3 years ago, have made going away together for a few days a yearly thing. She is about 14 years older, single, living at home and very successful.

Other than family, she doesn't have many friends or anyone to travel with. She organises and pays for everything on their trips so all he has to do is turn up.

I thought by now it wouldn't irritate me as much as did the first time, but it does. Am I in the wrong for feeling annoyed and somewhat, left out by this? I don't come from a family where I am close with my sibling so have never understood their relationship. She is a lot older and always seen him as a baby, and still does. They're in contact every day as he goes to her a lot for work issues/help.

These trips are usually pretty extravagant and I can't help but feel that as my partner we should be experiencing these things together. But I don't know if that's just selfish of me to say.

It's also irritating as I'm in the process of sorting a trip out for the 2 of us with no help from s/o. Then without warning, he puts in our joint diary he is going away with his sister. Which happened to be the exact dates I was also looking at.

He doesn't see the problem and thinks I'm unreasonable for being annoyed and should just be happy for her and him (as he would be for me). However, I feel as though sometimes her doing this is trying to 1 up me. My partner would never see it this way and it might just be my insecurities playing into it. But it sometimes makes me feel like he doesn't even need me in his life, the way he is treated by the women in his life (mums & sisters). Beyond these trips, they do a lot for him, buy him a lot of things etc.

Ultimately, I find the situation odd. Am I overacting?

OP posts:
Itloggedmeoutagain · 26/04/2024 10:58

Imagine if the post went something like this

My brother and I go away just the two of us, we've seen some great places and it's nice to get away just the two of us. I'm not sure if I should go next time because my husband says me going away with my brother makes him unhappy and I should be going to those places with him not with my brother. What should I do?

Ohwellithappens · 26/04/2024 10:56

Noyesnoyes · 26/04/2024 10:49

@Ohwellithappens poor OP????

Nope it's coercive control!

Oh course. You're right and an expert.

Noyesnoyes · 26/04/2024 10:49

@Ohwellithappens poor OP????

Nope it's coercive control!

Iggii · 26/04/2024 10:48

Why on Earth would she invite the OP along? It would be different if the sil had her own partner and they went as two couples.

Ohwellithappens · 26/04/2024 10:42

Noyesnoyes · 26/04/2024 08:56

@Ilovecleaning just because op is unhappy doesn't mean she's right!

Can you imagine a man stopping his wife going away and saying you can't go because I'm unhappy, there would be uproar, justifiably.

Coercive control by the OP, using upset as an excuse.

Poor OP, it's not her stopping her partner, it's her partner going on holiday with his sister who isn't invited by the sister who doesn't seem to like OP. Very unfair to suggest coercive control.
When my parents got together my dad's sister would invite my dad to things leaving out my mother, not even holidays, nights out, dinners. She didn't like my mother. It became difficult for my dad and for my mum who felt excluded. Thirty years or so later my dad's sister writes to my mother asking her to forgive her for being cold and unkind to her. My mother didn't respond, but after my aunt died really established a strong relationship with my cousin's, the aunt's children.
I really think OP has been very unfairly lambasted on here.

Ilovecleaning · 26/04/2024 09:57

SleepingStandingUp · 26/04/2024 09:03

Do you have siblings? Would you honestly never go away with them?? I have two sisters, we never have time or money for a holiday just us but if we did it would be great. But then I also two two weekends a year with friends and I'm away this weekend alone. We don't have a marriage that's reliant on isolating ourselves together

Yes, that’s great for you. But the OP is clearly very unhappy about it. And I assume you don’t have OPs weird SIL behaviour or a partner who is mollycoddled by his female relatives.
I think the thread is about OPs discomfort and the weird family set-up, not about the principle of goi g on holiday with siblings.

SleepingStandingUp · 26/04/2024 09:05

RadRoach · 24/04/2024 20:41

Two siblings have daily contact and like to spend a few days together each year.

“Maybe they’re fucking”
”Maybe she’s his mum”

Fruit loops.

Exactly. If this was two sisters or two brother, well sisters it would be fine, brothers it would be "they're off to fuck any willing woman" but no one would assume they were spooning in the double bed and reciting Flowers In The Attic whistfully

Noyesnoyes · 26/04/2024 09:03

AtrociousCircumstance · 26/04/2024 09:03

Wow so many posters supporting this weird enmeshed family dynamic of his!

@AnonymousB95 It’s really odd and infantilising to him. No wonder you’re uncomfortable.

I think it's jealousy not uncomfortable...

SleepingStandingUp · 26/04/2024 09:03

Ilovecleaning · 25/04/2024 08:12

OP, please ignore the replies on here which say you are jealous or things like ‘it’s nice they spend time together’ 🙄. The situation is not normal and YANBU.
A normal catch up with a sibling would be a few drinks, a lunch, a dinner, not a full-blown holiday.
Some MNs are always quick to shout JEALOUS.
Your partner sounds over reliant on his female relatives, his sister seems to regard him as some sort of surrogate partner, he is happy to leave you behind while he goes off on a jolly, his sister is standoffish and sounds as if she likes to get one over you and she blatantly leaves you out.
if I met a ‘couple’ on a cruise and they said they were brother and sister and they did this regularly I’d think ‘weirdos’.
your final sentence is right: it is odd.

Do you have siblings? Would you honestly never go away with them?? I have two sisters, we never have time or money for a holiday just us but if we did it would be great. But then I also two two weekends a year with friends and I'm away this weekend alone. We don't have a marriage that's reliant on isolating ourselves together

AtrociousCircumstance · 26/04/2024 09:03

Wow so many posters supporting this weird enmeshed family dynamic of his!

@AnonymousB95 It’s really odd and infantilising to him. No wonder you’re uncomfortable.

MrsSkylerWhite · 26/04/2024 09:03

I don’t understand your problem at all.

SleepingStandingUp · 26/04/2024 09:01

pineapplesundae · 25/04/2024 18:17

I reread and I agree with you! Interesting. I guess Op just wanted someone to agree with her. Isn’t that what friends are for?

No.

If my friend came and complained her partner goes on holiday with his brother a few days a year and that the brother pays for it and she's jealous, I'd essentially tell her to stop being so controlling and jealous. THAT is what friends are for.

Noyesnoyes · 26/04/2024 08:56

@Ilovecleaning just because op is unhappy doesn't mean she's right!

Can you imagine a man stopping his wife going away and saying you can't go because I'm unhappy, there would be uproar, justifiably.

Coercive control by the OP, using upset as an excuse.

TorroFerney · 26/04/2024 08:39

Bobbotgegrinch · 23/04/2024 16:15

Ooh, can I nominate this for weirdest post on Mumsnet 2024?

It’s not weird, that’s what op is insinuating, not sure why she’s not stating it, she thinks their relationship is too close/enmeshed and potentially they are treating each other like a surrogate spouse not a sibling relationship. Covert incest doesn’t mean they are having a sexual relationship, it’s often seen between parents and children, often when the parents relationship has broken down.

Itloggedmeoutagain · 26/04/2024 07:51

Just because someone doesn't agree with you it doesn't mean they can't see your point.
You think it's weird
I don't
There's no right and wrong.
It's OK to disagree

Ilovecleaning · 26/04/2024 07:44

cornflakecrunchie · 25/04/2024 23:33

It's weird, OP.
I'm sorry others can't see it. You marry / live with someone because you want to be together & share experiences. Mind, I once married into a family like this. I couldn't compare with them. Unhealthy.

I agree. So many indignant, angry and aggressive responses on here who can’t see that it’s weird. Also, what a lot of them are missing is the OPs feelings about it. She is unhappy with it and that’s the point.

Itloggedmeoutagain · 26/04/2024 06:46

Nanaof1 · 25/04/2024 15:28

I don't think there is anything wrong with siblings going on trips together, especially since they are only a few days a year.

But, I want to ask the MNers to ponder the thread a bit differently.

*MNers--I (M28) need advice! I have had a GF (26) for the last three years and we have moved in together. Everything is great except for one thing.

Every year, she goes on vacation for 4-5 days with her brother (40). He lives at home and has never married. He organizes and pays for everything and they go first class.

They have been on a few cruises and to Paris and Italy. Maybe I am just jealous and envious that I cannot do these things with my GF yet, but am I totally wrong to feel a bit uneasy about this? *

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So, MNers, what would your response be? A cruise? Sharing a stateroom, a hotel room? Have people asked the OP about them sharing a room or separate?
Does any of the above give you any pause at all?

Switching it round makes no difference
It's brother and sister whichever way you look at it.
I am female and used to holiday with my dad
Would you have worried about that?

Itloggedmeoutagain · 26/04/2024 06:42

cornflakecrunchie · 25/04/2024 23:33

It's weird, OP.
I'm sorry others can't see it. You marry / live with someone because you want to be together & share experiences. Mind, I once married into a family like this. I couldn't compare with them. Unhealthy.

You can be together without being joined at the hip.
That is unhealthy

Noyesnoyes · 26/04/2024 04:39

cornflakecrunchie · 25/04/2024 23:33

It's weird, OP.
I'm sorry others can't see it. You marry / live with someone because you want to be together & share experiences. Mind, I once married into a family like this. I couldn't compare with them. Unhealthy.

What is deeply unhealthy is being so controlling that you don't want your partner to experience anything other than with you.

Trying to stop them spending a few days away fr n you, trying to stop them spending time with their family, because you want them 100% to yourself.

I can see why your relationship didn't work, they had a lucky escape.

cornflakecrunchie · 25/04/2024 23:33

It's weird, OP.
I'm sorry others can't see it. You marry / live with someone because you want to be together & share experiences. Mind, I once married into a family like this. I couldn't compare with them. Unhealthy.

AGoingConcern · 25/04/2024 22:20

Nanaof1 · 25/04/2024 15:28

I don't think there is anything wrong with siblings going on trips together, especially since they are only a few days a year.

But, I want to ask the MNers to ponder the thread a bit differently.

*MNers--I (M28) need advice! I have had a GF (26) for the last three years and we have moved in together. Everything is great except for one thing.

Every year, she goes on vacation for 4-5 days with her brother (40). He lives at home and has never married. He organizes and pays for everything and they go first class.

They have been on a few cruises and to Paris and Italy. Maybe I am just jealous and envious that I cannot do these things with my GF yet, but am I totally wrong to feel a bit uneasy about this? *

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So, MNers, what would your response be? A cruise? Sharing a stateroom, a hotel room? Have people asked the OP about them sharing a room or separate?
Does any of the above give you any pause at all?

I am deeply concerned by the number of people here whose minds leap to incest. Please get a grip.

And no, changing the genders doesn't change my response.

So here's what I'd tell OP's partner or the female partner in your scenario: If you're in a relationship and notice that your partner is trying to weaken your ties to your family and stop you spending time with them on your own, run. It's a giant effing red flag.

Noyesnoyes · 25/04/2024 18:53

GoldEagle · 25/04/2024 17:04

Did the your DP's sister know you were looking at certain dates for you both to go on holiday? I do sympathise my sister's husband has 4 sisters who think the sun shines out of his backside, one in particular is a nightmare. They have caused no end of problems over the years.

Well the DP didn't know because it wasn't in the joint calendar.... so I guess not!

pineapplesundae · 25/04/2024 18:17

I reread and I agree with you! Interesting. I guess Op just wanted someone to agree with her. Isn’t that what friends are for?

BruFord · 25/04/2024 17:47

As I said upthread, I think this is more about the OP and the SIL not getting on well than him going on these holidays. If the OP liked her SIL, she probably wouldn’t mind the annual holiday.

GoldEagle · 25/04/2024 17:04

Did the your DP's sister know you were looking at certain dates for you both to go on holiday? I do sympathise my sister's husband has 4 sisters who think the sun shines out of his backside, one in particular is a nightmare. They have caused no end of problems over the years.