To be horrified this happens in the uk every day?

It's true. Being veggie or vegan is a privilege. If the world turned and the survival instinct, which the vast amount of people posting if not all have not experienced kicks in. You would no longer be vegan/veggie. Every animal you came across would be fair game.

This argument is age old and pointless. Campaign for better standards if you're that bothered.

With respect, no, chickens aren't kept In a big happy barn where they run around. And no, unlike with parents loving their children, there is zero (0) incentive for a chicken nugget factory to treat animals well.

No, I'm not a vegan but dismissing and choosing to be ignorant of animal welfare is wrong

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I don't discuss it in real life unless I'm asked and pressed, even then I usually refuse to engage. I'm not a shouty preachy loud vegan. I'm too old for that shit. I'll give advice when asked by people transitioning.

But people that KNOW what happens, the pain, the suffering and still proudly state they don't care are just soulless and revolting people.

Who actually WANTS to hurt and kill animals? Who doesn't care about the way they are kept and killed? Sick people, that's who.

Exactly. So why label all vegan food as “vegan shite” when the vast majority of vegan food it just normal food?

If the meat you're cooking is rotten then you're doing it wrong

Oh look, Greta's posted and done a post-and-run.

I'll have my bacon sandwich thank you very much.

Nature determined us as omnivorous.

Just as it determined a lion to be carnivorous.

If we didn't farm, people would starve.

That's it really.

You aren't going to stop people from eating meat, so maybe you should start campaigning for better welfare for the animals we eat and get produce from. It would have more of an effect than posting some random link on mumsnet.

A goady thread is going to get goady answers.

Why would someone who wants people to eat less meat get so worked up about vegan alternatives?

I really like things like vegan burgers, to the point I prefer them to meat. Other vegan alternatives are pretty good too.

Or are some vegans not ‘proper vegans’ because they eat things like vegan burgers.

I have no problem with proper food that just happens to be vegan.

It's the weird purple meat and massively processed shite pretending to be something it's not that I wouldn't touch.

Also, there aren't enough normal foods that just happen to be vegan that I find sufficiently pleasing that I would want to live on such a diet. Thank God I don't have to, despite the vegan propaganda.

No wonder vegans don't bother eating cows if they think they're that small.

All “vegan shite”?

so you don’t like salad? Fruit? Potatoes? Rice? Pasta? Bread? Veg? Grains such as barley, buckwheat, couscous, quinoa? What about baked beans, kidney beans, chickpeas- which are a good protein source for the pp who said they don’t eat protein on a veggie diet.

none of it? Because that’s all vegan you know.

i’ll give you that commercial vegan food eg. In restaurants is shite as it’s aimed at meat eaters. So you’ll get shitty fake meat with even worse “sheeze”. Add to that the vegan option now covers all else so it will be gluten free, nut free etc, I haven’t met a chef yet who can come up with something decent. My local pub is meat, meat, meat, and lasagne with fake meat and fake cheese. Nope.

Would make more sense to eat the cats and dogs over that tiny pig 😂 I do love a good fluffy cow though they are so cute.

For all those you can't be bothered to get worked up about the immense pain suffered by billions of farm animals every year:
There is (or should be) a wide middle ground between veganism and extremely cruel factory farming practices.
It's very easy to cut down on meat and dairy consumption and choose high welfare products instead - costs the same and is healthier, too.

I’m not vegan or vegetarian but you might want to read a bit about oat milk. General consensus is that unless you’re lactose intolerant regular milk is much better nutritionally and environmentally.

I'd love a tiny cow that was only marginally bigger than a cat. I promise not to eat it 😁

For everytime somebody tries to ram Vegan crap down my throat, I take another step further back from ever considering it.

My eggs are from my own poultry & all my meat is from within 4/5 miles of my house (often much nearer) and I know the majority of the farmers. I don’t feel one ounce of guilt.

What is your stance on all the animals displaced to grow crop or vegetables? Or do you survive on self righteous alone?

I eat and enjoy meat, dairy and eggs and I know where they come from.

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The scale on the vegan bill board really bothers me!

I'm with you OP, I'm a life long vegan and not clicking on a random link, but it is a vile trade all the same.
Everyone to their own, I don't judge what others want to eat. I, however, object to people giving me a tough time over my choices though.
We are not all placard waving and wanting to change the world.

I'm vegan but I don't agree with bashing people over the head with propaganda

Progress not perfection is probably the name of the game.

So if you can educate someone to maybe go for high welfare beef or chicken or consider where they might get cruelty free eggs, then great. And if you can't - then whatever. We all have free choice

However I don't agree with posters on here being deliberately awful though.

After all, surely none of you want animals in pain?

I mean I’ve tried all bar the dog and cat… knowingly. Dogs and cats would again be fair game tho in a zombie apocalypse. Love a bit of ostrich and crocodile too. Kangaroo is nice if cooked right.

Now you know you're being daft, stop it. The vast majority of the population are not devoid of a moral compass just because they are not vegan, if that were true humanity would be more fucked than it is.

Also on a practical note, shouting people down and insulting them from the off is not going to change any minds if that's your aim,.or is it just to congratulate yourself on your marvellousness?

Agree with a pp, efforts would be far better spent persuading people to eat less meat/dairy, and it would have a far bigger impact.

I would gladly watch a balanced and well researched documentary on animal husbandry in the UK. A vegan propaganda film, with pre-declared narrative, selective examples, and a fixed agenda portraying only the worst of farming, no.