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The Conservatives are shameless in their exploitation of women

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AdamRyan · 23/04/2024 11:57

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/apr/23/rishi-sunak-dementia-adviser-resigns-over-treatment-of-unpaid-carers

In the latest "crack down", carers are being prosecuted for fraud and asked to repay thousands over quite simple mistakes.

Carers are overwhelmingly women and are already being let down and unsupported by the government despite doing a very important job, and in the case of elderly and disabled care, saving the government a packet.

AIBU in thinking the Tories exploit women?

YABU - Yes, they exploit both sexes equally
YANBU - No, they are shameless

UK government dementia adviser resigns over prosecutions of unpaid carers

Johnny Timpson says he wants to ‘take a stand’ after revelations thousands of carers are being forced to pay huge fines

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/apr/23/rishi-sunak-dementia-adviser-resigns-over-treatment-of-unpaid-carers

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AlcoholSwab · 25/04/2024 00:02

DaniMontyRae · 23/04/2024 13:00

All the major political parties are shameless in their exploitation of women, they just do it in different ways.

Regarding carers allowance, it would work better if it had a taper rather than a hard cut off for income. However, the rules are very clear and anyone who has claimed while not being eligible should pay back what they owe.

There are many on here who still subscribe to the little woman principle.

Women have no agency and should be given a free pass for fiddling the social.

AdamRyan · 24/04/2024 23:19

Createausername1970 · 24/04/2024 22:41

I was listening to a report on the radio. My understanding is that you can earn up to a limit if you receive carer's allowance, but if you exceed the limit you could be asked to pay some of the carer's allowance back.

This limit is nothing new and I don't believe it's only the Tories who tell the DWP to ask for it back, it happens regardless of who is in government.

The limit is very low, as is carers allowance itself, and I think that there should be some leeway if someone has exceeded the limit due something like being asked to do extra hours one week, or a bonus etc.

But if people are being asked to pay back thousands of pounds, then surely the implication is that they were way over the limit on a regular basis and would have therefore known the consequences?

No. The DWP has a system that would pick up the error, they haven't been following up and leaving people claiming by mistake for years. Like the woman with dementia in the link in the OP.

This isn't a case of people extorting the system (although I'm sure that happens) - this is a case of the DWP not applying their own policies, letting vulnerable people run up thousands of overpayment in error, then demanding it back.

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Createausername1970 · 24/04/2024 22:41

I was listening to a report on the radio. My understanding is that you can earn up to a limit if you receive carer's allowance, but if you exceed the limit you could be asked to pay some of the carer's allowance back.

This limit is nothing new and I don't believe it's only the Tories who tell the DWP to ask for it back, it happens regardless of who is in government.

The limit is very low, as is carers allowance itself, and I think that there should be some leeway if someone has exceeded the limit due something like being asked to do extra hours one week, or a bonus etc.

But if people are being asked to pay back thousands of pounds, then surely the implication is that they were way over the limit on a regular basis and would have therefore known the consequences?

Churchview · 24/04/2024 22:14

The Tories have had three women leaders.

What did those women leaders do to improve the lives of women?

pointythings · 24/04/2024 21:43

MeAndStuart1981 · 24/04/2024 21:25

At least the Tories know what a woman is.

They certainly do. They're people to be taken advantage of because they'll save the nation a fortune in care costs - but Heaven forfend if they should earn a few pennies over the limit, they must be punished. Women are also people who should stay in abusive relationships, as evidenced by the cuts in council funding leading to the closure of refuge places. Women are there to do the shitty zero hours insecure jobs, the temp jobs that have just had their rights to paid holiday and sick leave removed, because women don't need such things. Oh yes, the Tories know what a woman is.

MeAndStuart1981 · 24/04/2024 21:25

At least the Tories know what a woman is.

user411966691966 · 23/04/2024 20:05

EggcornAcorn · 23/04/2024 12:57

I had wondered similar, Emma.

There was a Brexit poster a few years ago (can't quite recall the username) who was a one trick pony, we all soon started to ignore them.

Oh god I remember her! She lived on MN posting spurious comments such as she had a boat and could sail into the UK unchecked and kept banging on and on about Boris Johnson's birthday party. Thankfully she's been kicked off or institutionalised. Those types spoil it for genuine posters.

pointythings · 23/04/2024 18:18

I'd love to see Yvette Cooper as PM. Or Angela Rayner. Oh no, wait, she's the wrong kind of woman.

pointythings · 23/04/2024 18:15

LaCouleurDeMonCiel · 23/04/2024 17:26

Do you mean : Right, so having 'views' is as bad as applying clearly defined consequences to people who knowingly broke a rule?

I would say it is not as bad, it is worse.

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I beg to differ. The rules are complex and some of the people involved (92 year old women with dementia anyone) were extremely vulnerable. Moreover in these cases the DWP knew the rules were being broken from day 1 and yet waited years, allowing the total to build up, before contacting the people in question. That's either incompetent or wilfully cruel, and I know where my money is.

If a handful of trans people are more important to you than government cruelty towards very vulnerable people, your moral compass is malfunctioning.

LaCouleurDeMonCiel · 23/04/2024 17:26

pointythings · 23/04/2024 12:05

Right, so having 'views' is as bad as actions which throw people into debt. Nice to know where GC women set their priorities.

Do you mean : Right, so having 'views' is as bad as applying clearly defined consequences to people who knowingly broke a rule?

I would say it is not as bad, it is worse.

Jumpingthruhoops · 23/04/2024 17:17

AdamRyan · 23/04/2024 16:56

The Conservative party have had 15 prime ministers since 1900, 11 since 1950.
Labour have had 6, 4 since 1950.

Its not really a like for like comparison is it?

Well, yeah, it kind of is... at least one of those six could have been a woman. Fact is, it wasn't. Yet it's the Tories who 'exploit' women...

What's say we flip the script? How does Labour NOT exploit women? Surely that would be the more productive conversation - and an even better way to 'compare like with like', wouldn't you say?

AdamRyan · 23/04/2024 16:56

Jumpingthruhoops · 23/04/2024 16:51

This!
Three female Prime Ministers historically and current PM from an ethnic background - unlike Labour, whose past 10 leaders have all been middle-aged, white men!

Historically, Labour women have only been 'allowed' to fill in temporarily and these days the party can't even say what a woman is!

For the record, can't stand the Tories either - but we do need to state facts!

The Conservative party have had 15 prime ministers since 1900, 11 since 1950.
Labour have had 6, 4 since 1950.

Its not really a like for like comparison is it?

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Jumpingthruhoops · 23/04/2024 16:51

IvorTheEngineDriver · 23/04/2024 14:34

Would this be the same Conservative Party that has given us 3 female Prime Ministers while Labour cannot even manage one female Party Leader?

(And no, Margaret Beckett and Harriet Harmen as "Temporary Acting Leader" doesn't count.)

This!
Three female Prime Ministers historically and current PM from an ethnic background - unlike Labour, whose past 10 leaders have all been middle-aged, white men!

Historically, Labour women have only been 'allowed' to fill in temporarily and these days the party can't even say what a woman is!

For the record, can't stand the Tories either - but we do need to state facts!

AdamRyan · 23/04/2024 16:49

Having female leaders is irrelevant as to whether they exploit women. Plenty of women have internalised misogyny, on fact there's an argument to be made about whether that is a prerequisite for getting to a position of power for women.

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Jumpingthruhoops · 23/04/2024 16:41

pointythings · 23/04/2024 16:03

@IvorTheEngineDriver ah yes, that argument. Let's see:

Maggie Thatcher, the root cause of our current housing shortage.
Theresa May with her 'citizens of nowhere' crap and the hostile environment.
Liz Truss, who massively increased mortgage payments for tens of thousands of people.

I don't care what sex or colour my politicians are. I want them to be competent and boring.

None of that matters. Doesn't change the fact there have still be three female Tory Prime Ministers, which somewhat refutes the OP's claim.
Whether you like what those female PMs did is frankly neither here nor there.

pointythings · 23/04/2024 16:03

@IvorTheEngineDriver ah yes, that argument. Let's see:

Maggie Thatcher, the root cause of our current housing shortage.
Theresa May with her 'citizens of nowhere' crap and the hostile environment.
Liz Truss, who massively increased mortgage payments for tens of thousands of people.

I don't care what sex or colour my politicians are. I want them to be competent and boring.

IvorTheEngineDriver · 23/04/2024 14:34

Would this be the same Conservative Party that has given us 3 female Prime Ministers while Labour cannot even manage one female Party Leader?

(And no, Margaret Beckett and Harriet Harmen as "Temporary Acting Leader" doesn't count.)

CrappySack · 23/04/2024 14:26

GoodOldEmmaNess · 23/04/2024 12:54

Is this thread just for the purpose of electioneering? You seem to be pushing, across several threads, the idea that the tories are even worse than labour when it comes to women's rights. It may very well be true to say that they are, but you are starting to sound like a Labour hack that has been sent here to get the laydees onside.

OP is bringing balance to the force after the influx of pro-Tory posts.

Minion21 · 23/04/2024 14:17

While the right wing is sexist without concealing it, the left wing is sexist while at the same time autoproclaming itself as progressive. Among other things, the left wing supports gender ideology, which is founded on misogyny.

pointythings · 23/04/2024 13:50

Personally I think it's about time we had a counter to all the 'oh, aren't Labour awful' threads around how terrible they will be for women, how they will screw the economy and how boring Keir Starmer is. Sauce for the goose and all that.

AdamRyan · 23/04/2024 13:50

This one doesn't Grin

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Herdinggoats · 23/04/2024 13:49

AdamRyan · 23/04/2024 13:45

Get a grip. I'm a random 40 odd year old mum who's posted here for ages. As if I'm some kind of undercover Labour operative.

I am however quite pleased I seem to have got under the skin of certain posters. I must be doing something right!

Can 40 year old mums not work for the Labour Party then? Didn’t know that.

AdamRyan · 23/04/2024 13:49

JenniferBooth · 23/04/2024 13:44

No worriies @AdamRyan It gave me the oppertunity to share that again. Im sick of family carers being treated like shit I have already decided i wont be caring for my elderly mother

It gives me the rage. The endless social pressure for women to provide social care, and look after grandchildren, and work til they are 67, and smile and say they are lucky to have been able to give so much love....
No. We are humans and need proper support. If the government want people providing social care, they need to make it possible to live on one salary and encourage men to step up too.

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ilovesooty · 23/04/2024 13:48

Geebray · 23/04/2024 13:27

You've clearly not met Adam before.

Yes I have. So what are you implying?

AdamRyan · 23/04/2024 13:45

Geebray · 23/04/2024 13:27

You've clearly not met Adam before.

Get a grip. I'm a random 40 odd year old mum who's posted here for ages. As if I'm some kind of undercover Labour operative.

I am however quite pleased I seem to have got under the skin of certain posters. I must be doing something right!

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