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About unruly teens and that mum at theatre

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DougJudysSisterTrudiesDog · 22/04/2024 22:47

Name changed for this.

i took my DC and a friend to the theatre. The play is specifically geared for GCSE students, so basically everyone in the audience is 15/16, and every group must be accompanied by a parent.

The seat next to mine was empty. The next seat, and seats after that, had a group of teens that showed up with buckets of popcorn, pinched each other, playfought, talked and loudly munched non stop.

After 45 minutes, I couldn’t take it anymore. I leaned over the empty seat, gave the boy nearest to me a sharp tap on the shoulder (he was six feet tall so I’m guessing 16), and told him “Can you please stop talking? It’s really annoying”.

During the break, the mother came over to talk to me. I assumed she wanted to apologise. Wrong! She accused me of hitting her child, demanded I apologise, and said it was assault and if I ever did it again she would report me to the police. I said I did not hit her child, I tapped him on the shoulder, and she should have prevented her party from disrupting the performance long before I did so. I also told her it should be her boys apologising to me and others around us for ruining their evening. She kept repeating herself, so after a while, I said I thought the conversation was over.

Other parents also intervened: one dad said the boys hadn’t bothered him, and three other parents told the mother to drop it, that her children were very rude and that even if I hit the boy (I didn’t), that was justified by their behaviour and they would have done the same.

WIBU to tell the boy off? I don’t think I was. I think it’s possible my tap was sharper than I had wished, because he was leaning over the other side to chat to his friends, and I had to lean over the empty seat so it was a bit awkward. But I am 100% sure I did not hurt him, though I think I startled him. If I want to be charitable I would say the mum felt chastised about her parenting so she lashed out at me, and will give her head a wobble later. But as a regular theatre goer, I think I taught the boy a valuable life lesson.

AIBU?

In case this matters, I’ve never hit my DCs and I don’t agree with physical punishment or violence.

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bombastix · 23/04/2024 21:27

No you were not wrong. They are just people who have never heard no in their lives in all probability. However you can have some sympathy for the boy since it's pretty clear his mother is the origin of the issue....

Noyesnoyes · 23/04/2024 19:12

Marblessolveeverything · 23/04/2024 08:24

@Noyesnoyes what makes you think he wasn't? The law is based on the persons own opinion that is the bar.

Really, people are okay with strangers touching them? Yep can see that going well as plenty have said their first reaction may be to strike out. It isn't difficult, keep your hands to yourself and use your words, the three year olds actually get this!

The law is based on a trial not the opinion of one person.

RadRoach · 23/04/2024 17:33

I would generally try to avoid touching any stranger but sometimes it’s necessary to get their attention.

I would stop short of a “sharp” tap though (which the OP concedes might have been sharper than she intended). There’s a difference between tapping someone to get their attention and physically reprimanding someone, and OP may have slightly transgressed that line.

dinomirror · 23/04/2024 17:10

CrikeyMajikey · 22/04/2024 23:20

Something similar happened to my family recently, it was at a secondary school show. During the intermission the noisy and annoying 17/18 year olds in the row behind us headed off but left their sweets behind, so I ate them! I think they were too stunned (or may be thought I was crazy) to argue when they asked who had taken them and I loudly said, “me, me, they’re my favourites, you don’t mind do you?”. Didn’t hear a squeak out of them in the second half.

I actually think this is really strange. You are a grown adult and instead of using your words you.... ate sweets? Seems a bit immature

Nanny0gg · 23/04/2024 17:10

BusyMummy001 · 23/04/2024 10:50

You weren’t in the wrong - however, I would never touch another person, especially a child, in that situation as it can always be misinterpreted and physical contact of any sort is generally forbidden these days. Eg teachers are not allowed in many schools to touch children to apply sunscreen.

Going forward, I’d still intervene but a loud ‘excuse me’ or tapping the arm of the chair would suffice.

I bet this 'child' was bigger than the OP...

AllyCart · 23/04/2024 17:10

Predictablenamechange1 · 23/04/2024 16:01

And I was responding? Isn't that the point of online forums?

It is indeed. I thought you were replying as if my previous post was aimed at you personally.

My mistake.

AllyCart · 23/04/2024 17:09

Alwaysalwayscold · 23/04/2024 14:18

How is that a low bar? Having strong morals, traditional values and not tolerating bullying?

And I'm a law abiding citizen. I'm productive, have children, attend church. Oh and I pay tax so I suppose that makes me valuable too.

Your society is brainwashed to think that your (appalling and failing) education system is the only route to success. It very much isn't.

Strong morals? Which bit?

Punching someone in the face for tapping you on the shoulder? Or punching the school child?

And "traditional values" is more bull.

'Traditionally' we used to drown and burn people accused of being witches. Great traditional values they were...

Nanny0gg · 23/04/2024 17:04

Alwaysalwayscold · 23/04/2024 07:43

I HATE people who are noisy in the theatre. But if you'd tapped me on the shoulder I'd have punched you in the face, without a doubt.

What on earth is wrong with tapping someone to get their attention?

Talk about over-reaction!

PotatoPudding · 23/04/2024 16:52

I don’t disagree with tapping him and asking him to be quiet but you probably got his and his mother’s backs up by telling him he was really annoying.

Predictablenamechange1 · 23/04/2024 16:42

DougJudysSisterTrudiesDog · 23/04/2024 16:28

@Predictablenamechange1 , have you heard of Tara Westover’s memoir Educated? I think you might find it interesting.

Not all judgement is prejudice/casual racism. For instance, I disagree very strongly with the Taliban for not allowing Afghan girls to be educated. That doesn’t make me prejudiced. My judgement is based on the fact that there are very strong correlations between educational attainment and personal fulfilment, successful career, stability, non criminality, better health, longer life, home ownership and so on. To deprive children of an education is not a mark of a well functioning society. Not to mention the human rights implications.

I have not. I'll look it up.

As I said though, my dad always said we were bright enough to make it anyway. And we did. I'm on the mumsnet fabled 'six figure salary' and my sibs aren't far off. And I wouldn't change my childhood for anything. At least it opened my mind a bit to other ways of living.

Realise this may not be appropriate or applicable for many kids, but it was for us.

fitzwilliamdarcy · 23/04/2024 16:30

Sign me up as another who'd like to get off this planet, please.

In my day we'd get two tellings off for behaving like that - one from the public, the second from our parents. Had we even raised the fact that we were tapped on the shoulder, it would've been a third telling off (because to get to that point, we'd have had to be behaving really badly).

Now parents ignore their children's behaviour and if anyone dares to admonish it they scream at them and accuse them of assault. And MN backs them up. That's modern parenting for you I guess.

No wonder we're losing so many teachers!

DougJudysSisterTrudiesDog · 23/04/2024 16:28

@Predictablenamechange1 , have you heard of Tara Westover’s memoir Educated? I think you might find it interesting.

Not all judgement is prejudice/casual racism. For instance, I disagree very strongly with the Taliban for not allowing Afghan girls to be educated. That doesn’t make me prejudiced. My judgement is based on the fact that there are very strong correlations between educational attainment and personal fulfilment, successful career, stability, non criminality, better health, longer life, home ownership and so on. To deprive children of an education is not a mark of a well functioning society. Not to mention the human rights implications.

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gindreams · 23/04/2024 16:17

@Alwaysalwayscold you sound utterly ghastly and more than a little pathetic

Predictablenamechange1 · 23/04/2024 16:09

DougJudysSisterTrudiesDog · 23/04/2024 13:13

@Predictablenamechange1 This is making me genuinely sad for you and your siblings and all that you missed out on.

The fact you went back to university is admirable, but also contradicts your point about not needing education to be successful.

Don't be sad for us, we all have pretty decent lives! Just maybe a bit different from the standard. My DB and DSIS are very successful in their field too. I'd rather the younger life I had than being forced into mainstream education.

I went back to uni because I had no skills to make it otherwise (practical etc) and despite being from the background I am I have ambition.

But the casual racism against gypsies is something I will always call out.

Predictablenamechange1 · 23/04/2024 16:01

AllyCart · 23/04/2024 13:10

Err... I wasn't talking to you.

I was replying to a specific post by someone else.

And I was responding? Isn't that the point of online forums?

CutthroatDruTheViolent · 23/04/2024 15:37

Alwaysalwayscold · 23/04/2024 14:18

How is that a low bar? Having strong morals, traditional values and not tolerating bullying?

And I'm a law abiding citizen. I'm productive, have children, attend church. Oh and I pay tax so I suppose that makes me valuable too.

Your society is brainwashed to think that your (appalling and failing) education system is the only route to success. It very much isn't.

...law-abiding citizen aside from the punching in the face anyone who dares tap you on the shoulder?

Noyesnoyes · 23/04/2024 15:09

Alwaysalwayscold · 23/04/2024 07:43

I HATE people who are noisy in the theatre. But if you'd tapped me on the shoulder I'd have punched you in the face, without a doubt.

Yeah of course you would GrinGrin

ToxicChristmas · 23/04/2024 15:04

While I wouldn't have tapped him (because I could predict an overly hysterical response from someone claiming assault/violence/abuse) I would have either told him to shut up or stood up and got an usher.
I went to a play last year and a teenage school group were a nightmare. Loud talking, giggling, throwing food, phones on flasing away. Everyone gritted their teeth for a long while until a big bloke stood up, pointed his finger and shouted SHUT THE FUCK UP! There was a total silence from both the audience and the stage for a few moments, then the two people supervising the kids ushered them out. While it wasn't perhaps the most diplomatic and sensible of solutions, it worked. Big bloke was spoken to by the ushers, but remained for the rest of the play. I felt sorry for the actors, but the two seconds of swearing was better than the kids ruining the entire play for everyone.

Allfur · 23/04/2024 14:50

Alwaysalwayscold · 23/04/2024 12:08

I put the rate of exclusions etc down to a racist education system that is set up to completely alienate and discriminate against gypsy children.

I was excluded from school because the teacher tried to force me to sit for a lesson about sex that my belief system did not allow me to sit through.
I was excluded from school for hitting a child who was bullying my younger sibling.

These to me are examples of being successful. Education is not.

What belief system doesn't allow sex education?

Allfur · 23/04/2024 14:49

And females raising their voice is very much frowned upon in our society

Rainydayinlondon · 23/04/2024 14:40

Presumably OP tapped him because otherwise she would have had to raise her voice which would have disturbed the audience further.

LakeTiticaca · 23/04/2024 14:31

Shan5474 · 23/04/2024 12:01

@LakeTiticaca Gentle parenting still has consequences, you’re confusing it with zero parenting. I’m glad we don’t still live in a time when it’s ok to threaten children with violence

Unfortunately we are now living in a time where the children are the ones threatening violence, and often carrying it out.
So what do you suggest to stop it?

Alwaysalwayscold · 23/04/2024 14:18

AllyCart · 23/04/2024 12:31

I was excluded from school because the teacher tried to force me to sit for a lesson about sex that my belief system did not allow me to sit through.
I was excluded from school for hitting a child who was bullying my younger sibling.

These to me are examples of being successful. Education is not.

What hope of raising law abiding, productive and valuable citizens with a bar set so low.

How is that a low bar? Having strong morals, traditional values and not tolerating bullying?

And I'm a law abiding citizen. I'm productive, have children, attend church. Oh and I pay tax so I suppose that makes me valuable too.

Your society is brainwashed to think that your (appalling and failing) education system is the only route to success. It very much isn't.

Rainydayinlondon · 23/04/2024 14:14

TheaBrandt · 23/04/2024 07:15

In the interests of balance we went to an avant garde Shakespeare which is a gcse text and it was packed with teenagers. Hundreds of them with about 2 teachers.

Beautifully behaved. Not a peep. Except it was quite ridiculous and there were teething problems with one scene that was unintentionally funny and they laughed as did Dh and I.

I wonder if this was the performance my DD went to. (The Scottish play??) She mentioned something happening which was funny

Flocke · 23/04/2024 14:02

Whatifthehokeycokey · 23/04/2024 13:51

I really think the stewards should do a better job of policing this kind of behaviour and asking audience members to be quiet or leave. It's not fair to expect other members of the audience to marshal each other like this; it basically puts you in an impossible situation.

They should but I think the problem is the noisy twats know there's not actually anything the staff can do about it. They can't physically throw them out.
I was in the cinema once and a big family of about 12 came in. All loudly talking and carrying alcohol etc. One child around 12 who looked embarrassed. Two of them started arguing just as the film was starting. They were full on shouting at each other over the start of the movie. Two staff members came in and said they needed to be quiet or leave. The people just replied "yeah try and make me." In the end the film was stopped and we were all told to leave. We just went and got a refund and went home. No idea what happened with the family. They were still shouting and swearing telling the staff to put the film back on. I don't know how that would work in a theatre.