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To wonder what is dangerous about my child’s lunch

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NameChangeAK · 22/04/2024 20:20

I received a message from school today saying my child’s lunch contained a prohibited item and to please review the policy “as there are children with severe allergies and it’s dangerous not to comply”

I don’t usually provide packed lunches - DC has school meals, but they did like todays meal options.

Ive responded and asked what the item was but waiting for a response, but I’m confused - it’s clearly a nut free school but I can’t see anything else anywhere about other banned foods

the packed lunch contained:

  • ham sandwich (with butter) on brown bread
  • apple
  • frube (strawberry flavour)
  • carton of own brand apple juice
  • Pepperami
  • babybel

any ideas what could be the problem or Aibu to think they’ve mistaken the ham as peanut butter or something ridiculous?

OP posts:
twoshedsjackson · 23/04/2024 17:24

I'm glad the school has now clarified, the explanation about frubes squirting makes sense and you probably don't want to stir, but could you point out that you had to prepare something "on the hop" because the only meat options contained beef, which you do not eat for religious reasons?
I guess they'd point out that there was a veggie option, so probably not worth it, but the "awkward squaddie" in my nature feels that if they can be picky without proper explanation........

ReadingSoManyThreads · 23/04/2024 17:20

I personally, would respond to them stating very firmly that you are shocked that they have not informed parents of this matter. Such a serious dairy allergy, which we know just touching the product can kill (the poor boy who died when cheese touched his neck at school), that you actually consider them to be negligent in safeguarding the child at risk, and therefore, you're reporting them to Ofsted and the LA. Their current stance of just checking lunchboxes is not robust enough, as products could get overlooked or slip through the net depending on staffing levels etc.

Shame on them. I used to work in Allergen management, and think it's appalling that they've not informed parents of this. They need to be more careful.

CelesteCunningham · 23/04/2024 17:14

Iwasafool · 23/04/2024 17:09

Mine are in their 30s and we had weird rules. I objected to Kitkats being OK but Twix were banned. Both are biscuits covered in chocolate. I can't remember the other rules but the Kitkat/twix unfairness stays with me as I like a Twix, particularly if it has come straight from the fridge.

That reminds me of my friend who told us she had given up chocolate bars for Lent as she tucked into a Time Out - it was fine because it was a biscuit, not a bar Grin

Scirocco · 23/04/2024 17:12

NameChangeAK · 23/04/2024 08:21

They have responded to say it was not a mistaken message. It was indeed the frube. There is a child with a severe dairy allergy. Whilst there is not a blanket ban on all dairy, there is a risk this could squirt/splatter so more risky. They have informed ‘many parents’ in the past but there has not been a full school communication.

I wish they had just explained that in their original message!

I was just about to say it could be the frube - accidental squirting can be a hazard for children with severe allergies. It's a shame the school hadn't been clearer about that in advance.

Hankunamatata · 23/04/2024 17:10

They banned yogurts in dc primary after some exploding in lunch box's

Perfectly fine pack lunch BTW totally what my dc would have taken

Iwasafool · 23/04/2024 17:09

Tukto · 23/04/2024 14:34

My DC are mid 20s now so at primary school in the 00s. There were no rules but I did send an apple back and forth every day for my own conscience. DS1 survived on white bread and jam sandwiches and a frube.

Mine are in their 30s and we had weird rules. I objected to Kitkats being OK but Twix were banned. Both are biscuits covered in chocolate. I can't remember the other rules but the Kitkat/twix unfairness stays with me as I like a Twix, particularly if it has come straight from the fridge.

Viviennemary · 23/04/2024 17:08

The school are being idiots for not saying what it was and why as it certainly isn't obvious.

BellaTheDarkOverlord · 23/04/2024 17:08

It always makes me laugh when mumsnet has to specify the amount/sizes of food that is acceptable for a lunchbox. It can’t be a full sandwich, one piece of fruit and a drink, has to be:

2 triangles of a tuna sandwich
3 and a quarter cubes of cheese
9 grated slithers of a carrot
a fingernail width of a sprout
a 3mx3m tub of natural yogurt with a barrel full of honey
a thimble of water

Any more food than the above and my dd would be absolutely stuffed.

😂

Switcher · 23/04/2024 17:04

MississippiAF · 23/04/2024 17:01

In cubes, no less!

Only 2-3 cubes per person though. After that a drone pops up and shouts at you to stop eating.

MississippiAF · 23/04/2024 17:01

patchworkpal · 23/04/2024 17:00

Maybe you just squeeze them and grueyre pops out.

In cubes, no less!

CheshireCat1 · 23/04/2024 17:00

I’m allergic to pepperoni.

patchworkpal · 23/04/2024 17:00

Switcher · 23/04/2024 16:55

Only French cows from the correct parts of France. Didn't you know they are pure even if you process the cheese? British cows are processed though, from the off they're UPFs. We even have concrete ones! 😁

Maybe you just squeeze them and grueyre pops out.

Growlybear83 · 23/04/2024 16:59

I was pleased to see the OP's update. I can fully understand the school's approach if they have to think about a child with a severe allergy, but I don't think it's right for schools to generally police what parents put in their children's packed lunches otherwise, unless they are being given something really extreme. Most people don't really care too much about having a bit of processed food, and I know from my experience of working with schools that some of them really do use some really crappy ingredients in the lunches.

Iwasafool · 23/04/2024 16:59

PurpleCacao · 23/04/2024 11:09

Lots of clueless posts from people not understanding the difference between processed foods and UPF on this thread, which is fine. It’s a newish concept and there’s a lot to learn. But there is a tangible difference. It’s not just snobbery or nonsense.

Yes, all bread and cheese is processed food. That’s fine and not unhealthy.

Some bread and cheese is ultra-processed food. Bread baked fresh at Sainsburys bakery is simply processed. Sainsbury’s “sliced white bread” on the shelf, however, contains various emulsifiers and rapeseed oil, and is ultra-processed.

To answer the quoted question Babybel vs Gruyere. Actually neither are UPF. Gruyere has one ingredient - milk. Babybel actually has only a few ingredients - Cheese, salt, lactic ferments, rennet. Babybel is just edam. Any anti-babybel sentiment is just snobbery.

Frubes vs natural yog is probably a better example. Natural yoghurt is just a couple of ingredients - milk, and bacterial cultures. Frubes contain guar gum and “flavouring” - plus stabilisers, regulators and thickeners. It is an UPF.

The science is still emerging, but Ultra Processed Foods have been shown to have an adverse effect on gut health, as well as strong links to diabetes, cancer, heart disease, depression, obesity and low life expectancy.

The main ultra-processed ingredients you want to look out for are emulsifiers, flavourings and stabilisers, things like malted barley extract (in most cereals), hydrogenated oils and seed oils, and “natural flavourings”. Any extra ingredients that have been added to aid in industrial food processing, for ease of shaping, flavouring, etc, and for cheapness.

The OpenFoodFacts app is great for checking if something is a UPF.

How has gruyere only got one ingredient? Surely it has to have at least two, milk and a culture? Probably has rennet as well.

Jwhb · 23/04/2024 16:56

RosesAndHellebores · 23/04/2024 07:33

Generic letter because they disapproved of what was in the lunchbox.

Ham - processed
Babybel -processed
Frube - processed
Peppermint- processed
Apple Juice - the small cartons are rarely 100% pressed/squeezed

In the kindest possible way @Hopper123 that was a lunchbox jammed with UPFs.

Better choices would have been:
Chicken, tuna or egg sandwich
Fresh fruit - endless choices and combinations
2/3 cubes of gruyere
Small container with natural Greek Yoghurt and a drizzle of honey
Water instead of juice

Chicken, tuna or egg sandwich - processed. Or at least I hope so, as raw chicken is not known to be a health food
Fresh fruit - endless choices and combinations
2/3 cubes of gruyere - processed
Small container with natural Greek Yoghurt - processed - and a drizzle of honey - processed
Water instead of juice

If you're going to critique someone's rushed lunch choices for their child, at least learn what processing means. Unless you're on a raw vegan diet, you're eating food that is processed. And that's fine.

Switcher · 23/04/2024 16:55

Iwasafool · 23/04/2024 16:48

And obviously not processed, I wonder where you find the cows that produce gruyère rather than milk that gets processed to produce cheese?

Only French cows from the correct parts of France. Didn't you know they are pure even if you process the cheese? British cows are processed though, from the off they're UPFs. We even have concrete ones! 😁

patchworkpal · 23/04/2024 16:53

RosesAndHellebores · 23/04/2024 07:33

Generic letter because they disapproved of what was in the lunchbox.

Ham - processed
Babybel -processed
Frube - processed
Peppermint- processed
Apple Juice - the small cartons are rarely 100% pressed/squeezed

In the kindest possible way @Hopper123 that was a lunchbox jammed with UPFs.

Better choices would have been:
Chicken, tuna or egg sandwich
Fresh fruit - endless choices and combinations
2/3 cubes of gruyere
Small container with natural Greek Yoghurt and a drizzle of honey
Water instead of juice

You think Gruyere isn't processed?

patchworkpal · 23/04/2024 16:50

Iaskedyouthrice · 23/04/2024 16:26

You are welcome @patchworkpal I was always worried about all the stodge they were eating so went on a mission. I never had time to worry day to day about what to put in their lunch (Or a huge budget either), so tried making it as healthy and practical as possible Loaf of bread, filler, sorted.

You've genuinely saved me so much time. I really appreciate it

Iwasafool · 23/04/2024 16:48

Switcher · 23/04/2024 10:22

Off topic but I am pissing myself at "cubes of gruyère". Couldn't just be cheddar, could it!

And obviously not processed, I wonder where you find the cows that produce gruyère rather than milk that gets processed to produce cheese?

Needanewname42 · 23/04/2024 16:35

Overthebow · 23/04/2024 15:01

Are schools really banning things like dairy and sesame? I'd be pretty annoyed if I was a parent at that school, dairy is one of the man food groups and important for kids diets. Also the expense and time taken to buy food without these things. I can understand the frube issue as they do squirt everywhere, but banning dairy and other allergens completely is going too far.

No they generally don't ban dairy.
This particular school has banned frubes due to the tiny risk of them squirting on a child with allergies.

I going to guess the other have of the reason is kids struggle to open them and kids do make a mess with frubes.

My kids afterschool don't like them or other yougarts either because of the mess and the possibility of them turning / going off in the summer heat especially if they've been out in a park all day.

Needmorelego · 23/04/2024 16:33

@AmethystSparkles I wonder if the Babybel wax is ultra processed 🤔
Probably at least one child every year at the average primary school eats the wax 😂

AmethystSparkles · 23/04/2024 16:28

B1anche · 23/04/2024 15:31

Reporting this for obscenity!

🤣

Iaskedyouthrice · 23/04/2024 16:26

You are welcome @patchworkpal I was always worried about all the stodge they were eating so went on a mission. I never had time to worry day to day about what to put in their lunch (Or a huge budget either), so tried making it as healthy and practical as possible Loaf of bread, filler, sorted.

AmethystSparkles · 23/04/2024 16:25

@RosesAndHellebores Babybels are not processed…they’re just ordinary Edam.

And hummus is full of refined rapeseed oil (plus it contains sesame seeds). I made it myself once with extra virgin olive oil and it was revolting.

Iaskedyouthrice · 23/04/2024 16:17

Amazing @valensiwalensi 👏🤣

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