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She blames me for pneumonia

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Charliesunnysky10 · 22/04/2024 12:04

My 16 year old daughter had an occasional cough and I took her to the GP twice who said it was just a residual cough from an earlier virus and might last 3 months. A month later I took her to hospital where she remained for 2 weeks fighting a very severe pneumonia. I never left her side and while I was at my lowest place, I stayed strong and positive for her, constantly researching how to help her to get better. It was likely missed because she's a fit and healthy teenager who was disguising the symptoms until her overworked immune system was overpowered by a separate additional viral infection.
This morning I was curling her hair and accidentally sprayed hair protector near her drink. She snapped at me that it's this carelessness that caused her pneumonia. I should have laughed it off or ignored her but it broke my heart. I've little perspective on this because not had time to see my friends, put my life and work on hold to support her and help her get well. My choice, but it was necessary as she has her GCSE's in 2 weeks. I'm the adult here, but I snapped back that it's nobody's fault. Just bad luck, and she needs to be mindful of her hurtful words.
I can't stop crying. I'm so upset that she accused me of accepting the GP's opinion. I have pushed back when being fobbed off or ignored so many times in hospital and at outpatient appointments since she was diagnosed - I wish I'd had the foresight and conviction to do it then. She really touched a nerve. I'm her mum. I should have known. But I'm still angry that she blames me.

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Topseyt123 · 28/04/2024 16:47

User1979289 · 25/04/2024 12:11

I'd have profusely apologised and put the curler down and said "You're right, I am careless and maybe I made you so ill, I'd better stop doing so much for you so you can be happier and healthier without me" and then done NOTHING for her until she apologised.

I'm afraid that would have been my likely response too. It would have hit the spot.

Charliesunnysky10 · 28/04/2024 16:37

coxesorangepippin · 28/04/2024 16:27

This morning I was curling her hair and accidentally sprayed hair protector near her drink. She snapped at me that it's this carelessness that caused her pneumonia

^

Ahem.

Let me guess, you have a gentle parenting approach

Not normally, I'm told by the kids that I'm loving, but pretty strict. However, 2 weeks in hospital was draining for us both, one with pneumonia, the other worried sick because day by day she's getting worse. So, as I explained, I'm more relaxed and being gentle on both of us because we've been through a lot.

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Boomer55 · 28/04/2024 16:31

Teenagers do tend to thrash about, blaming everyone else for everything.

Hopefully, she’ll grow up soon.😉

coxesorangepippin · 28/04/2024 16:27

This morning I was curling her hair and accidentally sprayed hair protector near her drink. She snapped at me that it's this carelessness that caused her pneumonia

^

Ahem.

Let me guess, you have a gentle parenting approach

BabaBarrio · 28/04/2024 16:26

Charliesunnysky10 · 26/04/2024 11:55

@BabaBarrio Thank you so much. School have said she's not struggling at all during lessons with tiredness or with concentration during the 2 HR practice exams they did this week. She scored full marks in one and the highest in the other and she says she wants to do it on her own and know she didn't get help so there's not much scope to intervene. It's good to know though, in case things go downhill at any point. Thank you again x

While her work ethic is admirable and she is obviously academically talented, refusing the special consideration she is entitled to does put her at a disadvantage compared to her peers.

These allowances are to even the playing field, to make it fair for her, they are not to help her as in get an unfair leg up. I do wonder what the school might have said about it to influence her into thinking it is “help” when it isn’t.

I am surprised the school rejected it out of hand. They sound work shy imho, like they don’t want the ball ache of submitting the paperwork.

Charliesunnysky10 · 26/04/2024 11:55

@BabaBarrio Thank you so much. School have said she's not struggling at all during lessons with tiredness or with concentration during the 2 HR practice exams they did this week. She scored full marks in one and the highest in the other and she says she wants to do it on her own and know she didn't get help so there's not much scope to intervene. It's good to know though, in case things go downhill at any point. Thank you again x

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DirtyCheeseBurger · 25/04/2024 22:26

She just needs someone/ something to blame..Not acceptable but understandable after what she's been through.

BabaBarrio · 25/04/2024 22:20

For 3% consideration instead of 4%, JCQ regulation lists a “recent illness of a more serious nature”
with recent defined as “up to four months prior to the examination”

Being hospitalised for weeks for pneumonia is a serious illness.

Your DD should qualify for the 3% at a minimum, and may qualify for the 4%

She blames me for pneumonia
BabaBarrio · 25/04/2024 22:12

That’s not exactly right. They can apply to circumstances that happen immediately before or during.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/regulating-gcses-as-and-a-levels-guide-for-schools-and-colleges-2022/special-consideration

”Special consideration
Support for students affected by illness, injury, or other events outside of their control.
Ofqual defines special consideration as any adjustments given to a student who has temporarily experienced an illness, injury, or other event outside of their control at the time of the assessment which significantly affects their ability to:

  • take an assessment
  • demonstrate what they can do in an assessment

Special consideration is only for things that happen immediately before or during an exam or assessment that has a material effect on a student’s ability to take that exam or assessment, or on how they performed. To be eligible for special consideration students must have been fully prepared for the assessment and have covered the whole course. Students are not eligible for special consideration because their education was disrupted, either by the pandemic or for any other reason.”

and JCQ p7 says for a “very serious problem” like a “life threatening illness of candidate” and only during the assessment- which isn’t the same as on the day of the exam.
https://www.jcq.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/Guideto_spec_con_process_2023_24_FINAL.pdf

She blames me for pneumonia
Charliesunnysky10 · 25/04/2024 22:02

@BabaBarrio How awful. I'm so sorry you went through that - so scary. This was one reason I never left her side. I hope you also had some good support x

@UserNMCHNG That's very kind of you - thank you. It took a lot out of me, trying to keep her spirits up, encouraging her to eat and have little walks to look out of the window etc, Then keeping on top of her meds & pain relief, sorting out the next steps, x-rays, my own work situation and home etc. And with a few hours sleep, but honestly I know people who do this for months on end, even years...so brave. It just wiped me out, those weeks x

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Charliesunnysky10 · 25/04/2024 21:50

@BabaBarrio Thank you. There's a lot of wisdom and perspective in your post x

I've been into school and their hands are tied. Extenuating circumstances can only be applied to disadvantages on the day of the exam - she's recovering now and unless God forbid, she got ill again, that loss of revision time doesn't count. However she's working hard now to make up for it. Luckily she took no subjects with coursework or languages as these would have been right after her hospital discharge x

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UserNMCHNG · 25/04/2024 21:48

Flowers hope you get some rest now OP and I'm glad your DD is on the up.

Just wanted to say you sound like a brilliant mum. Your daughter has said something hurtful but she was probably exhausted. And as you said in a pp. If you weren't exhausted yourself from the ordeal you probably would have brushed off her words and forgotten about them.

look after yourself

BabaBarrio · 25/04/2024 21:45

I have had pneumonia as a teen and it is scary. At one point my temperature was so high, I was hallucinating. There were many nights in hospital that, I seriously thought if I fell asleep, I would die. I would continue to go easy on her. It’s a lot for both of you to have gone through.

Charliesunnysky10 · 25/04/2024 21:39

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 25/04/2024 19:00

Not necessarily a misdiagnosis. See my pp above.

@GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER Your situation was the first time that I'd considered that even if they'd done bloods and listened to her chest (particularly the 2nd time I took her a fortnight before she was admitted) they might not have diagnosed pneumonia, as she went downhill pretty fast. However she did have chest pain when she breathed a week after the 2nd GP appointment, which I thought was a pulled muscle from a sports trial where she'd really pushed herself and I'll be honest, I was dreading darkening the GP surgery door a 3rd time. The decision was taken out of my hands when she called out me in the night with a raging temp and shortness of breath and 111 sent us to an out of hours GP who but a stethoscope on her back and said it was pneumonia x

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BabaBarrio · 25/04/2024 21:37

Pneumonia is life threatening and perhaps she wasn’t saying you were personally careless, because she has a point that the GP was careless and carelessness did lead to her developing pneumonia. Her words were “it’s this sort of carelessness that…” I don’t think she meant you, your carelessness…she has a right to be angry at the GP and the NHS for almost making her a sad statistic with a coroners inquest on ‘missed opportunities.’ I understand why you took it personally, it was a clumsy way for her to word things, but she’s had a near death experience.

On a side note- ‘My choice, but it was necessary as she has her GCSE's in 2 weeks.’ Have you asked the school to work with the exam board on this? She has been so ill, I think that she should get an extenuating circumstances letter so her grades can be assessed accordingly.

Charliesunnysky10 · 25/04/2024 21:29

@Anametolove I'm so sorry you went through that, awful terrifying illnesses. That was so serious and I'm glad you made a good recovery.

I made representation on her behalf every day while in hospital and as an outpatient, and have had several discussions with school. Most of it has been out of earshot as I didn't want to risk her being upset. But she's been party to a few conversations with bedflow managers and ward staff, when we've been let down or ignored and she knows I'm 100% with her. What I won't do is kick off for the sake of it when there's nothing to be gained. And she knows that too.

However, she doesn't appreciate it when I offer an alternative viewpoint. Example, a girl she sits next to is boy-mad and my daughter avoids her at freetime as she says she's boring, but admits this girl has nobody to hang out with and I asked my daughter to try seeing it from her point of view and maybe getting a bit of a conversation going about other stuff. But she then does the 'you're always seeing it from everyone else's perspective but mine'.

I will bear what you said in mind though. It's a very valuable point of view x

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GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 25/04/2024 19:00

Irridescantshimmmer · 25/04/2024 12:47

It was a miss diagnosis by a GP which lead to the pneumonia.

You need to make this clear to her and instill some boundaries so she stops her attitude towards you.

Not necessarily a misdiagnosis. See my pp above.

Charliesunnysky10 · 25/04/2024 15:38

@GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER That sent chills! How terrifying for you. And so similar to our experience, in terms of onset, presentation, length of hospital stay and on antibiotics. She has just switched from IV antibiotics to oral ones. I'm so glad you've made a good recovery. Thank you for sharing your story - it gives me some insight into how it might have been missed too x

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Anametolove · 25/04/2024 12:48

A bit of a different perspective here; I am very unfairly (still) blaming my MIL for not helping me when I had pneumonia, I had a horrendous cough for weeks, was alone as DH was away on a business trip abroad, and one day I felt so weak that I messaged my MIL asking for help, and that I didn't feel able to get out of bed to take my daughter to nursery which is 10mn away. Very unlike me, first time I had ever asked her for help on anything. I asked her to come and help me, she didn't work on that day and lives 20mn away by car, and she didn't come. She advised me to 'work from home', completely misunderstanding the situation and how unwell I was (it wasn't even a question of me working, I could barely stand up).
When you're already very weak, you don't have the strength to advocate for yourself, so you just plough through hoping to get better. The GP didn't help me, my own MIL didn't help me and I felt completely abandoned.
DH came back from his trip and took me again to the GP who urgently sent me to A&E. By that point I was in the early stages of sepsis, full blown pneumonia in both lungs and placed in intensive care.
It took me a year to recover fully.
I am still resentful to my MIL to this day and it really damaged our relationship.

Your case is very different, but you need to understand your daughter went through the scariest moment of her life. If anything, it would probably help her that you showed some anger at the GP for not giving her the right diagnosis, or at her school for not allowing her to push her exams.Otherwise, how can she feel like she has a strong advocate in you? Some circumstances warrant some raised voices, whether it is with how GPs failed to see what was happening or with the school. Otherwise she will see you as a person who just won't support her when circumstances get difficult and just takes it on the chin without fighting for her.

Reading your post I have no doubt you are a fantastic mum who did her best, and she is unfair to you, but this is just to enlighten you a bit on her (probable) emotional turmoil.

Irridescantshimmmer · 25/04/2024 12:47

It was a miss diagnosis by a GP which lead to the pneumonia.

You need to make this clear to her and instill some boundaries so she stops her attitude towards you.

Crikeyalmighty · 25/04/2024 12:34

They really can be total arses at this age- my son blamed me for not picking up the fact he had ADHD when he was younger- to be honest he just came over as a bit of an odd bod at times and it wasn't talked about as much.

Quartz2208 · 25/04/2024 12:28

Extra time no for exams but she get ask for special consideration for them so I would try and get that sorted.

it is hard on everybody and sometimes people say things they don’t mean at the people they love the most

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 25/04/2024 12:25

Pneumonia can hit very suddenly, and very hard.

Last year I saw the GP with a very nasty bug I hadn’t been able to shake off after over 10 days. But no actual pain or difficulty with breathing.

Just a virus, he said, and to be fair, having checked me over properly.

That same evening, pneumonia hit me like an express train - sudden onset of shallow, painful breathing. 111, ambulance, blue-lighted to hospital, where pneumonia was followed immediately by pleurisy.
I was in hospital for 3 weeks and on ABs for 5 weeks altogether.

It took me several weeks to recover properly (I had a partially collapsed lung etc.) but was lucky to have been relatively fit in the first place.
🤞your dd recovers fully soon. I’m sure the illness will really have knocked her for six.

User1979289 · 25/04/2024 12:11

I'd have profusely apologised and put the curler down and said "You're right, I am careless and maybe I made you so ill, I'd better stop doing so much for you so you can be happier and healthier without me" and then done NOTHING for her until she apologised.

Charliesunnysky10 · 25/04/2024 12:08

@CrispieCake That's very sound advice -thank you.

My hubby collected her from school instead of me (he's a quiet man of few words and they're very close). He told her it's not acceptable and I've been very upset.

She could see I'd been crying and apologised (which I thanked her for and left it at that) though she did say she didn't mean it and she can't help herself sometimes.

To be fair a good chunk of my tears were from the understanding replies. To feel like somebody cares enough to offer support and kind words is everything as I've not been out of hospital or home this past month, and didn't realise how much that's probably affected me

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