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To think my child might have behavioural problems?

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imfindingithardnow · 22/04/2024 09:53

He is nearly 3 and a half. He doesn’t seem to listen to me or to his dad at all. Yesterday he seemed to go absolutely wild, he asked for a drink and I gave it to him and then he poured it all over the floor and ran in it then all through the house laughing. He climbed onto the roof and was running round laughing hysterically. He demands things and screams at me when I say no. His eating is quite poor in a way: if you don’t feed him he doesn’t really eat.

He attends preschool 3 days a week and no concerns have been reported. Not really sure what to do.

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imfindingithardnow · 22/04/2024 18:54

@TinkerTiger it isn’t helpful to be stuck on the roof in either a literal or figurative sense.

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TinkerTiger · 22/04/2024 17:42

I'm sorry I'm still stuck on the roof. I know you say it wasn't on your watch but how does anyone leave a 3.5 year old, yet alone one with such behavioural issues as yours, unsupervised long enough to enable him to do this?

The only child I've cared for who tried to do this was a 6 year old autistic child. His aim in life was to escape, but he was never left unsupervised 🫣

imfindingithardnow · 22/04/2024 16:23

He can and he does but I find this is a huge contributor to the poor behaviour as he is dangerous (this was the precursor to the roof incident) and he demands to go out all of the time. We do plenty and I get him out a lot because he’s generally easier out and about.

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PTSDBarbiegirl · 22/04/2024 16:19

Can he go outside and play with practical 'real' things, is your outside environment safe enough for him to play. What I mean by ignore is that it makes such a huge impact on a kid that age to intentionally not give eye contact, physical contact etc for bursts of time. Physically turn your body and face away. The second there's an improvement then refer to it, "I like you are using quiet voice, good" etc but dont say anything else then give a physical deep pressure hug. Google 'heavy work jobs for 4 Yr olds'. Try to avoid meaningless praise... Martial arts are great for little energetic physical risk takers, Karate for kids.

imfindingithardnow · 22/04/2024 15:57

Sorry if I was a little sensitive.

Talking to DS about anything is challenging, he either changes the subject and rambles on about unrelated things or he just repeats / screams eg I WANT TO GO OUTSIDE.

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foreverbasil · 22/04/2024 15:56

I wasn't meaning to criticise. I was just trying to make suggestions. I do understand how difficult it is with a young child with very challenging behaviour. I have been there. Developmentally they are at an age where they have such big feelings and can't express them.
When he's calm I would try to chat about emotions and give names to some of those feelings so that he can tell you more clearly how he might be feeling. My daughter was better once her vocabulary improved.
I wish you all the best, it is exhausting

imfindingithardnow · 22/04/2024 15:50

@PTSDBarbiegirl I’m definitely making more of an effort to do this. I’m not sure how effective it is being. Just gave him lots of praise for being super helpful in the supermarket (picking up one courgette!) and now we’re having huge tantrums because he wants to play with the hose pipe. Hard to ignore!

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PTSDBarbiegirl · 22/04/2024 15:48

Even negative attention can reinforce behaviours you don't want. I'd ignore as much of the little things as poss and try to only make small positive TRUE observations. "You carried the cup carefully, I am proud/I see you ate the banana, I feel happy you are full" it's amazing the difference this can make. He sounds very physical perhaps needing sensory feedback, try a mini Trampette. Can you make an indoor climbing wall with little grips and pegs, he's seeking certain sensations so providing safe alternatives might help. Give him a spade if you've got a garden get him digging holes and filling with water, make a water wall with guttering. He could be really bright and need more technical challenge in his play.

imfindingithardnow · 22/04/2024 15:45

VivaVivaa · 22/04/2024 15:44

generally I would say the crosser you get with him, even calm cross (if you see what I mean, very stern, very no nonsense) the funnier he finds it. I do find this very challenging. I feel I have no absolute control to fall back on

This is exactly like DS1. The few times I have absolutely screamed at him as he was genuinely close to killing himself or hurting someone else, he has laughed like it’s the funniest thing going. It’s extremely hard.

It’s awful. It’s as if they are feeding off your anger/distress. I know it isn’t like that but there have been times it’s felt that DS has been enjoying himself at my expense.

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imfindingithardnow · 22/04/2024 15:44

I would say we do have one @foreverbasil . Of course it isn’t rigid because life isn’t like that.

Re calling other people, I didn’t expect to get so much criticism. It happens maybe once every few months when absolutely nothing else is working. And to be honest I have no authority with him which gets me down. I can’t help but think he’s going to have a horrible life Sad

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VivaVivaa · 22/04/2024 15:44

generally I would say the crosser you get with him, even calm cross (if you see what I mean, very stern, very no nonsense) the funnier he finds it. I do find this very challenging. I feel I have no absolute control to fall back on

This is exactly like DS1. The few times I have absolutely screamed at him as he was genuinely close to killing himself or hurting someone else, he has laughed like it’s the funniest thing going. It’s extremely hard.

foreverbasil · 22/04/2024 15:42

I would suggest having a clear and predictable routine. Make sure you "cue" what is going to happen and give a warning when you're going out or completing an activity. Also as PP states make sure you give appropriate rewards for good behaviour and ignore bad behaviour when it's safe to do so.
Also I think you are really undermining your own "authority" by pretending to call other people to encourage him to behave. Make it clear to him that you are the one with the boundaries and expectations of his behaviour. It makes small children feel secure to know that someone is ( lovingly ) in charge

imfindingithardnow · 22/04/2024 15:39

@fromaytobe generally I would say the crosser you get with him, even calm cross (if you see what I mean, very stern, very no nonsense) the funnier he finds it. I do find this very challenging. I feel I have no absolute control to fall back on.

@caramac04 i would say what’s hard is he doesn’t seem to value anything. So for example if I told him we are not going to the park because of your behaviour he’d probably be angry for a while and then start acting up because of boredom or whatever so then I have to keep finding more and more things he can’t do or have!

@VivaVivaa thank you. “When he’s grounded and regulated, responsive parenting works well and he’s amenable to boundaries. When he’s out of control nothing works.” Sounds very like DS. I don’t find he’s out of control a lot but when he is it very quickly becomes a negative cycle. Yesterday really frightened me and I feel it’s not normal maybe?

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VivaVivaa · 22/04/2024 15:37

Also, what sort of pre school does he attend? When DS1 was at private nursery we never had anything of note handed over. We swapped him to a pre school attached to a primary school. Classes are smaller and the day is more structured than at nursery. It became apparent pretty quickly he was more prone to dysregulation and wild behaviour compared to other children. Again whether this is just an extreme immaturity thing or a true neurodiversity is unclear at the moment.

VivaVivaa · 22/04/2024 15:32

A lot of this sounds like DS1. He’s just turned 4 and has been this way for just over a year. He has hours/days of extreme wildness, where his behaviour is just out of control. He’ll push every boundary going and do very dangerous things as well. When he’s grounded and regulated, responsive parenting works well and he’s amenable to boundaries. When he’s out of control nothing works. He is also extremely demanding and sensitive to changes in his environment.

Im not sure if he is neurodiverse. It wouldn’t surprise me if he is and it wouldn’t surprise me if he isn’t. As someone said up thread, this isn’t outside of the realms of normal for a 3 or 4 yo. If it still persists at 6 or 7 then it would be pathological. I think, by 3 or 4 some DC have very mature self soothing/self regulating abilities. Some really don’t, like our DC.

DS1 needs a lot of exercise (I’m taking at least 5km on his balance bike per day and a run around at the park or equivalent), lots of food, lots of enforced resting and lots of sleep. He also needs a watertight routine. Do you have these basics nailed down? Despite this, he can still be out of control, but days when he is out of kilter are definitely worse.

caramac04 · 22/04/2024 15:32

Re boundaries and consequences. Punishment in itself is rarely helpful. However, good behaviour should result in a reward - most often this should be your time and interaction. Can include a trip to the park where you play with him (or he plays with others but you are present enough to talk about his fun time on the way home). Every day spend one on one time child led play. If he likes drawing for example let him tell you all
about his picture.
As far as possible ignore his challenging behaviour and model good behaviour. Consequences could be missing out on an activity he was anticipating but replaced with one of lesser value to him. Totally ignoring him as opposed to his behaviour will likely escalate challenging behaviour.
I agree with pp re speaking to HV who may be able to refer you to a Solihull programme if they’re available in your area.

fromaytobe · 22/04/2024 15:27

imfindingithardnow · 22/04/2024 15:19

Probably true but then boundaries are only good if they listen to them and consequences if they care so what would you suggest, genuinely?

Genuinely? How 'cross' do you get with him? Does he ever get upset after a telling-off or cry? Because if not, and he just laughs at you, then you need to be a lot more forthright. You also need to be absolutely consistent, and never let him get away with things sometimes.

When was the last time you said "DO AS YOU ARE TOLD!!" and insisted that he did what you asked? And then followed it through to the bitter end until he did it?

imfindingithardnow · 22/04/2024 15:19

fromaytobe · 22/04/2024 14:32

Your boundaries and consequences are not firm enough.

Probably true but then boundaries are only good if they listen to them and consequences if they care so what would you suggest, genuinely?

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imfindingithardnow · 22/04/2024 15:17

No one is using you as bad guys. Please don’t make my thread about you.

Re the roof, it isn’t habitually unsecured and it wasn’t on my watch incidentally but what does concern me is the absolute lack of response, no concern at all for his own safety, just finds it funny. Obviously if it’s bad parenting that’s one thing but I am wondering if it is possibly more than that.

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TomeTome · 22/04/2024 14:53

So secure the area so he can’t get on the roof. If he does anything remotely similar you have a plan for what you will do. Consequences are best when they are immediate and linked logically to the behaviour. You think of what you want him to do instead of the poor behaviour and make that easy and poor behaviour hard.

hoarahloux · 22/04/2024 14:48

Please don't use his preschool teachers as the bad guys. We don't want him coming to preschool thinking we're going to tell him off. Probably same for Granddad.

User79853257976 · 22/04/2024 14:43

How did he get on the roof before anyone stopped him?

Icanseethebeach · 22/04/2024 14:36

I think you should ring the HV and ask for some advice/support. He may have behavioural issues in which case parenting will he harder or it maybe that you need to change the way you’re parenting because heisn’t responding to it. Not all methods work for all children. I wouldn’t be ‘ringing someone else’ this is like when parents say I will tell the police man. It sends the message that you’re not in charge.

What consequence did you give for climbing on the roof and pouring water on the floor?

fromaytobe · 22/04/2024 14:32

Your boundaries and consequences are not firm enough.

fleur89 · 22/04/2024 14:28

Apparently my husband was like this in childhood and he now suspects he had ODD.

childmind.org/guide/quick-guide-to-oppositional-defiant-disorder/

He grew out of it as he grew up and changing schools helped as a teenager. His problem was being exceptionally bright and therefore easily bored and disruptive / disrespectful in dealing with that.

He ended up at Cambridge on a scholarship and is now a partner in a big US law firm - to the surprise of many former teachers! He needed to be pushed academically to relieve his frustrations and once he understood the consequences misbehaving would have on his prospects things got much better.

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