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To do this at a child's party where I was the facepainter

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BrickTraybake · 21/04/2024 13:30

I am trying to establish a small business as a facepainter just to earn a little extra money.

Yesterday I did a childs birthday party for one of the mums at my DSS's school. I did it at a discount price for her as she said she would recommend me to all the other mums and she is the PTA and said she can get me a slot at school fairs.

I have a system where I get the children interested in having their facepainted to write down their name on the list and then I call them when it's their turn so there's not loads of bored kids queueing. The parents sign next to the child's name to say they consent to me painting their face and then they tick a box if they consent to me using images for promotion. It's worked well so far.

So yesterday one mum puts a massive X in the photo consent box and writes next to it NO PHOTOS NO SOCIAL MEDIA!! fair enough.

When it came to that child's turn, I wrote next to her name "pink Tshirt" just to remind me of who she was in case I accidently got her in the background of a pic.

Mum paid up, everyone happy. Then later on Facebook I saw her post thanking everyone for coming to the party and the mum of pink t-shirt girl wrote underneath "thanks for inviting us! Shame facepainter wrote down details of what my child was wearing?? Bit odd 😂" and the mum shock-reacted it.

I'm so upset. I was so looking forward to hopefully getting more party bookings and a place at the school fairs. This was only my third party and now I'm worried this mum will gossip that I'm a wierdo and I won't get any more.

Was I in the wrong? Should I reply??

OP posts:
waterrat · 21/04/2024 15:27

I also would definitely NOT write in public 'as you requested' as that is private information. She might be a victim of domestic abuse?

I work in a role involving photos of children and there are many very good reasons a parent would be really terrified of their child being identified.

Also - any parent has a right to say no - their child isn't your business model/ product - Im not sure it's a great idea anyway tbh.

Maddy70 · 21/04/2024 15:26

Bluebellsinthesun · 21/04/2024 13:32

Just reply ‘it was for my own record to identify your dd so I could adhere to your request for no photos / SM’

Exactly this

BoudiccaOfSuburbia · 21/04/2024 15:26

I would reply nicely to her and say you are sorry if she felt it was an odd thing to do but you wanted a fool proof double confirmation to avoid putting her in any group photos.

I would also ask the Mum who booked you to gently have a word and explain that the face painting was only possible because of the discount and the PTA would be sorry if you got a bad review because of a misunderstanding.

Grrrr at people being so touchy and spiky.

waterrat · 21/04/2024 15:25

im sorry op - everyone is right about how to reply but I wanted to say - that would really have bugged me too!

InTheShallowTheShalalalalalalalow · 21/04/2024 15:25

TinselTitts · 21/04/2024 15:18

The parents sign next to the child's name to say they consent to me painting their face and then they tick a box if they consent to me using images for promotion.

I'm quite lax about these things but I would never sign anything so vague and wishy-washy as that.

Promotion for what? One could reasonably assume promoting the face painting business, but it could be anything else in the future as it's non-specific.

Then how long will my child's images be stored and how will they be stored?

Will they be sold to a 3rd party?

It's interesting that the OP has ignored all comments about legal consent forms and the possibility her insurance may be invalid.

The insurance can be a nightmare, there needs to be risk assessments done as part of the insurance and this one was a headache for me.

I just ended up painting my kids faces, and using facepaint model books that I practised on to demonstrate what I could do, quite often I would get tagged in party photos as well, but that was 100% on the parents.

JMSA · 21/04/2024 15:24

What a negative, spiteful cow! I'm sorry this happened to you, OP. I'd definitely say something along the lines of you take your job and parents' wishes seriously, and the note was for identification purposes only.
Good luck with your new business!

Everleigh13 · 21/04/2024 15:21

WittyFatball · 21/04/2024 13:38

Just reply politely 'Hi X, I made a note of what your child was wearing as you requested no photos/social media and I wanted to be sure she wasn't in the background of any other photos. I hope she enjoyed the party and was pleased with her face paint'

I think this is perfect. Anybody with any common sense will read your reply and understand exactly why you noted down her outfit.

TinselTitts · 21/04/2024 15:18

The parents sign next to the child's name to say they consent to me painting their face and then they tick a box if they consent to me using images for promotion.

I'm quite lax about these things but I would never sign anything so vague and wishy-washy as that.

Promotion for what? One could reasonably assume promoting the face painting business, but it could be anything else in the future as it's non-specific.

Then how long will my child's images be stored and how will they be stored?

Will they be sold to a 3rd party?

It's interesting that the OP has ignored all comments about legal consent forms and the possibility her insurance may be invalid.

K0OLA1D · 21/04/2024 15:18

Has she responded OP?

mysteriousspiderbite · 21/04/2024 15:18

Some people are just unnecessarily aggressive. You did no wrong.

Blondeshavemorefun · 21/04/2024 15:16

Sure she is know the the class /mums as that mum

We have one of those in our class....

Many replies saying the same thing

So yes say politely

As you requested no pics on sm , making a note of what your child was wearing made sure I could check easily she wasn't in any pictures even background ones

Whatwillitbenext · 21/04/2024 15:14

WittyFatball · 21/04/2024 13:38

Just reply politely 'Hi X, I made a note of what your child was wearing as you requested no photos/social media and I wanted to be sure she wasn't in the background of any other photos. I hope she enjoyed the party and was pleased with her face paint'

This

Applescruffle · 21/04/2024 15:11

Loveskin2024 · 21/04/2024 15:08

@Applescruffle oh yes OP has done it the right way. I wish opt in systems were used more often. I’m constantly having to say no which is awkward

I can see why it would be.

I also just think opt in is safer as less chance of a mistake, I think. I think opt out is a bit sneaky and relies on people not seeing the box

Loveskin2024 · 21/04/2024 15:08

@Applescruffle oh yes OP has done it the right way. I wish opt in systems were used more often. I’m constantly having to say no which is awkward

Applescruffle · 21/04/2024 15:04

Loveskin2024 · 21/04/2024 14:55

Just reply and explain. Try not worry about it.

as an aside I don’t use Facebook etc and don’t want pictures of my children on the internet at all (so many weirdos out there that collect children’s pictures). I’m really sick of having to opt out of having my child’s picture taken/used. It should not be asked or done in my opinion. People can offer if they’re desperate to have their kids on Facebook/websites, but really annoying having to always refuse and look like a twat.

But you don't have to opt out in this case. The OP said you had to tick a box if you DO consent. So not consenting is the default and you actually have to opt IN. OP's done a great job in making it fair and avoiding mistakes

Which makes pink t-shirt mum a little weirder as she went to the trouble of writing that and putting a massive cross when all she had to do was... nothing.

Loveskin2024 · 21/04/2024 14:55

Just reply and explain. Try not worry about it.

as an aside I don’t use Facebook etc and don’t want pictures of my children on the internet at all (so many weirdos out there that collect children’s pictures). I’m really sick of having to opt out of having my child’s picture taken/used. It should not be asked or done in my opinion. People can offer if they’re desperate to have their kids on Facebook/websites, but really annoying having to always refuse and look like a twat.

clarepetal · 21/04/2024 14:24

The woman is a prick. I don't like my child being on social media but I wouldn't have a problem with that, and wouldn't say something like that. Your system sounds perfect, ignore.

Misthios · 21/04/2024 14:22

Bearing in mind she's a Big Cahoona in the PTA (just spotted how close to PITA that acronym is ... coincidence? ) world I agree replying as recommended is a grand idea to the point of faux puzzlement.

Reading comprehension not your strong point, is it? It was the party host mother who is involved in the PTA, not the mother of pink t-shirt girl, who was a guest at the party. Still, don't let facts get in the way of having your wee pop at the mums and dads who give up their time to fundraise for your kids.

I'd go with one of the responses you have been given OP, but not the one starting with "hiya!" which is about as unprofessional as you can get. Also agree that when someone posts a dickish comment on social media and gets a response which is polite but points it out as dickish, they just end up looking even more silly.

78Summer · 21/04/2024 14:12

I would reply. Please note the description of the top colour, was a note for me to ensure (as requested) your daughter did not appear in any social media. This is a usual part of my safeguarding and consent process.

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 21/04/2024 14:12

Spinet · 21/04/2024 13:53

I'm sure she'll be well known in the party group for being 'forceful'. Just stay chirpy and factual as in the suggested replies and you'll be grand.

This absolutely. That woman sound like she's probably a PITA of epic proportions in most areas of life so I'm pretty sure most in that circle know this.

Bearing in mind she's a Big Cahoona in the PTA (just spotted how close to PITA that acronym is ... coincidence? Grin) world I agree replying as recommended is a grand idea to the point of faux puzzlement.

BrickTraybake · 21/04/2024 14:03

GreatGateauxsby · 21/04/2024 13:57

The mother sounds intense at best. Dealing with the public this will happen more than you'd like so you do need to learn to deal with it.
With that in mind - view this as a way to "practice dealing with the public" i like theessage suggested by previous posters.

Side note with free business advice:

  • People will take the piss.
  • please ensure people either pay deposits or pay upfront.
  • NEVER discount your prices for anyone again unless you are getting something tangible.

Eg. If that mother said she wanted to book you for 4 separate events you could give a 10 or 20% discount IF she pays upfront for all 4.
Or you could have offered 20% off her next booking if 3/4/X people booked you based on her referal/ recommendation.

Edited

Thank you!

OP posts:
NeatCompactSleeper · 21/04/2024 14:02

The parents sign next to the child's name to say they consent to me painting their face and then they tick a box if they consent to me using images for promotion.

They should be signing GDPR compliant photo consent forms, not just ticking boxes OP.

This can seriously invalidate your insurance.

BrickTraybake · 21/04/2024 14:02

InTheShallowTheShalalalalalalalow · 21/04/2024 13:56

If you're going to do facepainting you really do need to toughen up a bit.

Kids and parents can be brutal.

I did it for a number of years and even things like closing off a queue can cause a kick off. There's always a crying kid or a parent who doesn't mind literally begging you when you're all packed up, or people who ask you to stay extra because they haven't booked enough time, or a million people running a million charity events who expect you for free.

Be polite and factual back on this occassion , but find a way to take pictures without anyone in the background at all, because there will be kids who aren't getting their faces painted who could be in the background as well.

Thank you and it's a good point but on this occasion I painted literally every kid,,there were only 10 at the party. So it was easier just to single out the one kid who couldn't be in photos.

OP posts:
GreatGateauxsby · 21/04/2024 13:57

The mother sounds intense at best. Dealing with the public this will happen more than you'd like so you do need to learn to deal with it.
With that in mind - view this as a way to "practice dealing with the public" i like theessage suggested by previous posters.

Side note with free business advice:

  • People will take the piss.
  • please ensure people either pay deposits or pay upfront.
  • NEVER discount your prices for anyone again unless you are getting something tangible.

Eg. If that mother said she wanted to book you for 4 separate events you could give a 10 or 20% discount IF she pays upfront for all 4.
Or you could have offered 20% off her next booking if 3/4/X people booked you based on her referal/ recommendation.

InTheShallowTheShalalalalalalalow · 21/04/2024 13:56

If you're going to do facepainting you really do need to toughen up a bit.

Kids and parents can be brutal.

I did it for a number of years and even things like closing off a queue can cause a kick off. There's always a crying kid or a parent who doesn't mind literally begging you when you're all packed up, or people who ask you to stay extra because they haven't booked enough time, or a million people running a million charity events who expect you for free.

Be polite and factual back on this occassion , but find a way to take pictures without anyone in the background at all, because there will be kids who aren't getting their faces painted who could be in the background as well.