To think part of the increase in long term sickness is the increase in retirement age?

Do you mind sharing such research?
Because statistics from job sites show that warehouse operatives, cleaners, drivers, trade apprenrices etc. are in high demand.
Seconded by jobs that require education but not massive social skills such as cyber security and data enginers.

@Almostwelsh Article referred to people under 35, surely majority are not new drivers with almost decade and a half of driving experience, so insurrance would not be an issue.

Any chance you could send it again, I tried to open it and then I clicked on "cancel" and it has gone!

They could be useful compost?

On the different retirement ages for manual labourers, it would have to be carefully thought through.

I was just watching a documentary about Greece and apparently they used to have a system where manual workers could retire earlier on their final salary. Needless to say a lot of occupations seemed to manage to get themselves designated as "manual occupations".

@KvotheTheBloodless People expect 20 or 30 years in retirement, not financially contributing to the treasury.

Retired people pay VAT, tax on investment interest, fuel tax, road tax, council tax, stamp duty, tax on income from sources other than work etc.

Before I retired I worked in the homes of retired people. They employed an army of people - chiropodists, mobile hairdressers, cleaners, plumbers, odd job people, window cleaners, gardeners and more. Servicing the needs of the elderly is a huge source of income for workers (especially the self employed) and all these workers pay tax as a result.

There was a thread a few weeks ago about what % of the population have autism/ADHD. Every early years and primary teacher said a handful in each class - quite a significant minority really and loads higher than the official stats. I know loads of adults who have sought diagnosis too. This huge increase will, in a few years also add to the working age population not working. (I know some people with autism can work but lots can’t)

I have a relative in similar situation. I have no idea why they have to be continually assessed over and over again. Their condition is not going to change!!

There needs to be more joined up thinking. On one of the skin tv programmes was a lovely young lad who had a huge cyst in the middle of his forehead. Under the nice guidelines it couldn’t be dealt with as it was cosmetic. However this lump made him develop depression, affected his sight as he couldn’t see round it very well. As a result he was signed off work claiming benefit and the nhs were very happy to give pain relief and anti-depressants.

As soon as the lump was removed his depression lifted and he could see again! He also got himself a job and came off benefit.

I wonder how many similar stories there are?

My brother has multiple chronic mental and physical conditions that mean he is unable to look after himself and will never be able to work.

Regularly he has to complete a PIP assessment. It is a tortuous time of worry for him him and beyond his capability. I have to help him through this process which is complicated, long drawn out and seemingly designed to dehumanise the individual. To me this seems a deliberately cruel scheme.

Ah I guess.
Perhaps a nightshift job in a garage - they usually just man the little window though not sure if they have to do other tasks too.
Tough one 😞

Men have always retired at 65 so i don't see how the 2 year change can make that much difference?

Just because he died doesn't make him a good person!

Working 90-100 hour weeks was the reason I went off sick. It had nothing to do with retirement age but burnout.

Trying getting it as a genuine claimant!!

Can you explain what have they done to the vulnerable in society to make you say that?

I think they are a bunch of useless idiots but I don't see that they have been deliberately cruel. As far as I can see the state is handing out tens of billions through the welfare state and is extremely generous.

Pip and other benefits can be quite lucrative- No council tax and rent paid via housing benefit- Probably pays more than a menial job?

@Lifeomars I have sent you a pm, hope you don't mind!

It won’t be long before the tories start whinging about the amount of dead that are out of work and not contributing to society 😂

YANBU.

Been saying for years manual workers should have a lower retirement age......let's face it we'd be fucked without bricklayers and plumbers etc. That type of work takes a massive toll on the body yet they're expected to work as long as someone who sits behind a desk all day. It's just not sustainable.

I think couples will need to pick one to retire and the other to keep going, where there's ill health.

I'm planning to work till 68, in my sedentary office job - I need my routine, I have ADHD. I can't cope with more than 2 weeks off work, by the end I'm desperate to get back into my routine.

DH would be fine pottering about, he wants to retire at 55 - fine with me, as long as DS has finished university and is well set up for life. I don't mind supporting us both.

I suspect many others don't feel the same though, and it'll lead to some difficult conversations and decisions when both want to retire but can only afford one early retirement.

it isnt parents
kids are on a conveyor belt to do gcses, a levels, university degree - set up by school.

I also have an office job and the constant sitting is causing back issues but aside from that, I have a corporate job that is crazy busy and often stressful. I enjoy it, but sometimes I have to work silly hours to get the job done and I don't think I would still be emotionally capable of coping with a workload like this in 20 years time. But I also won't be able to afford to retire in my early 60s, so I'm not sure what I'll do. I would happily take a lower paid, more entry level job, but who would hire me? I'd be competing with younger, more energetic people who aren't just counting the days to retirement. I think a lot of office-based people will end up being signed off long term with stress.

Totally agree that people in physical jobs shouldn't be expected to keep going till they are late 60s/early 70s though.

@Rosscameasdoody Excellent post. It is indeed standard Tory ideology at play here.

@InTheUpsideDownToday there aren't really roles in supermarkets that are solely sitting at a till any more. I guess he could work as a driving instructor, but that's often a self employed role with start up costs. And you've got to be quick on the dual control foot pedals I would think.