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AIBU to offer friend big chunk of money?

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Marven · 20/04/2024 20:34

Difficult one... I've just come into some money. I already own my house, have two kids and a bit of savings. Mine and my partners families are reasonably well off, and so I know the kids will also be thought of by their grandparents.
This lump of money will give me some to upgrade the house and some to put away for the future.

I'm thinking of giving like £50-80k to my friend... How do I handle that and would you be offended if your friend tried to give you money?

My friend - we used to be close at uni, but live far apart now and life and family get in the way, but still keep in touch and see each other every few years. Last time I saw her she'd had to move rented accomodation again and was saying how shs didn't know if she'd ever be able to buy. Her family is not well off and they'd promised her some money for a deposit, but had then gone and given it all to her brother with nothing left for her! She works hard, travels a fair bit, but she just hasn't had the really fortunate start that I have in life.

If I gave her the money, I would have no expectation about what she did with it, although her talking about buying a house was what sparked this idea for me. I honestly wouldn't care. She's had a tough life and she deserves whatever she wants and however she wants to live her life. I just think that this £50-80k would make a much bigger difference to her life than to mine.

We don't live in the same area - she's up north so I'm hoping that money could be a useful deposit?

How would you broach it, or would you just be totally offended by it?

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Antibetty · 21/04/2024 12:21

Just don't. It will mess up your relationship. You could buy a flat and let her rent it from you for a peppercorn rent. That way you've got an asset and she's benefitting from it.

Lurkingandlearning · 21/04/2024 12:20

I wouldn’t. You don’t know what the future might bring to your family. You might feel there is already enough money in the family pot for everyone but say for example one of you or even your future grandchildren needed permanent medical care? I don’t like to be morbid but if something that awful happened would you regret being so generous to a friend you seldom see?

Wildhorses2244 · 21/04/2024 12:19

@Marven I think that gifts to friends are difficult - even to close friends, even if they are desperate - and so I think a gift to a friend who isn't desperate and who you don't see that often comes with a huge risk.

What I would do is try and work out a way that you can help her without giving her anything.

If it was me I would tell her about the inheritance and say that you were thinking about investing in property; that you know she wasn't able to buy on her own; and asking if she would be interested in going halves on buying a property.

You buy a house together, she lives in it and pays all costs to maintain it in lieu of rent for your half. When its sold you split the equity increase on the same shares that you have bought it on. Your inheritance is used for your share. Her savings plus mortgage is used for her share. All drawn up legally by a solicitor.

An equal business decision, based on mutual trust, good for both of you, you'll both profit, and it helps her get onto the property ladder in a way which doesn't patronize her. Once her mortgage is paid off you can always have a conversation about whether she wants to buy you out or continue ownership in that way.

If you're still keen to gift, then you can put in your will than your share goes to her/ her descendants on death.

KnickerlessParsons · 21/04/2024 12:18

The money was left to you.
I'd be pretty pissed off (although dead) if my kids gave away the money I leave them to a mate they haven't seen in years. What if she gambles/drinks/wastes it all away?

Spend it/save it, but don't give it away.

MintyCedric · 21/04/2024 12:14

I think it’s a lovely thing to do and you know your friend and the nature of your friendship better than anyone on here.

Inclined to agree that pitching it as a lottery win rather than ‘family money’ might be a good way to go.

I have a childhood friend I would absolutely help out like this if I had the money - alas we’re re both on the bones of our arses 😂!

ArchaeoSpy · 21/04/2024 12:07

if it was me being offered it, then id be appreciative of the amount and basically i would preferred to be asked eg hers 80k would you make use of it etc

Ticktapticktap · 21/04/2024 12:07

Yeah I would do this. The living rent free in a property you own is a horrible idea - imagine if you fell out, she'd be homeless.

If you make it clear you don't care WHAT she spends it on, it's fine. But you have to commit to that - if wastes all of it ok gambling and doesn't have anything to show for it a year later, you have to accept that and not feel annoyed about it.

Some people's idea of a sensible use of money is not how someone else might want to live their life (e.g - £70k deposit plus a £30k/annum income would only buy a small house or one in an undesirable area, and maybe she'd prefer to spend more on rent on a nicer place now and not think about the future)

Bjorkdidit · 21/04/2024 12:05

Your total assets amounts to no more than the price of a small house in London. And you’ve never mentioned a pension

Which is irrelevant unless the OP is planning on buying a small house in London. Believe it or not but many of us live our lives perfectly happily without tying all our assets up in an overpriced shoe box.

Plus the OP might have a pension, if you pay for it out of your salary its easy to forget it exists, I don't count mine as 'assets' its just income that I'll get without having to work for it one day, there isn't a pot as such, so I'm never going to be able to access the money in one go like I could an investment account.

The OP has a house and more money than she could ever need so I don't see how giving away a tiny fraction will make a noticeable difference to her life.

silentassassin · 21/04/2024 12:04

80k for someone who is "reasonably well off" rather than "very rich" is a very big amount, and for someone you only see every few years?

As PP have said- never ever count on inheritances- there are a million ways that could be gone by the time you are expecting to get it.

NoraBattysCurlers · 21/04/2024 12:03

I've just come into some money. I already own my house, have two kids and a bit of savings. Mine and my partners families are reasonably well off, and so I know the kids will also be thought of by their grandparents. This lump of money will give me some to upgrade the house and some to put away for the future.

You have two kids, yet you want to give away £50k-£80k to a friend?

I find it hard to believe that anyone is this naive.

Vanilladay · 21/04/2024 12:02

Not sure if anyone has mentioned this but it may be subject to gift tax.

lizzielizard · 21/04/2024 11:58

I would definitely do it if I were in your position and I would definitely accept it with grace and thanks if I were in your friends situation. Go for it! I think it's a lovely thing to do.

daisymoonlight · 21/04/2024 11:56

sonjadog · 21/04/2024 11:40

While you think now that you wouldn't care what she did with it, you might find the reality quite different. It will change the dynamics of your friendship, that doesn't mean it has to be in a negative direction, but there will be a change. Your friend may also not be as okay with it as you think you would be, and she would start to look at you differently. I would leave it for a year and think it over before doing anything. This is an idea that needs to mature for a while before action.

I think this is very wise. Big decisions like this should be considered carefully over time. There's no harm in waiting a few months to mull it over.

It's not about jealousy as PP have suggested, it's about being sure you are making the right decision and that it wont affect your friendship or your own financial resources later on. We dont live in the movies, this is real life and it can absolutely affect friendships - people have already posted situations where it has. Ultimately the decision is yours but at least if you have thought it over carefully, then if it all goes pear shape you know you will be prepared for the consequences.

I also wouldnt lie about it, you'll then have to tell more lies to cover the first lie up and if she finds out you lied later on it will be really awkward and come across as patronising AF.

Mirabai · 21/04/2024 11:55

Marven · 21/04/2024 08:58

It's about 5% of my current assets. I'm sure there'll be more in the future because the system means those with money just get more, and those without find it harder to.

I'm feeling better about the more recent comments, so I think I'll do it, but tread carefully.

I will definitely speak to someone financial about the implications tho, as I don't really know much about it.

Kindly OP if it’s 5% of your total assets - ie £1.6 million - you don’t can’t really afford to give that much away to anyone.

Your total assets amount to no more than the price of a small house in London. And you’ve never mentioned a pension.

80k would pay uni fees or towards a house deposit for your kids.

Don’t ever count on inheritance from grandparents as I said. It’s not just care fees that eat up legacies, if one of them divorced or dies the other could remarry and leave it all to the second spouse with their own kids.

5GreenLeaves · 21/04/2024 11:54

Insane.

Unless you've won 90million.

Give her 5k.

Put rest in accounts for your kids.

FeetupTvon · 21/04/2024 11:52

I think it’s a lovely thing of you to do.
i would definitely chat to her first, tell her you’ve won some money and how much would she need to make her life easier.

Mummyexpat · 21/04/2024 11:48

Not the same but some similarities… we are good friends with a family who live very near to us. Kids are similar ages and get on well, as do all the adults. The other family have access to 2 holiday homes that belong to her family, one in the UK and one abroad. We have spent all our money in the last few years on renovating a new house and this left very little for a holiday fund. We haven’t made a big deal of it, our choices were ours, but our friends have recognised that they a) can help and b) WANT to help. This has resulted in us being invited to join them a couple of times in the UK and, in summer, we’ll spend time abroad with them too. Our friendship is stronger because we know each other better as a result and we have mutual memories to talk about. We’re careful to always express our gratitude, with words or small gestures like a bottle of wine and chocolates, but don’t go OTT as we know they don’t want to feel like “The Benefactors” either.
Personally, I think you’re a lovely friend and need to do this, it’s just the practicalities that need ironing out… maybe take her away somewhere (neutral territory) and have a really good one-one heart-to-heart? I would be wary about making up a story like the lottery, as she’ll likely ask lots of questions and you’ll just be adding more and more untruths to the mix…for me, this would be what would hurt a relationship if I ever found out, not the fact that you made a genuine, heartfelt offer in the first place. Good luck! ❤️

sonjadog · 21/04/2024 11:40

While you think now that you wouldn't care what she did with it, you might find the reality quite different. It will change the dynamics of your friendship, that doesn't mean it has to be in a negative direction, but there will be a change. Your friend may also not be as okay with it as you think you would be, and she would start to look at you differently. I would leave it for a year and think it over before doing anything. This is an idea that needs to mature for a while before action.

Quitelikeit · 21/04/2024 11:37

🤣🤣🤣 as if

Winter2020 · 21/04/2024 11:28

You could offer to help your friend buy a home using a mortgage that allows friends and family to help with the purchase by putting a chunk of their savings against the loan.

E.g. an offset mortgage that allows friends and families savings accounts to be linked to reduce the interest on the loan (you might need to gift the minimum deposit also) https://www.ybs.co.uk/mortgages/offset-mortgages/offset-plus-for-borrowers
Having 80k offset against say a 150k mortgage would hugely reduce the interest due each month for your friends mortgage but the savings would still be yours.

Or a mortgage where for example you lodge the deposit and it remains yours. If the payments would be affordable for your friend https://www.barclays.co.uk/mortgages/family-springboard-mortgage/

Using these products you are allowing your mate to use the benefit of your money without giving it away. She might be more comfortable with this.

As with any home purchase she needs to consider that it is easier to get help with rent from benefits if you might need to- if you were unwell for example- than it is to get help with a mortgage.

Offset Plus for Borrowers | Mortgages - YBS - YBS DXP Prod

The more savings your family and friends link to your mortgage, the more you can reduce the interest payable on your loan.

https://www.ybs.co.uk/mortgages/offset-mortgages/offset-plus-for-borrowers

Emma330912 · 21/04/2024 11:25

furryblanky · 21/04/2024 10:05

All of you saying it would ruin the friendship or to give it to charity. OMG.

OP I think it is a wonderful thing to do, and ultimately it will change her life for the better, which is an amazing thing to do.

If someone offered to help me get on the property ladder, I would be eternally grateful and it would change the life of me and my children, why would it change our friendship?

I say go for it

Definitely agree with this. If you are in a position to help out a loved one & you're happy to do it, then I would just have a conversation with her, letting her know your plans. If she really doesn't want it then I'm sure she'll let you know.
It could be life changing for her & her family.
I think it's a lovely thing to do

6pence · 21/04/2024 11:23

I think I’d visit, sound her out about her attitude/ability to house buying, then I’d offer to put in money and ring fence it through a solicitor. It’s still yours but you can assure her that if she moves house in the future, she can either transfer it with her or pay you back. You don’t mind which option she goes for.

I would definitely make it house related though.

Cattyisbatty · 21/04/2024 11:13

It’s a lot of money to give away even if you think you’re buffered, you never know what will happen in future, eg, it costs a lot of money to put kids through uni (you could save them debt by giving them the loan equivalent for example) or someone in your family may need expensive medical treatment- I have seen this happen to a family who is reasonably well off as well.
My best friend is in a v different financial situation from me - I have paid for tickets for concerts etc when I wanted her to come but she can’t afford it but I think she’d be v insulted if I gave her money. She has also made not-so sensible decisions re her own finances. You wouldn’t be able to control what your friend used the money for either, ie house deposit.
Maybe sound her out hypothetically about it?

thisoldcity · 21/04/2024 11:11

AmethystSparkles · 21/04/2024 11:10

I’d be really pissed off if I was your friend and people were telling you not to give me the money because it might hurt my pride. I’d be extremely grateful and I was told not to feel indebted, then I wouldn’t!

Absolutely! Give your friend the chance to decide.

thisoldcity · 21/04/2024 11:10

Offer your friend the money and don't make up some story about winning it or whatever, just tell her honestly that you'd like to help her. Any sort of story is bound to come out in the end. She knows you and presumably knows you aren't going to change towards her at all as you're her friend and you seem a very straightforward person. Just do it!