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To think that Landlords have a bad name.

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Arewe29 · 20/04/2024 17:39

NC for this.

Is it just me or are all landlords frowned upon a MN.

We own and rent out 3 properties all our properties are rented out to young families, just under market rate, we allow them to decorate their homes how they like, and if there is any issues or problems they just call us and we sort it out ASAP.

I know that there is some terrible landlords out there, that should be dealt with but there are thousands of other that are decent that follow all the laws and their tenants are very happy.

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CoffeeCup14 · 21/04/2024 19:03

Arewe29 · 21/04/2024 18:33

We are not talking about redevelopment of land, we are talking about your idea of social policy around LLs, and forcing LLs to sell at a vastly reduced sum, to the state.

But firstly I don't think LL would be forced to sell under this policy (did read the full thread but may have forgotten about some bits due to going out for icecream) - just that if they want to sell they'd only be able to sell to the tenant or other landlords, or an LA/HA if all else fails. This is already how some shared ownership works - you are restricted in who you can sell to.

Secondly, it wouldn't be landlords like now - people like you, or a lot of the other landlords on the thread. It would be registered landlord companies who would be making decisions about individual properties as part of a larger company, rather than based on a small number of properties they are keeping for their pension/children. It's a different kind of decision.

Thirdly, this wouldn't be theft. It would be a purchase.

Rewis · 21/04/2024 19:01

I don't have hate for landlords. Ive chosen to rent. One day when I own my own place and if I have enough money to buy an investment property I might xo sider buying one (if you can't beat them, join 'em).

But claiming it is not for profit is ridiculous. If the rest doesn't cover all expenses. It is still for profit. Unless you genuinely plan to donate the house to charity or something. It is an investment you're hoping to profit. The new kitchen isn't for the tenant. It is to add value to the house.

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 21/04/2024 19:01

daisymoo2 · 21/04/2024 18:41

@WhatsTheUseOfWorrying I take it you’re also agreeable to the government compulsory purchasing your 3 bed house once your children leave home? After all, it’s for the greater good, a forward thinking social policy to free up family housing stock for those in their 30s. The government says a one bed flat will be all you need. Honestly, where does this end. You need to take a long, hard look at your policies of market interference.

Ah, the slippery slope.

Yes, I would object to that for me and anyone else. But there’s no coherent reason for the action. There’s every coherent reason to re-shape housing provision by private LLs.

I’m not suggesting your family home comes into this. Just the other properties you’d own for profit were you to enter into the highly regulated sector I’m proposing. There’d be a good long run in for you to make your mind up.

Starlightshine · 21/04/2024 18:53

Locutus2000 · 21/04/2024 18:47

At this point we dearly need some 'market interference'.

Late stage capitalism is collapsing.

Could we all bear in mind the total and utter disaster the Green policy here in Scotland of rent freezes? Scotland has rents increasing at a higher rate than anywhere else in the western world and in the past year alone 22,000 properties have been removed from the rental market.

Scotland, trying out shite socialist policies for the rest of the UK.

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 21/04/2024 18:51

Arewe29 · 21/04/2024 18:33

We are not talking about redevelopment of land, we are talking about your idea of social policy around LLs, and forcing LLs to sell at a vastly reduced sum, to the state.

I’m making the point that the purchase, use and disposal of real property routinely attracts restrictions.

What I advocate is really just an extension of CPOs but would no doubt be fought against in the courts. But I would expect a government to win, and I believe it would be a very popular policy.

If the courts did find against such a policy it would still be possible to introduce incentives to sell at a discount to eligible buyers, through tax penalties. That would be unchallengeable.

Locutus2000 · 21/04/2024 18:47

daisymoo2 · 21/04/2024 18:41

@WhatsTheUseOfWorrying I take it you’re also agreeable to the government compulsory purchasing your 3 bed house once your children leave home? After all, it’s for the greater good, a forward thinking social policy to free up family housing stock for those in their 30s. The government says a one bed flat will be all you need. Honestly, where does this end. You need to take a long, hard look at your policies of market interference.

At this point we dearly need some 'market interference'.

Late stage capitalism is collapsing.

Itloggedmeoutagain · 21/04/2024 18:44

caringcarer · 21/04/2024 17:30

@SENMum1985, you are being ridiculous. Close to me within 3 miles there are 50 separate 2 bedroom houses for less than £250k. There are 84 3 bedroom houses for £250k or less. So 134 houses available. Some have been on the market for months. Plenty of time for anyone wanting to buy their one and only home to get on and do so. But they don't because of the reasons I've suggested no deposit or not earning enough to get through the bank stress test.Nothong to do with LL's who in 2023 sold more houses than they bought. So actually more houses available for FTB. The houses sit empty or someone buys them.

There are 270 houses in a 5 mile radius from me for sale up to 150k
The cheapest is 60k
The oldest listing was reduced June 2022.
I'm in the North West.
Landlords are not stopping anyone buying these houses

daisymoo2 · 21/04/2024 18:41

@WhatsTheUseOfWorrying I take it you’re also agreeable to the government compulsory purchasing your 3 bed house once your children leave home? After all, it’s for the greater good, a forward thinking social policy to free up family housing stock for those in their 30s. The government says a one bed flat will be all you need. Honestly, where does this end. You need to take a long, hard look at your policies of market interference.

Arewe29 · 21/04/2024 18:33

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 21/04/2024 18:28

I’m generally a free marketeer, not an absolutist.

If somebody wanted to build a breaker’s yard or a tanning factory or a sewage treatment plant next to one of your rental properties I’d imagine you’d miraculously become interested in public and community interest restrictions too.

We are not talking about redevelopment of land, we are talking about your idea of social policy around LLs, and forcing LLs to sell at a vastly reduced sum, to the state.

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Densol · 21/04/2024 18:33

Tahinii · 21/04/2024 18:28

Interesting language, says a lot about how you consider others.

I am neither landlord nor tenant, so able to be much more biased than you. I have no skin in this game.

You need to be in the game to understand ! Not just be an MN spectator 😂

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 21/04/2024 18:28

Arewe29 · 21/04/2024 18:20

That is a communist policy.

You state I am a free marketer-But, This means that you are not a free marketer and your posts show otherwise. Russia and North Korea are lovely at this time of year.

I’m generally a free marketeer, not an absolutist.

If somebody wanted to build a breaker’s yard or a tanning factory or a sewage treatment plant next to one of your rental properties I’d imagine you’d miraculously become interested in public and community interest restrictions too.

Tahinii · 21/04/2024 18:28

Densol · 21/04/2024 18:23

Lol ! MN is the stinking pit of bad tenants who hate and mistreat landlords properties! 😂

Im a landlord. Ive got a few properties. Ive made lots of money from my good well kept properties with good decent tenants 👍🏼

Do I care what those MN renters think ? .... big no - as they are not my likely tenants

Interesting language, says a lot about how you consider others.

I am neither landlord nor tenant, so able to be much more biased than you. I have no skin in this game.

Densol · 21/04/2024 18:23

Lol ! MN is the stinking pit of bad tenants who hate and mistreat landlords properties! 😂

Im a landlord. Ive got a few properties. Ive made lots of money from my good well kept properties with good decent tenants 👍🏼

Do I care what those MN renters think ? .... big no - as they are not my likely tenants

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 21/04/2024 18:21

vivainsomnia · 21/04/2024 18:19

With respect, that’s sophistry
With respect, you clearly have no idea what you are writing about!

Not convincing. Sorry.

Arewe29 · 21/04/2024 18:20

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 21/04/2024 18:16

The LL would be obliged to do so. By law. In the public interest.

That is a communist policy.

You state I am a free marketer-But, This means that you are not a free marketer and your posts show otherwise. Russia and North Korea are lovely at this time of year.

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vivainsomnia · 21/04/2024 18:19

With respect, that’s sophistry
With respect, you clearly have no idea what you are writing about!

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 21/04/2024 18:18

caringcarer · 21/04/2024 18:16

Those rules apply to everyone not just LL's.

Er, yes. They’re restrictions in the public interest. But are they ‘communist’?

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 21/04/2024 18:16

caringcarer · 21/04/2024 18:14

You can't give someone a right to buy with discount if the seller doesn't want to sell to the tenant. The house belongs to the LL not the government or council.

The LL would be obliged to do so. By law. In the public interest.

caringcarer · 21/04/2024 18:16

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 21/04/2024 18:12

You can’t build what you like on land you own, and plenty of land is prohibited from development altogether. Is that communist control?

Those rules apply to everyone not just LL's.

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 21/04/2024 18:15

Arewe29 · 21/04/2024 18:13

You have said that RTB was one of the worst things to happen to the housing market.

No, I said quite the opposite! Have a look.

caringcarer · 21/04/2024 18:14

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 21/04/2024 17:58

I’d plan to change the housing market to allow affordable rents, an end to hobbyist profiteering and a wider right to buy at discount.

I commented on phased change previously.

You can't give someone a right to buy with discount if the seller doesn't want to sell to the tenant. The house belongs to the LL not the government or council.

Arewe29 · 21/04/2024 18:13

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 21/04/2024 17:58

I’d plan to change the housing market to allow affordable rents, an end to hobbyist profiteering and a wider right to buy at discount.

I commented on phased change previously.

You have said that RTB was one of the worst things to happen to the housing market.

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WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 21/04/2024 18:12

caringcarer · 21/04/2024 18:09

It would be governing like in a communist country. If you want to live in a country like Russia you can do so. The UK is a capitalist country, whether you like it or not. Even Corbyn didn't go as far as to suggest theft of property.

You can’t build what you like on land you own, and plenty of land is prohibited from development altogether. Is that communist control?

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 21/04/2024 18:10

Arewe29 · 21/04/2024 18:04

That goes for most house sales, are you against that, so in theory you are against anyone making a capital gain on anything.

Councils sell property all the time are you against that as well.

I’ve been as clear as I can about this. Housing is not like other markets.

I’m a free marketeer, but not in a market that is so subject to constraints, doesn’t respond as others do and is so critical to human welfare.

Selling your only house is just your concern. Acquiring multiple properties for gain is a different matter.

LAs deal in public funds, not personal profit.

caringcarer · 21/04/2024 18:09

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 21/04/2024 17:47

The government can legislate for property ownership, transfer and taxation. That’s not theft. It’s governing.

(A1P1 of the Convention would be most unlikely to matter: intervention in real property ownership would be in the public interest and would in any event be a change in the right to disposition, not confiscation.)

It would be governing like in a communist country. If you want to live in a country like Russia you can do so. The UK is a capitalist country, whether you like it or not. Even Corbyn didn't go as far as to suggest theft of property.