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To think that Landlords have a bad name.

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Arewe29 · 20/04/2024 17:39

NC for this.

Is it just me or are all landlords frowned upon a MN.

We own and rent out 3 properties all our properties are rented out to young families, just under market rate, we allow them to decorate their homes how they like, and if there is any issues or problems they just call us and we sort it out ASAP.

I know that there is some terrible landlords out there, that should be dealt with but there are thousands of other that are decent that follow all the laws and their tenants are very happy.

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daisymoo2 · 22/04/2024 23:35

@WhatsTheUseOfWorrying The housing problem is one of supply and demand. Are you trying to convince me that forcing landlords to sell to their tenants is going to fix the housing shortage? Is that really the best you can propose?

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 22/04/2024 23:17

TFITheWeekend · 22/04/2024 23:09

Lol. When I despise things, I don’t need reminding that I do. Genuinely hilarious.

I think you can put it down to me being polite.

And since I’ve been civil to every landlord poster on this thread - apart from the abusive fool - I can’t see why my view of landlords matters.

I don’t have to like or dislike landlords to think that BTL is a bad thing.

PeaceOnThePorch · 22/04/2024 23:12

TFITheWeekend · 22/04/2024 22:12

You said you despise them.

You recently posted,

‘I just used to shrug and accept it, but quietly despise LLs - and still do, as a group.‘

OMFG! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

TFITheWeekend · 22/04/2024 23:09

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 22/04/2024 23:03

I’ll take the criticism for contradicting myself on my view of landlords in two threads. Though I do think researching people is weird and creepy - and IIRC - against MN rules, not that I’m bothered by that.

’Lying’ is wrong. Inconsistent I’ll accept.

If you have anything worthwhile to say on the subject of landlords do go ahead.

Lol. When I despise things, I don’t need reminding that I do. Genuinely hilarious.

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 22/04/2024 23:03

TFITheWeekend · 22/04/2024 22:55

You lied about not hating them, so what other bollocks have you told on the thread? 🤔

How embarrassing for you.

I’ll take the criticism for contradicting myself on my view of landlords in two threads. Though I do think researching people is weird and creepy - and IIRC - against MN rules, not that I’m bothered by that.

’Lying’ is wrong. Inconsistent I’ll accept.

If you have anything worthwhile to say on the subject of landlords do go ahead.

TFITheWeekend · 22/04/2024 22:55

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 22/04/2024 22:47

Top marks for searching! Bit odd but fair play.

I withdraw my earlier comment in this thread that I don’t hate landlords as a group. The last few posts (not yours, assuming you’re a landlord: you’ve just been assiduous in your research) have reminded me that I do in fact have an intense dislike of private landlords as a class of trader. They are, often, unwilling to accept any criticism or suggestion for change. And of course many are thoroughly bad and unfit to offer housing to anyone, as I’ve already said in this thread. Not every one of them of course: some will be very good.

None of that has anything to do with reform of the housing market.

You lied about not hating them, so what other bollocks have you told on the thread? 🤔

How embarrassing for you.

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 22/04/2024 22:47

TFITheWeekend · 22/04/2024 22:12

You said you despise them.

You recently posted,

‘I just used to shrug and accept it, but quietly despise LLs - and still do, as a group.‘

Top marks for searching! Bit odd but fair play.

I withdraw my earlier comment in this thread that I don’t hate landlords as a group. The last few posts (not yours, assuming you’re a landlord: you’ve just been assiduous in your research) have reminded me that I do in fact have an intense dislike of private landlords as a class of trader. They are, often, unwilling to accept any criticism or suggestion for change. And of course many are thoroughly bad and unfit to offer housing to anyone, as I’ve already said in this thread. Not every one of them of course: some will be very good.

None of that has anything to do with reform of the housing market.

TFITheWeekend · 22/04/2024 22:12

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 22/04/2024 22:02

As it happens I don’t hate private landlords as a group. I have been entirely civil to the OP despite her prickliness.

My irritation was at a halfwit (landlord) who called me a liar.

I just think the system should be reformed.

It is interesting, though, how defensive and how ready to insult others landlords are on this thread.

You said you despise them.

You recently posted,

‘I just used to shrug and accept it, but quietly despise LLs - and still do, as a group.‘

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 22/04/2024 22:02

WasntExpectingSunshine · 22/04/2024 21:06

It really is.

As it happens I don’t hate private landlords as a group. I have been entirely civil to the OP despite her prickliness.

My irritation was at a halfwit (landlord) who called me a liar.

I just think the system should be reformed.

It is interesting, though, how defensive and how ready to insult others landlords are on this thread.

WasntExpectingSunshine · 22/04/2024 21:06

PeaceOnThePorch · 22/04/2024 20:24

Yes. @WhatsTheUseOfWorrying clearly hates landlords as a group and it’s coming through loud and clear.

It really is.

Itloggedmeoutagain · 22/04/2024 21:04

Arewe29 · 22/04/2024 18:19

Where have I said that stringent regulation does not have a place.

Your "proposal" would only allow large companies to have properties to rent out and most slum landlords are the ones with huge portfolios.

You would take away a property from someone a that could cost them their families home because of you believe that only large companies can afford, because anyone that was told that you have to sell at a huge discount would not sell, just look at compulsory purchase buys at the market rent, plus pay all associated costs. I can assure you most of the public would not allow this to happen because their houses could be next.

2 of our properties are rented out for less than the mortgage (which we can afford to pay without a tenant).

I have a btl mortgage and it is a condition that i charge a specific amount of rent. It wouldn't be allowed for me to charge less than the mortgage. Nor would i because what would be the point?

SomeTrashBloke · 22/04/2024 20:41

lightinthebox · 20/04/2024 18:02

To add to the views on removing properties from the market, a lot of people will argue this doesn’t happen and landlords are martyrs for providing homes for people.

This isn’t true.

When we were buying our first home we were repeatedly outbid in auctions by buy-to-let investors on houses we would have afforded. So yes, you are stopping people from buying their own homes.

With our birthrate in decline we had enough housing. Population 57.87 million (1994) Yet our population has increased by 10 million in 18ish years 66.97 million (2022) - successive governments have promoted demand for more housing by creating that increase. We vote for the population increase. Yes it means our young can't buy houses. Diversity is good, however there is a price. Landlords are the symptom, without creating the demand they could not exist.

The elite want to us to own nothing. This is how it's done.

PeaceOnThePorch · 22/04/2024 20:37

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 22/04/2024 20:31

I think there should be structural change in the housing market.

Being called a liar on a thread by a poster (with you as a hanger-on) whose contributions have before that simply been vacuous insults might explain my ire.

You may think their should be change in the housing market, which is a valid viewpoint, but your hate for landlords is still very clear.

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 22/04/2024 20:31

PeaceOnThePorch · 22/04/2024 20:24

Yes. @WhatsTheUseOfWorrying clearly hates landlords as a group and it’s coming through loud and clear.

I think there should be structural change in the housing market.

Being called a liar on a thread by a poster (with you as a hanger-on) whose contributions have before that simply been vacuous insults might explain my ire.

PeaceOnThePorch · 22/04/2024 20:24

Arewe29 · 22/04/2024 20:12

That you have said that you are above getting personal, and you have no issue with LLs per se, and then I can see that you are a LL and how you make your money.

I could see that you were just trying to keep a lid on your true feelings.

Do you think barristers are inevitably not Tories?- what an incredibly strange question, for someone that has quoted quite a few times how they want people to think they vote, to show that they are not socialist.

You tried too hard.

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Yes. @WhatsTheUseOfWorrying clearly hates landlords as a group and it’s coming through loud and clear.

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 22/04/2024 20:19

Arewe29 · 22/04/2024 20:12

That you have said that you are above getting personal, and you have no issue with LLs per se, and then I can see that you are a LL and how you make your money.

I could see that you were just trying to keep a lid on your true feelings.

Do you think barristers are inevitably not Tories?- what an incredibly strange question, for someone that has quoted quite a few times how they want people to think they vote, to show that they are not socialist.

You tried too hard.

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I was responding to a poster who called me a liar. I’m under no obligation to be polite to her.

Is this really beyond you?

I notice that the reciprocal courtesy I invited from you hasn’t appeared.

Arewe29 · 22/04/2024 20:12

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 22/04/2024 20:00

Why have you been waiting for this? Are the arguments too much for you?

How have I tripped myself up?

Do you think barristers are inevitably not Tories?

Strange stuff.

That you have said that you are above getting personal, and you have no issue with LLs per se, and then I can see that you are a LL and how you make your money.

I could see that you were just trying to keep a lid on your true feelings.

Do you think barristers are inevitably not Tories?- what an incredibly strange question, for someone that has quoted quite a few times how they want people to think they vote, to show that they are not socialist.

You tried too hard.

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WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 22/04/2024 20:00

Arewe29 · 22/04/2024 19:56

I have been waiting for this comment, all the BS about market economy and I am a Tory.

You have tripped yourself up.

God help your clients if you are a KC, its laughable. I can just see you in chambers.

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Why have you been waiting for this? Are the arguments too much for you?

How have I tripped myself up?

Do you think barristers are inevitably not Tories?

Strange stuff.

Arewe29 · 22/04/2024 19:56

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 22/04/2024 19:49

You total arse.

I’m a barrister of many years call and practice.

I don’t need to ask you how you ‘earn’ your money: your stupidity and unpleasantness marks you out as a private landlord. Along with some others on this thread.

I have been waiting for this comment, all the BS about market economy and I am a Tory.

You have tripped yourself up.

God help your clients if you are a KC, its laughable. I can just see you in chambers.

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WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 22/04/2024 19:49

Densol · 22/04/2024 19:32

I wouldnt bother arguing with that poster. Its just someone pretending to be legally qualified 😂🤣

You total arse.

I’m a barrister of many years call and practice.

I don’t need to ask you how you ‘earn’ your money: your stupidity and unpleasantness marks you out as a private landlord. Along with some others on this thread.

SabreIsMyFave · 22/04/2024 19:43

Densol · 22/04/2024 19:30

I knew it ! Those that call themselves "lawyer" are simply not properly qualified and hide behind that ambiguous title 😂

I'm a Pharmacist.

Well, I have around 20 different types of meds and the like in my cupboards, including ibuprofen, anti-histamines, travel sickness tablets, paracetamol, heartburn medicine, cough medicine, some plasters, bandages, TCP, folic acid tablets, and asthma inhalers. So I'm practically a Pharmacist right?

😆

Oh and I am DEFINITLEY not a private landlord! 😂

Densol · 22/04/2024 19:32

Arewe29 · 22/04/2024 18:19

Where have I said that stringent regulation does not have a place.

Your "proposal" would only allow large companies to have properties to rent out and most slum landlords are the ones with huge portfolios.

You would take away a property from someone a that could cost them their families home because of you believe that only large companies can afford, because anyone that was told that you have to sell at a huge discount would not sell, just look at compulsory purchase buys at the market rent, plus pay all associated costs. I can assure you most of the public would not allow this to happen because their houses could be next.

2 of our properties are rented out for less than the mortgage (which we can afford to pay without a tenant).

I wouldnt bother arguing with that poster. Its just someone pretending to be legally qualified 😂🤣

Densol · 22/04/2024 19:30

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 22/04/2024 16:21

I’m not going into that much detail. It’s irrelevant. I am an experienced practitioner. I know the law.

I knew it ! Those that call themselves "lawyer" are simply not properly qualified and hide behind that ambiguous title 😂

Arewe29 · 22/04/2024 18:19

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 22/04/2024 18:08

Oh dear.

“So much for your Tory leaning views”? You can believe me or not. I choose to believe what you say about your goodwill and decency as a landlord. It might be nice for you to extend the same courtesy to me and other posters.

What am I “trying to do”? I have a view and I express it.

Why are private LLs so afraid of public interest measures? Why are you against stringent regulation? If you were forced to sell you would be compensated, at least for the most part.

Are you so wedded to unending profit from tenants that you genuinely cannot see that there might be better ways for us all to secure housing?

Where have I said that stringent regulation does not have a place.

Your "proposal" would only allow large companies to have properties to rent out and most slum landlords are the ones with huge portfolios.

You would take away a property from someone a that could cost them their families home because of you believe that only large companies can afford, because anyone that was told that you have to sell at a huge discount would not sell, just look at compulsory purchase buys at the market rent, plus pay all associated costs. I can assure you most of the public would not allow this to happen because their houses could be next.

2 of our properties are rented out for less than the mortgage (which we can afford to pay without a tenant).

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WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 22/04/2024 18:08

Arewe29 · 22/04/2024 17:52

Their comments are not childish.

Your comments and vision have been a little outlandish and unworkable.

So much for your Tory leaning views, you and most posters on here can see what you are trying to do, if you think that LA will be able to afford to buy, maintain and then sell the properties on to tenants when they can not even afford provision for SEN kids, pick up bins or fund SS, then yes you are away with the fairies.

Oh dear.

“So much for your Tory leaning views”? You can believe me or not. I choose to believe what you say about your goodwill and decency as a landlord. It might be nice for you to extend the same courtesy to me and other posters.

What am I “trying to do”? I have a view and I express it.

Why are private LLs so afraid of public interest measures? Why are you against stringent regulation? If you were forced to sell you would be compensated, at least for the most part.

Are you so wedded to unending profit from tenants that you genuinely cannot see that there might be better ways for us all to secure housing?