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To be a bit annoyed at Supply Teacher not having to do any planning?

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ioryou · 20/04/2024 15:14

I am a Year 4 teacher in a 2 form entry primary school, my year group teacher left at Easter for a job in another school. Therefore, we have a long term supply in until the end of the school year and the school are advertising for a position with a September start. With my previous colleague we shared the planning between us, however I have been told by SLT that I will have to do all planning by myself as the supply only agreed to do the role if she was not required to do the planning. Supply also has been told she will not be subject to book scrutinies and will not need to attend staff meetings after school or INSET days.

AIBU to be a bit annoyed at having to all the planning now? I thought long term supply had the responsibility of planning?

OP posts:
OhMaria2 · 20/04/2024 16:36

ioryou · 20/04/2024 15:14

I am a Year 4 teacher in a 2 form entry primary school, my year group teacher left at Easter for a job in another school. Therefore, we have a long term supply in until the end of the school year and the school are advertising for a position with a September start. With my previous colleague we shared the planning between us, however I have been told by SLT that I will have to do all planning by myself as the supply only agreed to do the role if she was not required to do the planning. Supply also has been told she will not be subject to book scrutinies and will not need to attend staff meetings after school or INSET days.

AIBU to be a bit annoyed at having to all the planning now? I thought long term supply had the responsibility of planning?

Depends what she's getting paid . Paid extra by the agency to do planning, attend meetings, have full responsibilities etc. Or paid to turn up to teach. I've done both types of long term supply. Your school is cheaping out, or the agency is . Take it up with them.

DelphiniumBlue · 20/04/2024 16:29

OP, you took a job in a 2 form entry school, so it is not unreasonable that you expect to to do half the planning for the year group.
If you are now being asked to do all the planning for the year group, then that will obviously take you extra time, so you should be asking for extra PPA. You r Union rep should back you up on this.
For anyone who isn't quite understanding this, it is a bigger burden to plan for someone else to teach than it is to plan for yourself, you have to explain to someone else what to do, your boards need to be a lot more explicit, you don't know what their prior knowledge is, so you have to plan as if the supply might not know the steps/answers, even the printing & trimming takes twice as long. Every lesson has to be explained to someone else - even if you can do this in 5 minutes per lesson, that is most of your very limited spare time throughout the day - it can be the difference between being able to get to the loo or not. You definitely need extra time .

KTheGrey · 20/04/2024 16:29

HowdidImanagetohavetwoaccountaandthenloseboth · 20/04/2024 15:30

Depends what they get paid . If it is salary / 195 days, then they should be planning . If though it’s a lesser figure ( sometimes county wide figure) which is less than this , then they shouldn’t have to plan Personally for a longer term job I would prefer the higher rate and to plan for the class .

Yes no doubt. Schools never offer that, funnily enough.

Aramiss · 20/04/2024 16:17

Annoying, but imagine what it's like for us working in a one form entry school or less...

CormorantStrikesBack · 20/04/2024 16:12

Nospecialcharactersplease · 20/04/2024 16:04

I’m sorry you’re having a hard time. I don’t think suggesting the go for sick was a proportionate response though. She didn’t say she was at breaking point, just wanted to know whether she was right to be annoyed.

Probably not, but I’d certainly advise the OP to monitor the effect on her and put herself first if necessary.

Floralnomad · 20/04/2024 16:11

They are probably not being paid the enhanced rate for someone who has to plan etc .

Tristar15 · 20/04/2024 16:09

Supply don’t need to do anything out of their contracted hours. They are paid to be in front of a class and that is that. I thought this was well known?
Some supply may do more, for example if they think there might be a permanent job coming up and want to make a good impression.
Worked in education for years and always gave the supply staff (even long term) lesson plans and materials and they only marked what they could do in their non-contact time.

Sunshine187 · 20/04/2024 16:08

It is highly unlikely they are being paid to scale if hired through an agency and also, if you were a Y4 teacher in a 1-form entry school, you'd have to do all the planning anyway so I don't think you have an argument, especially if you get PPA. However, I can see why it would be annoying after the scenario you had before Easter.

everydaywonderful · 20/04/2024 16:05

sounds like you had it cushty only needing to do half of your planning until now. and now it is a ore normal work load.

Are there previous years plans you can use? Or published SOWs?

Nospecialcharactersplease · 20/04/2024 16:04

CormorantStrikesBack · 20/04/2024 16:00

Why is there always one?

I’m in a similar situation where I am having to do my workload and the workload of a colleague who has been off sick for months. I’m angry that SLT are throwing my mental and physical health to the wall, if you keep doing stuff over and above your normal workload of course management will let you crack on. But I’m literally lying awake in bed at 4am sobbing……it’s not good for you long term. And even if the OP isn’t currently being affected the chances are she will be down the line, unless of course she thinks her current workload is so light she can do it….but I’m suspecting she doesn’t hence the thread.

I’m sorry you’re having a hard time. I don’t think suggesting the go for sick was a proportionate response though. She didn’t say she was at breaking point, just wanted to know whether she was right to be annoyed.

CormorantStrikesBack · 20/04/2024 16:00

Nospecialcharactersplease · 20/04/2024 15:39

There’s always one.

Why is there always one?

I’m in a similar situation where I am having to do my workload and the workload of a colleague who has been off sick for months. I’m angry that SLT are throwing my mental and physical health to the wall, if you keep doing stuff over and above your normal workload of course management will let you crack on. But I’m literally lying awake in bed at 4am sobbing……it’s not good for you long term. And even if the OP isn’t currently being affected the chances are she will be down the line, unless of course she thinks her current workload is so light she can do it….but I’m suspecting she doesn’t hence the thread.

ArseholeCatIsABlackAndWhiteCat · 20/04/2024 15:39

@wafflesmgee depends how desperate the school are and what options they have.

It also depends if the supply was offered paid PPA time and they declined saying they won't do any planning at all, or the school just expects OP to do it and passing the buck.

Nospecialcharactersplease · 20/04/2024 15:39

CormorantStrikesBack · 20/04/2024 15:22

Go off with stress due to increased workload?

There’s always one.

viques · 20/04/2024 15:35

What is going to happen with end of year reports?

Did you teach Y4 last year? In most schools the schemes of work to be covered don’t change much if the curriculum for each year group has been organised. I would be digging out the plans for last years summer term and re using those heavily.

I do agree that you should ask for some extra time out of class to compensate for the extra work.

Cornishmaiden · 20/04/2024 15:34

I work as a long term supply but I am given PPA time to plan the Foundation subjects and the permanent teacher plans Maths and English. I asked for an enhanced rate from my agency to include marking at the end of the day. I would not have taken the job without these adjustments as the supply pay rate is nowhere near my UPS rate.
In your position I would be asking for extra PPA.

HowdidImanagetohavetwoaccountaandthenloseboth · 20/04/2024 15:30

Depends what they get paid . If it is salary / 195 days, then they should be planning . If though it’s a lesser figure ( sometimes county wide figure) which is less than this , then they shouldn’t have to plan Personally for a longer term job I would prefer the higher rate and to plan for the class .

wafflesmgee · 20/04/2024 15:30

ArseholeCatIsABlackAndWhiteCat · 20/04/2024 15:25

Can you ask for extra PPA time or support from SLT?

YABU to be annoyed AT the supply teacher though. They negotiated conditions that would benefit them.

When I did supply I didn't negotiate conditions, I was told them by my agency and had no say.

ArchesOfsunflowers · 20/04/2024 15:30

Yeah, I’ve said this as supply.
They want to pay me less, I’m not really up for doing the job as if I was employed for another 8-10k.
Also frankly, every day there’s flexible day to day supply on offer. Easier than getting caught up in planning, parents evenings etc for the same money!
When I was a deputy headteacher I once tried 19 agencies to find a long time supply this Time of year!

Hankunamatata · 20/04/2024 15:30

Annoying but aren't you planning for your own class anyway?

wafflesmgee · 20/04/2024 15:29

YaBU because you are paid more than the supply, you can pay into your pension, they cannot as supply, also you will be paid over the summer and they will not.

I teach in a single form entry school so have to do all my own planning, but am on the same pay scales nationally as those who work in 2,3,4 entry schools, so rather than complaining try flipping it and realise how lucky you have been up to now.

They can't force the supply to be responsible for book scrutinies because then they'd have to pay them properly as a proper teacher.

The only grey area is PPA, are they paid for this? If so, you could argue they should do planning for, say, one subject out of the 9

KTheGrey · 20/04/2024 15:29

Supply teachers don't have the generous pension provision and usually aren't paid to scale. So they don't do the extra.

CommentNow · 20/04/2024 15:28

School think you'll do it and are hedging their bets that you will grumble, stay and do it whereas supply teacher will just turn down job. They think they need her more than you at the moment. .

I'd do as someone else said- tell school you cant do it unless something else is taken off your plate. If they refuse I'd go off with stress until September or until they make alternative arrangements.

ellesbellesxxx · 20/04/2024 15:28

Yanbu to be annoyed at the situation. I always had to plan when on long term supply.

I like the idea of asking for extra PPA time though as a solution

Nannyogg134 · 20/04/2024 15:27

I understand why you're annoyed, but this is the reality of the role. I'm in secondary and had to plan for a different humanities subject to support a long term supply.

Podgedodge · 20/04/2024 15:27

Check with your union.

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