To be a bit annoyed at Supply Teacher not having to do any planning?

But should OP have to do extra unpaid work to facilitate this. Would anyone in any other profession be asked to do a significant amount of unpaid work for another member of staff for no extra pay and be expected to feel bad for not being happy about it! Refuse to do this OP. The headteacher who employed the supply teacher can sort it out!

I think supply is the way to go, get paid more and if you just do short term than no planning or marking involved 😁. Obviously no sick pay or holidays though ……

Obviously supply teachers don’t plan, why would they! They teach and go home. They are only paid for contact time.
I teach a mixed year class so do double your planning. Instead of being on here moaning about it, get on with it!

It's a tough ask when other teachers in the school are sharing planning, but as many have said, teachers in 1FE schools do this week in, week out all year. I think you can reasonably be expected to plan, but you shouldn't be doing all the resourcing, printing and organising for the other class. That really would be additional workload. I would expect additional PPA for that, as the work really would be doubled.

I did a maternity cover on long term supply (3 days a week) and shared the planning with my job share partner. I also attended all staff meetings - though I did get a bit of extra paid PPA which covered that. I also claimed for inset days.

I was (am) paid on M6 though because I have a supply contract with the specific school, I don't teach anywhere else (and it's my children's school). It's a mutually beneficial situation. I would not have done the planning if I were with an agency, and being paid much less.

I still do a regular afternoon a week at the school (plus any extra supply that comes up). I claim an extra hour per week for the planning/marking that goes with my regular afternoon because I'm also subject leader and do the planning in my subject for half the school. I had to ask for that though, it wasn't automatically given to me.

>as the supply only agreed to do the role if she was not required to do the planning

Can't really be mad at the supply for only agreeing to work on her own terms, she especially has the upper hand and bargaining power with how desperate schools are for cover now.

Respect to the supply for negotiating that deal! However I understand it is annoying for you. But your annoyance should be with the school, not the sub

The school is probably desperate. Speak to your union and try to get more PPA.

In the school I worked in, supply teachers do no planning.
That's why they are supply teachers. They teach to someone else's planning then go home.

At best, a supply teacher is paid 1/195 per day. At worst, if engaged through a less scrupulous agency, they are paid significantly less. I wouldn't expect a supply teacher to do any planning, INSET or staff meetings.

By the time Nospecialcharactersplease made her "there's always one" comment there were actually 2 PPs who suggested it and now there's a 3rd and Cormorant's colleague too causing great problems for Cormorant's own health.

Maybe Rishi when was referring to the "sick note culture", specifically stress, etc, he really meant amongst public sector workers and not those on benefits really. But, that would be political suicide wouldn't it?

I think you should ask to have at least some of their PPA time transferred to you.

What's happening about reports? They're going to be a harder job for the supply teacher, unless the outgoing teacher was asked to do an initial draft for them to add to.

We've got long term supply teachers (secondary maths) who refuse to plan or mark, so their marking gets shared out between the department.

It's them or no one though, so beggars can't be choosers.

I'm a supply teacher. I've only ever planned once in a long term cover and I got PPA and I was paid to scale which was £50 a day more than my ordinary daily rate.

I’m sure supply teachers used to plan but they don’t now. It’s standard.

The friends I have who do supply are experienced teachers and are reporting schools wanting to pay no more than M4. Other people I know are being offered cover jobs as cover supervisors and then the school seems to think they can get all the benefits of an experienced teacher for cover supervisor pay. There's also no sick pay, worse terms and conditions, no TPS too and no guarantee of work.

Your SLT need to find a way to manage the workload for you though. This isn't a supply teacher issue. It's an SLT issue.

Short term supply never plan.

Long term it's a matter of negotiation and because it's extra work that usually people went into supply to get rid of they either won't do it or charge extra.

These days the school is lucky to have long term supply.

Can you negotiate with SLT to share it out/use old planning/ use schemes?

Sorry, it's shit for the permiies who need to plan etc.

Is it any more work planning for both classes then it would be planning for just your own class? If not then I don’t think you can argue this, as supply don’t usually do planning and it’s not more work then if you just had your 1 class anyway. If it is more work then complain and ask their plan as you can’t do it all yourself.

That doesn’t seem fair. Not sure what you can do about it aside from vote with your feet though, or go sick.

I planned on long term supply. Including when I was supposed to be 4 days p/w (with head having the class on Fridays). Every week he would ask me to do Friday too. There were 2 weeks I couldn't - and he got me to plan for that day 🤦‍♀️

That said, supply teachers are often paid less than their contracted colleagues, don't have access to TPS, don't have proper sick pay, and have no job security. Being expected to take on full time responsibilities when all the above applies is the worst of both worlds - so good on them for sticking to their guns.

You are being unreasonable.

As an experienced teacher in Scotland, my DD moved to England last year and now does short term supply over a large area. She is enjoying the freedom of taking short term supply, experiencing many different schools, classes, stages and ages, and has no interest in anything longer than a week.

She expects basic lesson plans to be in place when she arrives to take a class. Occasionally a badly run school will throw her into a class with no planning, no advance warnings of 'issues' and no support. As an experienced teacher she makes the best of this and still provides appropriate lessons to the stage/class, but tells the agency she will not accept supply to that school again.

She doesn't have to put up with a poor school environment, that is the real bonus of supply. My DD would not take on any supply if she was expected to do planning. Why should she?

Are they getting PPA time? Surely they shouldn't be getting that. Your school will have had a plan in place to cover the PPA of the previous teacher so could you have both slots?

I do long term supply in schools. Usually I do my own planning but won't put anywhere near the time and effort I used to when permanent.

On supply you are nowhere near scale, obviously have no security and are technically paid only specific number if hours per day e.g. 8 am to 3:30. You are also subject to performance management unless on a contract. Most schools don't offer this but some do.

I'm quite open that the whole reason I went supply was for work life balance so refuse to work weekends and evenings unless paid e.g for parents evening. You are not subject to directed time so can refuse meetings etc. I'm quite open with the school about this.

Right now school struggle to get supply so school make far more allowance than they did pre pandemic.

The final thing I'd say is that supply staff are not usually trusted to do long term schemes of work exactly because they are seem as a stop gap until someone is permanently hired. If you are expecting someone who could be fired at no notice to put the same level of effort or commitment into the planning as you do then you are deluding yourself. Would you really want to base your lessons on the planning from someone who doesn't want to do it and has no incentive to perform?

Tricky one. Sometimes in a 2 form entry school you get a random 1 form year where that teacher is the only one doing all the planning. Equally, I'm in less than a half-form entry school and have had to plan for 2 and, at times, 3 year groups (and for many subjects, it is completely separate planning plus you spend more time doing inputs so far less live marking which also adds to your time) and I'm paid the same as I was in 2 form entry. I can see why you're unhappy but I think SLT would be pointing the above out. I suppose you could argue that you only need to do planning that is detailed enough you can follow it, rather than someone else being able to do so. You are only responsible for your own class, not two classes.

Planning just for your own class in a one (or half) form entry is completely different to planning in a two or more form entry when other teachers are expecting to be use your planning - the level of detail required is not comparable. I would far rather plan for just my own class in a one form entry that do half the planning in a two form entry. It's much quicker.

So, if the supply is expecting to use your planning, OP and you are being asked to plan in detail, every subject then no, that is completely unfair. You should be asking for twice as much PPA, at least.