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To be a bit annoyed at Supply Teacher not having to do any planning?

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ioryou · 20/04/2024 15:14

I am a Year 4 teacher in a 2 form entry primary school, my year group teacher left at Easter for a job in another school. Therefore, we have a long term supply in until the end of the school year and the school are advertising for a position with a September start. With my previous colleague we shared the planning between us, however I have been told by SLT that I will have to do all planning by myself as the supply only agreed to do the role if she was not required to do the planning. Supply also has been told she will not be subject to book scrutinies and will not need to attend staff meetings after school or INSET days.

AIBU to be a bit annoyed at having to all the planning now? I thought long term supply had the responsibility of planning?

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Foxymoxy68 · 20/04/2024 19:55

Schools have to pay more if they want supply teachers to plan in my experience. But no supply teacher in their right mind would want to plan anyway. Surely that's the beauty of being on supply that you don't have all that crap. They should give you a bit more time to plan for both classes although in a one form entry, teachers have to plan everything all the time.

onedayiwillbecontent · 20/04/2024 19:50

With all due respect, most teachers have to plan everything themselves. It is temporary until the end of July. You are lucky to have a two form entry where teachers share planning. Supply teaching is poorly paid.

fairydust11 · 20/04/2024 19:49

Yabu - supply often aren’t paid to scale - or get paid into the teacher’s pension. They are not in a contract with the school, therefore not obligated to do this, that’s the nature of supply.
This is something their agency would’ve agreed with the school and not the supply teachers responsibility. The school could’ve filled the position with a fixed term contract until the summer whereby the teacher would be working directly for the school with all of the responsibilities such as planning that come with this, but instead they have opted for supply…

However, I do think you have the right to ask SLT for extra PPA/ report writing time etc. as you are planning for the whole year group. You should get some extra time as I believe that’s only fair.

FrippEnos · 20/04/2024 19:47

When we had long term supply in they had several levels.
No planning, marking, preparation, meetings or parents evenings
No planning, meetings or parents evenings but did mark and preparation
did all of the above.

All had different pay rates.

It is very likely that your school has gone for the cheapest option.

CrushingOnRubies · 20/04/2024 19:44

idontlikealdi · 20/04/2024 15:25

Supply don't do planning IME.

This

Unless they are particularly conscientious want a job at the school for the job they are currently supplying

Luxell934 · 20/04/2024 19:44

Shaketherombooga · 20/04/2024 15:24

What if that supply leaves tomorrow or the next day or the next week? To be replaced by another supply? Then another?
How can you not see that it’s better for the children to have one teacher planning when the 2nd may not be around long, doesn’t know them very well, doesn’t know the school?

Yea this. And she isn’t getting paid holidays or into her pension either.

MintHedgehog · 20/04/2024 19:39

Supply only get paid for the time children are in school. It is unreasonable to expect them to do unpaid inset days / after school meetings.

When I did supply many years ago I was barely making minimum wage over the year. It is made worse when permanent staff were often actively unkind and unwelcoming.

Notquitefinishe · 20/04/2024 19:34

TheAirRunningOut · 20/04/2024 18:36

What a ridiculous statement! What do you think happens in basically every other profession when someone is off sick - other people pick up the slack. Teachers always seem to think they have it worst in terms of workload for some strange reason…

Honestly, most of us really really don't! Please see my reply 4 above yours. I cringe when I read statements like the one you were referring to.

Autumn1990 · 20/04/2024 19:27

Are the plans etc still there from last year? As it should be a case of check them through, tart them up and use them again. Unless some bright spark has decided to change what you’re teaching.

CelesteCunningham · 20/04/2024 19:21

Unfortunately it's common in every career to be overworked between a colleague leaving and the replacement being up to speed. It's just one of those things - one day you'll likely move jobs and leave someone else similarly in the lurch.

exomoon · 20/04/2024 19:10

2mummies1baby · 20/04/2024 18:47

Are you a teacher? Unless you are at a one form entry school, you share the planning with your colleagues, so would only do half or less of the planning. Doing all the planning is not a normal workload.

Share the planning with any colleagues or other colleagues that are full salaried teachers?

exomoon · 20/04/2024 19:09

I kind of admire her. I'm not in education in any capacity but I imagine supply teachers have a pretty raw deal in terms of salary/pension. It's not fair on you but I think she's right to refuse to do these things.

I'm reminded of the thread by the TA who was regularly expected to fill in for teachers on her measly pay. It all sounds very sexist to me.

MinervaMcGonagallsCat · 20/04/2024 18:50

Is the supply teacher paid for planning and attending inset days?

2mummies1baby · 20/04/2024 18:47

everydaywonderful · 20/04/2024 16:05

sounds like you had it cushty only needing to do half of your planning until now. and now it is a ore normal work load.

Are there previous years plans you can use? Or published SOWs?

Are you a teacher? Unless you are at a one form entry school, you share the planning with your colleagues, so would only do half or less of the planning. Doing all the planning is not a normal workload.

Miffycat14 · 20/04/2024 18:46

I’m a supply teacher. I get about £90 a day less than I got last year in my permanent position. There’s no way I will take on full responsibilities for this rate. Your school need to employ someone directly if they want a teacher to undertake planning, and pay accordingly.

patchworkpal · 20/04/2024 18:45

Quit and be a supply teacher?

2mummies1baby · 20/04/2024 18:43

I would do the planning, but request extra PPA to ensure you have time.

Chocolateorange11 · 20/04/2024 18:41

I don’t think it’s unreasonable that you are annoyed about essentially being given more work.

I also don’t think the supply teacher is unreasonable for setting boundaries about not doing the planning since this isn’t typically included for supply.

Have you told your line manager you are not happy? Have you asked for extra planning time? I’m assuming the supply teacher won’t need to use any planning time so could have theirs?

KatherineofGaunt · 20/04/2024 18:39

The supply teacher is almost certainly being paid well under their experience level. They will have no pension or sick pay and their contract can be terminated at any time by the school for no reason.

If the school wants someone to plan, attend meetings, do more than standard marking, they need to pay the teacher more. But they have gone for the convenience of a supply and giving a large amount of their daily spend to an agency, rather than the teacher doing the work.

So YABU for expecting someone to do something they're not paid for. It's one term, it's not that bad.

TheAirRunningOut · 20/04/2024 18:36

Aishah231 · 20/04/2024 18:28

But should OP have to do extra unpaid work to facilitate this. Would anyone in any other profession be asked to do a significant amount of unpaid work for another member of staff for no extra pay and be expected to feel bad for not being happy about it! Refuse to do this OP. The headteacher who employed the supply teacher can sort it out!

What a ridiculous statement! What do you think happens in basically every other profession when someone is off sick - other people pick up the slack. Teachers always seem to think they have it worst in terms of workload for some strange reason…

BurbageBrook · 20/04/2024 18:35

The supply teacher has no obligation to do her own planning as she's paid a day rate. You need to be given time to plan by your SLT though.

Redditchcycler · 20/04/2024 18:33

CormorantStrikesBack · 20/04/2024 15:22

Go off with stress due to increased workload?

What a fantastic attitude!
As others have said probably the only way they could get the cover- though why they didn't advertise for a replacement in time is a mystery. Can you negotiate with SLT that you get some time or help with plannning from them ?

Bookworm1111 · 20/04/2024 18:31

Her day rate will be a lot less than your salary and for contracted hours only - why should she work overtime for free?

Notquitefinishe · 20/04/2024 18:30

Aishah231 · 20/04/2024 18:28

But should OP have to do extra unpaid work to facilitate this. Would anyone in any other profession be asked to do a significant amount of unpaid work for another member of staff for no extra pay and be expected to feel bad for not being happy about it! Refuse to do this OP. The headteacher who employed the supply teacher can sort it out!

Oh come on, as teachers we really do ourselves a disservice saying things like this. It's embarrassing. Yes it's rubbish doing extra unpaid work when a colleague is of sick but of course it happens in other professions.

TheAirRunningOut · 20/04/2024 18:28

CormorantStrikesBack · 20/04/2024 15:22

Go off with stress due to increased workload?

That’s an awful thing to suggest! No wonder people don’t take stress seriously and think that people off with stress are skiving!

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