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To be a bit annoyed at Supply Teacher not having to do any planning?

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ioryou · 20/04/2024 15:14

I am a Year 4 teacher in a 2 form entry primary school, my year group teacher left at Easter for a job in another school. Therefore, we have a long term supply in until the end of the school year and the school are advertising for a position with a September start. With my previous colleague we shared the planning between us, however I have been told by SLT that I will have to do all planning by myself as the supply only agreed to do the role if she was not required to do the planning. Supply also has been told she will not be subject to book scrutinies and will not need to attend staff meetings after school or INSET days.

AIBU to be a bit annoyed at having to all the planning now? I thought long term supply had the responsibility of planning?

OP posts:
Longma · 20/04/2024 21:46

I think if I were you I’d be arguing that as she doesn’t need her PPA, you should get her slot seeing as you are now doing twice the planning.

The op doesn't say if the supply teacher gets any PPA time.
As supply, they may not get any.
Or they may get a reduced amount for classroom/lesson prep and assessment, but not planning.

Regardless - whatever the supply has organised with the school is their business. The op cannot dictate the supply teacher's work contract. It also isn't the supply teacher's fault that the op now has an increased workload.

Aramiss · 20/04/2024 21:46

@Longma yes, in 2 form entry+ schools.
There are a huge amount of schools that are smaller.
Like the person you quoted, I don't know many teachers who share planning either, but then I work in a fairly rural part of north Yorkshire, which is a huge county, with lots of village schools.

Longma · 20/04/2024 21:43

Poppinjay · 20/04/2024 21:38

@AloeVerity it's still fraudulent to go off sick if you're well but don't like what you've been asked to do at work.

It's not a strategy I've heard of being used in other professions yet it seems to be quite routine in education.

It really isn't common in education either!
30+ years of teaching and it's not something I come across often, if at all.

Aramiss · 20/04/2024 21:42

Padfootnprongs · 20/04/2024 21:38

I mean, yes it is unfair on you.
However, kudos to the supply teacher for having boundaries, stating her terms and sticking to her guns.
If teachers did that en masse it would not be such a shitty profession to work in.

I think if I were you I’d be arguing that as she doesn’t need her PPA, you should get her slot seeing as you are now doing twice the planning.

What, so someone gets 20% PPA because they're planning for two classes? The planning is going to be the same for both classes, so the same for one class really.

I only get 10% PPA to do all the planning for my class in my one form entry.
The OP is lucky planning is shared. Most teachers have to do it all. In my area most schools are one form entry or.less.

Longma · 20/04/2024 21:41

I have taught for 35 years and know most teachers do plan everything all by themselves!

I don't know any primary school teachers, working in 2+ form entries who do all their own planning,
It's always shared, with subjects rotated, ime.

Long term plans - drafted by the subject lead across the school
Medium term plans - shared workload across the year group teachers, often done with subject lead support where needed
Short term planning and lesson material - shared workload across the year group

Then individual class teachers tweak these to meet the needs of their class, adding scaffolding support for specific children, etc.

Then some subjects may be bought in curriculums so the long and medium terms are already provided. Individual lesson plans are also using provided in such schemes, along with lesson materials. Teachers then tweak for the classes as and where needed.

It seems very inefficient for every teacher in the year group to plan every lesson for their class, when all need to be taught the same content at the same time - to ensure consistency and progression throughout the school.

Poppinjay · 20/04/2024 21:38

@AloeVerity it's still fraudulent to go off sick if you're well but don't like what you've been asked to do at work.

It's not a strategy I've heard of being used in other professions yet it seems to be quite routine in education.

Padfootnprongs · 20/04/2024 21:38

I mean, yes it is unfair on you.
However, kudos to the supply teacher for having boundaries, stating her terms and sticking to her guns.
If teachers did that en masse it would not be such a shitty profession to work in.

I think if I were you I’d be arguing that as she doesn’t need her PPA, you should get her slot seeing as you are now doing twice the planning.

onedayiwillbecontent · 20/04/2024 21:36

2mummies1baby · 20/04/2024 20:51

I wouldn't say she's lucky- one-form-entry schools are pretty rare.

Not in the region I live! I have never taught in a school with more than one class per year group.

AloeVerity · 20/04/2024 21:34

@Poppinjay - it’s the same as anyone is advised in any other industry. Being worked to the bone or forced to do extra leads to stress, which leads to time off. It’s no reflection on the profession, rather on management/the government who expect 110% commitment for lower than professional level salaries. It’s no coincidence that this piss taking affects a predominately female workforce. If all teachers worked to rule, the powers that be would soon listen. Enabling a broken system to continue helps no one. Well done to the OP for fighting back!

Longma · 20/04/2024 21:33

OP - your annoyance is with the wrong person.
It's not the job of the supply teacher to plan, unless they took in a contract which specified this and they were paid the enhanced rates. Same as meetings and INSET - supply don't usually do these and if they do they should be paid for them. Many schools chose not to todo this though. If there is an inset day they won't be paid if they are not there, that's how it works.

Many supply teachers will do live marking in the classroom, though many wouldn't be marking things that would mean they need to stay later than their paid hours.

Your annoyance needs to be with your SLT as they are the people who are increasing your workload.

onedayiwillbecontent · 20/04/2024 21:33

2mummies1baby · 20/04/2024 20:50

Most primary school teachers do not plan all lessons themselves- that would only happen in a one-form-entry school.

I have taught for 35 years and know most teachers do plan everything all by themselves!

Longma · 20/04/2024 21:26

Hankunamatata · 20/04/2024 15:30

Annoying but aren't you planning for your own class anyway?

In multi-form schools it's fairly common for teachers in the year group to share the planning. Teachers then just tweak to make it more tailored to their specific class where needed,

It would be daft for everyone to do individual planning if there were 2 or 3 classes per year group, when they are all expected to be taught the same thing. It would be a very inefficient way of working.

Jennaveeve · 20/04/2024 21:12

DS has a long term supply teacher part of the week. She doesn’t plan, she’s very open about that. She was a full time teacher at the school who retired and then came back as LTS 2 days a week. The other teacher does all the planning because she’s paid to. The supply teacher isn’t paid her full rate so why should she do the job like she is?

WearyAuldWumman · 20/04/2024 21:10

ioryou · 20/04/2024 15:14

I am a Year 4 teacher in a 2 form entry primary school, my year group teacher left at Easter for a job in another school. Therefore, we have a long term supply in until the end of the school year and the school are advertising for a position with a September start. With my previous colleague we shared the planning between us, however I have been told by SLT that I will have to do all planning by myself as the supply only agreed to do the role if she was not required to do the planning. Supply also has been told she will not be subject to book scrutinies and will not need to attend staff meetings after school or INSET days.

AIBU to be a bit annoyed at having to all the planning now? I thought long term supply had the responsibility of planning?

I work in Scotland, but I'd expect long-term supply to do planning, etc.

I'm now a supply teacher myself. I plan the work if I know what classes I have in advance and it's my subject. My experience is that schools often bend over backwards for supply when they're having difficulty attracting staff.

I've not been asked to do reports or parents' evenings, but would be willing to help out. However, I only do two days a week maximum and I'm doing a mixture of covering for my own subject and general supply.

In my previous existence as a middle manager, I had my SLT informing me that the part-time teacher they'd employed for a year would not be taking any period 1 classes (because she had several children) and would not be writing reports.

I smiled sweetly and asked who would be writing the reports. The SLT member concerned look astonished, spluttered and said he'd do the reports. (He was our line manager, but had a different specialism.)

I'd like to think that I did my job well, but my mother didn't raise me to be a doormat.

OP, please speak to your union. Whatever happens, you shouldn't be getting extra work.

LolaSmiles · 20/04/2024 21:00

How can you plan for a class you're not teaching? You won't know what they need support with or where their learning needs are for the next week.
Personal planning and doing the medium term subject plans aren't the same thing.

My personal planning would be brief notes in my planner if what I'm doing from the medium term planning and reminders of which students I need to work with. That's just for me.

My medium term planning for colleagues to work from was much more detailed. Most supply teachers wouldn't be doing this.

cheesychip · 20/04/2024 20:57

How can you plan for a class you're not teaching? You won't know what they need support with or where their learning needs are for the next week.

GladysHeeler · 20/04/2024 20:54

Not where I am they aren't. They are absolutely the norm. In fact, we have infant and junior schools so teachers have extra subject responsibility as well as assembly and playground duties.

2mummies1baby · 20/04/2024 20:51

onedayiwillbecontent · 20/04/2024 19:50

With all due respect, most teachers have to plan everything themselves. It is temporary until the end of July. You are lucky to have a two form entry where teachers share planning. Supply teaching is poorly paid.

I wouldn't say she's lucky- one-form-entry schools are pretty rare.

2mummies1baby · 20/04/2024 20:50

onedayiwillbecontent · 20/04/2024 20:00

Most teachers plan all lessons all by themselves! Would your advice be that most teachers go off sick? There would be barely any left!

Edited

Most primary school teachers do not plan all lessons themselves- that would only happen in a one-form-entry school.

2mummies1baby · 20/04/2024 20:47

exomoon · 20/04/2024 19:10

Share the planning with any colleagues or other colleagues that are full salaried teachers?

Edited

Your teacher colleagues- so if it is a two-form entry school, there will be two full-salaried teachers, each of whom will do half the planning.

cardibach · 20/04/2024 20:34

Notamum12345577 · 20/04/2024 18:25

I think supply is the way to go, get paid more and if you just do short term than no planning or marking involved 😁. Obviously no sick pay or holidays though ……

Paid more? I have 35 years of experience and I get paid as though I were a first year teacher. That’s in Wales where there are rules. In England it could be less. Supply do not in any way get paid more. Plus no sick pay and no pension.

MissAtomicBomb1 · 20/04/2024 20:27

Notamum12345577 · 20/04/2024 18:25

I think supply is the way to go, get paid more and if you just do short term than no planning or marking involved 😁. Obviously no sick pay or holidays though ……

Just in case anyone else who is similarly ill informed is reading this thread thinking supply teachers get paid more, they don't.
My M6 rate is £244, (that's salary/195 days)
My supply rate was £135 so no way would I be planning etc!

GladysHeeler · 20/04/2024 20:22

There would be barely any left!

That's pretty much true anyway. Grin

Poppinjay · 20/04/2024 20:10

That doesn’t seem fair. Not sure what you can do about it aside from vote with your feet though, or go sick.

It's shocking that so many posters have told the OP to go off sick to force SLT to do what she wants. Going off sick in protest when you're not unwell is fraud.

The fact that this is suggested so readily doesn't cover the profession in glory.

onedayiwillbecontent · 20/04/2024 20:00

Nospecialcharactersplease · 20/04/2024 15:39

There’s always one.

Most teachers plan all lessons all by themselves! Would your advice be that most teachers go off sick? There would be barely any left!

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