To be a bit annoyed at Supply Teacher not having to do any planning?

I agree, I do daily and short term supply because it doesn’t come with all the baggage. And I have my agency and schools constantly trying to get me to agree to more.
There are downsides to supply, but after decades of being a class teacher, I was startled to realise just how lovely it is to be wanted, appreciated and thanked for doing my job. Rarely happened before supply, but now people are delighted someone reasonably competent has shown up.
Even on a day’s supply, I light-mark work, do a break duty if I can and am positive about what I see in a school. I’m still out of the door by 4.30pm, and take nothing with me. It’s worth the pay cut for the flexibility and lack of stress.

Speaking as a supply teacher myself. This is one of the many perks of the job!

It's our market at the moment. I've never been busier, and there's not enough of us to fill the roles out there.
Supply teachers don't want the BS that comes with the rest of the job - that includes planning, marking, performance management etc. And if schools don't want/aren't able to give us the conditions we want, we shrug and go elsewhere. Supply teachers get to pick and chose the conditions they want to work for.
Why work harder for the same money?

Yes, it's a pain in the arse for you - but it's not the supply teachers issue. This is an SLT issue.

I’m in the SE, so not remote in the slightest.
Two form entry in primary is normal in the towns and cities, some have three.
But there’s a huge number of villages that have one form entry schools, often split year groups. Half the primary schools in West Sussex have under 150 pupils.

You are really lucky to have a supply turn up at all these days and exceptionally lucky to have one willing to stay till end of term - so be nice to her !

This is true at the moment. Increasingly I'm arriving at schools that have no teacher and where they are having a different supply teacher for a few days and then another one. Or where TAs are covering.

Most supply teachers are doing it because they want to, not because they can't get a job. They don't want a full time position.

In certain areas this is the norm, I accept that, but nationwide, are one form entry schools really the majority?

Interesting that people think going off sick with stress is the preserve of those not in teaching. Says a lot about the inbuilt expectations placed upon teachers - keep going until you break, accept less than decent recompense, just do another after school club… But remember, it’s the children who’ll suffer if you don’t. So many women guilt tripped into exploitation and then castigated by their own if they take a stand.

When I was a supply teacher I literally just turned up and was handed the days work photocopied I barely marked and I definitely did not plan and big fat no to meetings !

This is the point of supply swan in , swan out , remember she is not paid for holidays and it's not a great daily rate

My job was to keep things ticking over so parents and kids are happy
If I wanted a full time job with all the stress I'd get a full time job

You are really lucky to have a supply turn up at all these days and exceptionally lucky to have one willing to stay till end of term - so be nice to her !

You should have planning available from previous years that you can tweak, rather than starting from scratch.
Most foundation subjects seem to use Twinkl or similar one size fits all resources available generically online.
Most schools seem to be defining success by outcome, rather than planning to five levels of need and differentiating now. So planning is less complex.
It might not be what you expected, or would like, but supply is a different job with disadvantages as well as positives. The school are probably delighted they’ve found someone to cover and have accepted those conditions.

That will help the kids! You know, the ones they are there, being paid to teach.

This would infuriate me. They’ve doubled your workload but not doubled your PPA. Yes, single-form entry schools mean that teachers plan everything but you didn’t apply to a single-form entry school. You work in a school where planning is always shared. It’s a huge workload increase. Definitely ask to discuss how you’re going to manage this - with a union rep if useful.

As a point of interest, the average primary school has around 270 pupils so much closer to one form entry than two. Only an average though.

YABU because supply teachers get paid less than a permanent teacher and do not get paid through the holidays so overall earn pretty much minimum wage over a school year.

If they were paid fairly then you'd have a very strong point though.

Yet you feel the need to open the thread and post multiple times.

My mum
Used to be a supply teacher before she retired. She spent most of her time planning. Our lives revolved around her planning!

1. No she hasn't.
2. Captive audience. Do you know what the phrase means? Clearly not.
3. You're not so bored you couldn't post.

Is it not the opposite that gets teachers in a bad spot? Constantly asking for more of this, more of that.

The head or the deputy or the key stage lead. If the school is in a trust sometimes you get the planning from a teacher in the same year in a different school.

Here's another thing...thanks to noblegiraffe inundating aibu with their 'poor teacher' threads for many years now; with an obvious captive audience given it's Mumsnet, we're all a bit numb/bored with it now.

Maybe take it to the Staffroom?

Who does the planning for a long term supply in a one-form entry school? Someone who doesn't know the class or year? Someone who is also doing their own planning? Doesn't sound ideal for the children.

Quite possibly the supply doesn’t get PPA, which will mean the school is making a saving on the back of OP’s extra work. I think she has a strong argument that she should get some extra planning time at least (perhaps 15%, as presumably the supply teacher will do the marking).

To be quite clear, I work in schools and so I do realise that the request will get laughed out of the staffroom! BUT, I also think teachers need to start advocating for themselves more and fighting for their time.

We know that pay is never going to be high enough to compensate for the ridiculous working hours currently expected. So, the alternative is to push back on the hours.

If enough teachers did this, things would slowly have to change.

Unless the supply is contracted long term of course.
You shouldn't be doing it for them.

You know, here's a thing, for whatever reason new grads decide on teaching for a career; they spend a coupla years teaching, find it a bit tough, blame the parents/students as they're an easy target; then have a kid or two themselves. Making sure they eke out every bit of MAT they can.

Then quelle surprise having a kid or 2 isn't so easy peasy lemon squeezy, particularly if you're juggling kids, childcare, school and a job.

Life is difficult.

For many, not just teachers.

The head or DP should be doing the planning.

This the attitude that gets teachers in a bad spot! Everyone has to work as hard as the hardest worker! Wouldn’t it be better if we used the cushiest job as the benchmark, rather than the hardest job?!

No point comparing OP’s school to a one-form entry. We all know schools vary massively. Some teachers have 17 well behaved children in a class, others have wild classes of 38. Just the way it is.

Every other teacher in OP’s school gets 10% time to do 50% of the planning. Seems fair for OP to ask for twice the time her colleagues get, seeing as she does twice the work. Especially as she is being held to the same standards as they are.

I did refer to multi-class year groups.

I don't know the stats on how many teachers work in single entry or multi entry schools, or even shared year group classes - I'd imagine the prep and planning time in those classes must be even greater,

In my area, and where my teacher friends work, almost all schools have at least 2 forms per year group. Though my dd has been doing supply in the country next to ours which has much smaller classes in the villages - shared year group classes mainly.