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to think cutting benefits will increase crime

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everydaywonderful · 20/04/2024 13:25

because people need money, you know, for food and rent and stuff. I'd be prepared to break the law before seeing my children without food, or homeless, wouldn't you?

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Cygnetmad · 20/04/2024 17:01

Whateveer · 20/04/2024 14:20

What do you suggest the alternative is? Do you think its better paying unlimited benefits to people who refuse to work?

Some people will never be able to work. Not everyone who depends on benefits is a refusenik. Believe it or not, for some there is just no way.

queenofcruises · 20/04/2024 16:59

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caringcarer · 20/04/2024 16:59

@everydaywonderful, just because you found a job agency that advertised a job that didn't exist you make a sweeping generalisation that all job agencies must do this? 2 of my sons have signed up to different job agencies and both have found jobs that did exist. By your logic we should x 2 all agency vacancies then! If you go by one or two anecdotes. My younger son found a job through a job agency. After 6 months he was taken on by the company directly and got a £4.5k pay rise. My elder son is a Class 1 lorry driver and his job agency found him 3 jobs at different tones in his life including when he moved cities. These jobs all existed. I think you have just been very unlucky with your agency that has fictitious jobs. You do realise these job agencies only get paid by real companies for providing real staff. An agency that only had fictitious jobs would soon be out of business. 😂

Onlywedressbetter · 20/04/2024 16:58

Total ignorance, you do realise that most jobs won't be 40 hours a week!
Also a lot of jobs want you to be flexible with your working hours, so trying to fit a second or even third job around that becomes impossible.

Boomer55 · 20/04/2024 16:58

This is just election year spin. The Tories know it wouldn’t go through this year.

Unless Labour wish to do the same, or the Tories get re-elected, it won’t run.

tiggergoesbounce · 20/04/2024 16:57

Get a job or go to jail
Who's going to jail ??? The jails are full as they are?

InTheUpsideDownToday · 20/04/2024 16:57

TheCatOnTheBedIsAllMineAllMine · 20/04/2024 13:27

I would yes. I can’t see this happening. Where are they going to magic the jobs from? What about the children? Empty rhetoric to appeal to the Tory blue rinse brigade as an election approaches

Tory voters where I live are all middle aged gammons and gammonesses. All frothing as soon as benefits get mentioned.

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everydaywonderful · 20/04/2024 16:56

queenofcruises · 20/04/2024 16:45

how are you accessing this forum out of curiosity? what are you using? so for example i am sat at home on my mac book using my full fiber internet connection?

you are either on a PC, LAPTOP or SMART PHONE. you won't be in a public place because you'd have to pay for that and you can't afford it.

i smell a rat

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I am on a lap top, what is your point exactly? I am baffled by you

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AS60 · 20/04/2024 16:55

There's a difference between people who can't work for health reasons and people who simply don't want to work.

How do you think people in other developed countries that don't offer such benefits survive? They do work because they have to.

So there are not enough job vacancies but at the same time there are several industries that can't fill their vacancies. There are not enough teachers, doctors, nurses, etc.

How is possible that people from other countries, that don't speak the language, don't have the connections and don't know the British idiosyncrasie are able to find job and native people can't? 🤔

queenofcruises · 20/04/2024 16:54

LolaSmiles · 20/04/2024 16:53

nah... sorry but the rich should not pay more because they are rich is wrong (and no i am not rich).
They should pay their fair share like everyone else does.

In reality the middle earners to upper middle classes end up being hit over and over again whilst the people with millions and billions in their banks use their wealth to find nice little loopholes to minimise their tax bills and avoid paying their fair share.

I don't think children should be going without mental health support and appropriate education, or families should be going without the services they need, or people with long term illnesses should be struggling to get healthcare whilst the tip 1-5% do all they can to avoid paying tax.

fair share i agree with, same as businesses.... but not more.

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everydaywonderful · 20/04/2024 16:54

caringcarer · 20/04/2024 16:49

Job agencies will find more or less anyone with very few qualifications or skills a job. I know someone who works in an agency matching people to jobs, and he tells me they can find a job for most people. Even people who can't read can stack shelves.

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That is just ignorant - sorry, but it is. I know many young people who can't read, have learning difficulties, or whatever. . Jobs for people who can't read are so rare that competition for them is fiercer than competition to get into Oxbridge.

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queenofcruises · 20/04/2024 16:53

pointythings · 20/04/2024 16:50

Now you're being malevolent. Having internet access, whether via smartphone or otherwise, is not a luxury. Nearly everything is online with very little in the way of alternatives. Instead of imagining this poster on the latest gold plated iPhone with inset diamonds of the purest water, you'd be more in the ball park imagining her with a refurbed smartphone, hopefully using something like GiffGaff for a generous and cheap data allowance.

Honestly, I'm disappointed in you.

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i wont worry about your disappointment... i'll go with my gut instinct on this one!

if they hadn't mentioned that they didnt have a Flat Screen TV i would still have been invested.

Yes internet IS a luxury if it means the difference between my child having food and shoes on their feet!

If my child needed food.. i would get rid of every single item valueable or sellable in my house to get that food.

i would beg and borrow... i most certainly would not turn to crime...

sorry i hope the disappointment does not spoil your day...

LolaSmiles · 20/04/2024 16:53

nah... sorry but the rich should not pay more because they are rich is wrong (and no i am not rich).
They should pay their fair share like everyone else does.

In reality the middle earners to upper middle classes end up being hit over and over again whilst the people with millions and billions in their banks use their wealth to find nice little loopholes to minimise their tax bills and avoid paying their fair share.

I don't think children should be going without mental health support and appropriate education, or families should be going without the services they need, or people with long term illnesses should be struggling to get healthcare whilst the tip 1-5% do all they can to avoid paying tax.

WatermelonWaveclub · 20/04/2024 16:52

queenofcruises · 20/04/2024 15:55

another one on their high horse. I GET PIP, i am disabled, I drive and i work! as ive just said and will probably say several times over.... the OP implied that having PiP means you cannot drive.

I've just brought it to the attention of the thread that some people can have PiP, can be disabled, can drive and do work.

I don't believe she implied that. She just suggested not driving is common among those on PIP, which is true.

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everydaywonderful · 20/04/2024 16:51

queenofcruises · 20/04/2024 15:41

and here we have a typical person on benefits justifying why they can't get a job!

I get pip... i work... i drive?

you tried job hunting 'once'.. well done, what happened did it exhaust you?

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Where did I say I was on benefits or that I don't have a job?

I don't need to be exactly in someone else's situation to understand their situation somewhat.

I have job hunted in the past, I have never been unemployed, but I have learnt that the govt website it utterly useless, displays thousands after thousands of non-jobs, and gives totally the wrong impression of what is available, to casual onlookers.

There is not one job available to me in that website of supposedly hundreds of thousands of jobs. Thankfully I have professional qualifications, and can look elsewhere. I have, however, when job hunting in the past, decided I would like to leave my profession, and have looked to see what alternatives there are for me. This is particularly after paying off my mortgage, having no housing costs, and not needing a specific level of income.

My conclusion was, outside of my profession, there was nothing. Nothing at all. Unless I wanted to go commission only, zero hours, or set up my own business. None of which were viable options. Or could drive, which I can't - for medical reasons.

I live in the real world, not some ivory tower of privilege. I know many people are going to be left desperate if this policy is brought in. Who benefits from people in our community being made desperate? No one. Crime will rise as people turn to other sources of food and rent.

You are massively jumping to conclusions. About me, and about the situation of people living in the communities around you

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pointythings · 20/04/2024 16:50

queenofcruises · 20/04/2024 16:45

how are you accessing this forum out of curiosity? what are you using? so for example i am sat at home on my mac book using my full fiber internet connection?

you are either on a PC, LAPTOP or SMART PHONE. you won't be in a public place because you'd have to pay for that and you can't afford it.

i smell a rat

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Now you're being malevolent. Having internet access, whether via smartphone or otherwise, is not a luxury. Nearly everything is online with very little in the way of alternatives. Instead of imagining this poster on the latest gold plated iPhone with inset diamonds of the purest water, you'd be more in the ball park imagining her with a refurbed smartphone, hopefully using something like GiffGaff for a generous and cheap data allowance.

Honestly, I'm disappointed in you.

caringcarer · 20/04/2024 16:49

NotAgainWilson · 20/04/2024 15:16

… if you have a highly sought skill set, that is, and you are knocking at the right doors.

Most of those on low incomes or unemployed are not so fortunate.

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Job agencies will find more or less anyone with very few qualifications or skills a job. I know someone who works in an agency matching people to jobs, and he tells me they can find a job for most people. Even people who can't read can stack shelves.

pointythings · 20/04/2024 16:48

MereDintofPandiculation · 20/04/2024 16:44

Is it possible to get a TV that isn’t flat screen?

You'd have to go to a vintage shop, and it would cost more than a flat screen. The 'flat screen tv' trope is lazy benefit bashing rhetoric.

queenofcruises · 20/04/2024 16:47

MereDintofPandiculation · 20/04/2024 16:44

Is it possible to get a TV that isn’t flat screen?

i smell a rat! this is a wind up see my reply

queenofcruises · 20/04/2024 16:45

everydaywonderful · 20/04/2024 16:40

and if you have never had your nails done, never drink or smoke, don't have a flat screen TV or games consul....

Not everyone has outgoings that can be cut! I am surprised you think getting your nails done every week is a common thing. I've only ever had my nails done for medical reasons. I think I know one person off the top of my head who regularly gets their nails done. I don't think it is normal

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how are you accessing this forum out of curiosity? what are you using? so for example i am sat at home on my mac book using my full fiber internet connection?

you are either on a PC, LAPTOP or SMART PHONE. you won't be in a public place because you'd have to pay for that and you can't afford it.

i smell a rat

MereDintofPandiculation · 20/04/2024 16:44

Is it possible to get a TV that isn’t flat screen?

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everydaywonderful · 20/04/2024 16:40

queenofcruises · 20/04/2024 15:38

No i'd get a job!

The minimum wage is £11.44, thats £429.00 a week or £22,300 a year! thats the minimum any employer can pay you.. so stacking shelves in tesco.. £11.44 an hour, cleaning, £11.44 an hour...

I'd say that people stealing just to feed their kids is very low.. stealing for drugs and other reasons i'd say was very high.

Now i appreciate not everyone can work for one reason or another, and if that was the case I'd look at my outgoings.

Do i need my nails done weekly? smoking and drinking i'd knock that on the head? did i really need the latest iphone? PS5? flatscreen TV?

and if you have never had your nails done, never drink or smoke, don't have a flat screen TV or games consul....

Not everyone has outgoings that can be cut! I am surprised you think getting your nails done every week is a common thing. I've only ever had my nails done for medical reasons. I think I know one person off the top of my head who regularly gets their nails done. I don't think it is normal

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queenofcruises · 20/04/2024 16:40

pointythings · 20/04/2024 16:34

@queenofcruises I get you up to a point, but unlike you, I do not trust this government to be fair, decent or humane towards people who cannot work at all or cannot work full time.

My DS has a host of conditions - autism, depression, anxiety, severe mobility issues that mean he uses a wheelchair, chronic pain and fatigue. There are other symptoms that are part of the syndrome he has, it's complex. Barring a miraculous breakthrough in autoimmune conditions and their treatment, he will not get better.

He takes medication, stays as active as he can and he works - 22.5 hours a week on a shift pattern that gives him at least 3 days of rest between 3/4 consecutive days of working. He gets higher rate PIP for both aspects and between that and his work, he is financially just about OK.

I don't trust the Tories not to reform the system so that he will be forced into full time work. At that point, his conditions will worsen to the point where he will in fact not be able to work at all. This will be bad for his physical and mental health - he wants to work and contribute, but his situation is complex. Rish! Sunak's rhetoric tars everyone with the same brush, stokes up divisions and offers no prospect of reforms that are going to be sensible, humane and effective. It's all just punitive - if not, why is there no mention at all of improvine health services so that people don't have to spend years on waiting lists?

If you think the Tories are going to be decent about this, you're very naive.

ah now thats a different story! any government either tory or labour will go with the masses not the few and thats where its not fair.

there are people out there who simply cannot and never will be able to work, i completely accept that.. totally 100%

but because of the actions of those who 'swing the lead' as it were, they will probably end up being penalised.

and where do you draw the line on 'swinging the lead'? its a difficult and touchy subject which the OP clearly knew they were posting about and is probably laughing their socks off at all those getting upset and ranty, yes even me.

I'd vote for the governement which has the BEST plan to tackle this issue fairly and properly and i honestly do not think that will happen

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MereDintofPandiculation · 20/04/2024 16:36

Luxell934 · 20/04/2024 15:50

So we are sending all the people who don't work to jail now. Right, cause that won't cost the tax payer even more.

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916,000 job vacancies, a PP said. There’s currently 1.4million out of work. So nearly 0.5 million for whom there is no work. Current prison population is just under 100,000, in other words outnumbered 5 to 1 by the people it is suggested should be sent to jail because there is no job for them. Cost of keeping them in jail is the least of their worries!