Rishi is in cloud cuckoo land if he thinks employers are rushing to offer jobs…

Let's not forget all those working from home jobs that will be miraculously available for all the disabled people rishi doesn't want on benefits anymore!!! 🙄 cloud cuckoo land. Even the most attractive candidates struggle to find wfh/hybrid jobs.

I remember I started with someone in my first job who had been on benefits for a long time because of long term severe MH issues. She was great, good at the job, she just couldn't manage a FT job long term, went off sick very quickly and was gone within months. And that was a genuinely flexible and accommodating employer - the flexibility and caring approach didn't make her any more able to cope with the reality of having a job. She gave it a jolly good try though and it was a shame.

My employer does everything possible to be flexible make adjustments etc. As a result we genuinely have a really inclusive and diverse workforce. But that doesn't mean we can take on and support "anyone", we need people who have the skills and/or capability and/or experience to get the work done before we can make adjustments to support them to perform well.

Employers can't be expected to take on and pay "anyone" essentially in lieu of them getting benefits just so the govt can say they're employed, there's a balance. Just wait for the suggestion to come that it's employers' fault for not employing all the people rishi doesn't want on benefits anymore by making up jobs for them. He'll expect them to come up with ways that someone can stack supermarket shelves or drive a bus from home.

It sounds like I'm lucky to have a decent employer then, because they do exist.

He employed me at 57 - I have specific skills and experience. Then took it in his stride when I was diagnosed with BC 5 months later. Has been patient while I got through surgery/radio/chemo, recover, get my confidence back.

Having said that, I've worked all the way through albeit from home 5 days a week. Refused to give in. Did my best to hold it together because I'm a single mum and I need my job.

We've come out the other side with a lot of respect for each other.

It can be done.

Absolutely! When it was in the news a while ago I kept saying more chronically ill people want to work but employers don’t want to employ them.

To reduce the number of people on long term sick, government need to tackle employers.

Yes, agreed. Expect even more of this nonsense where he plays to the Tory gallery in a desperate attempt to not be wiped out at the election.

No

The post didn't exclusively mention disability so why assume that's what's being referenced

A poster here has already shown the nasty attitudes disabled people can expect from colleagues should they actually find an employer so thanks for that illustration.

Honestly I’d pay Rishi myself if I could stop having seizures and go back to work. I went from having a successful career to having epilepsy in one day, surviving on UC and PIP.

He’s a fucking cunt and he doesn’t understand what disabilities do to people. It’s not just the physical but the mental struggles.

I can’t wait for him to be gone.

If they had disclosed at interview, how likely is it they woukd have been offered the job?

I remember when rishi met a guy at a homeless shelter. He asked him if he works in business and plans to move into the finance industry

No sense that addiction and mental health issues are what generally make people homeless, and that without a whole heap of support, that guy had a cat in hells chance of moving into hedge fund analysis any time soon

But that's rishis circle. Oxford educated, high flyers, who have had every chance in life, and have connections to get the best jobs. He doesn't know anything else.

The homeless guy looked awkward as fuck. He replied no.

It's just him panicking at the thought of historic losses at the next GE. He's got nothing to offer, so he's trying to attract a particular "kind" of voter to try to minimise the hundreds of MPs who're going to be unemployed this time next year! I imagine we'll get a few more bonkers/extreme ideas coming from him as he gets more and more desperate.

I said something similar on another thread. Unless Sunak compels employers to take on those with sickness/disabilities/caring responsibilities/over 50's, then all his grandstanding means fuck all. Of course employers are going to employ people as cheaply as they can so won't be eager to take on people that will ultimately cost them more £ to train and/or make concessions for.

Rishi knows all this. He doesn’t actually care if people get a job or not, he just wants an excuse to cut their benefits and make it look like he’s doing them a favour.

Rishi showed his stupidity during covid. When challenged about the 3 million he excluded from covid support, particularly workers in the Arts, the government came up with frankly ridiculous adverts encouraging people to retrain, such as suggesting a ballet dancer retrain in cyber security. He's not got a clue.

The real problem is that we've spent 25 years concentrating on university education and completely ignoring everyone else. So we've huge numbers of "average" people without professions, without trades, etc., which is where the job shortages are. The vacancies are either for skilled/professional roles or they're zero hours minimum wage jobs, neither being suitable for "average" people without skills/trades/professions but who do have responsibilities for family etc. Rather than bullying unskilled people into unsuitable jobs (square peg in round hole), they should be massively ramping up adult education, manual skills/trades, etc - the sooner the better, to stop the rot getting worse. Blair and his 50% aim for university has to take a lot of the blame as that's when colleges and adult education were trashed.

But there are a lot of people who could work but are struggling with mental health issues that they need help with. If more timely help is available then perhaps some will be available for work. Employers though should do their part by offering more consistent shifts in retail and hospitality because not everyone copes well with unpredictable rotas, and more hours too

Rishi is in cloud cuckoo-land full stop. He has no awareness whatsoever of what real life is like for the general population.

No, it takes some of them a lot longer.

@OhHelloMiss Existing employees are the ones who take the hit

Expected to train up people who can't understand or pick it up quick enough.

People with disabilities are lacking in intelligence are they?

I've just had a Quick Look on indeed in my town, if you are not a qualified dentist, a teacher or willing to join the army you're out of luck.

i have a job that i luckily got In my early twenties and have been able to bring my hours down accordingly and make work work around my busy life as a mum of 3. But there's no way in hell I'd get another job that allows me to work the hours I do now from the get go. For context I work

wed- 5-9
fri- 6-10
sat- 3-8

my OH is a plumber so he makes the majority of the money, and I just do those hours to help out and get out the house a bit really. We don't claim UC but my younger sister does she's a single mum and she's gonna struggle

i don't enjoy my job but im
stuck there until littlest goes to school at least because my availability and home commitment won't allow it and that's with a partner, I feel for disabled people and single mums without support

We've had 2 new starters start full time only to date they now want to reduce hours because they failed to disclose they are studying full time and work hours now need to work round uni

We didn't advertise part time roles

Also, it's not just about getting a job it's keeping a job. I know a single mum to a child with health problems who frequently has to have time off for his medical appointments etc. She finds it difficult to get past the probationary period because she's seen as unreliable and he bosses often tell her she should organise appointments further in advance or for the beginning/end of the day (which really isn't possible in the NHS). And I'm sure loads of places decide not to even short list her because her CV is full of short term jobs (or pretty empty of she doesn't include them)

"Would you like a job in finance ...?" 🙄

Existing employees are the ones who take the hit

Expected to train up people who can't understand or pick it up quick enough.

Then the sickness starts.... they are gone for weeks and need to be trained again...

We are losing patience with it now as it also takes us from our own work and are expected to pick up the extra from under performing colleagues? Nah sorry. I don't get paid for that

How about managers take responsibility for training up the new hires

Yes and add to the sick/disabled/ND list people with childcare needs and caring responsibilities.