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Don’t want a second limited holiday with friend.

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Borntorun123 · 20/04/2024 06:27

NC for this.

I will start by saying I am lucky enough to have 3-4 budget holidays/ short breaks a year.

My last one was with an old friend who has mobility problems. She can manage most things but walking is very limited.

I willingly carried bags, pushed a wheelchair when necessary ( longer distances than she couldn’t walk in airports, etc), offered her first choice of seating, popped to shops for items, did everything I could to make things as comfortable and easy for her as possible.

She said that she had a good time and I am pleased. On the other hand I found that the holiday was so limited that I felt guilty and frustrated. I felt sorry for her, and very much appreciated my own physical health, but I constantly felt restricted. I run every day and was still able to do that, but whilst out saw places I would have liked to spend time exploring, or nice looking restaurants for a long dinner, etc. So many things to see and do.

Apart from travel by taxi to a few carefully chosen places, we could only go to one place on the beach where sun beds were provided
( charged) , and just one restaurant.

I can’t imagine how frustrated my friend is with being so immobile. I know I am very lucky.

She has now suggested going away together again. We’ve only been home a few weeks and it wouldn’t be until Autumn. She is looking to me to arrange everything as before. It took a lot of research, trying to ascertain what roads and paths are like, exact proximity to attractions, contacting property owners with several questions, etc. and despite my best efforts a few things still didn’t go to plan, which were commented upon.

I don’t want to go away with her again, at least not for the second time in a year. As well as being restricted it cost me significantly more due to taxis ( I rode in the taxi so of course split costs), it was always me popping to the shops for minor purchases, which individually seemed too trivial in cost to split, but actually totted up to a significant sum.

AIBU to tell her no? She couldn’t holiday alone, whereas I plan to do that for my next trip.

OP posts:
RadRad · 20/04/2024 23:38

With the cost of travelling right now, I wouldn’t want to compromise on my experience or anything really, so if it doesn’t work for you, it doesn’t work for you, there’s no obligation.

NoisySnail · 20/04/2024 23:08

@Anameisaname I agree it is just two friends wanting different things on holiday. People are saying it is anti disability because OP comes across as a martyr. My DP is far more disabled than OPs friend and we have never been anywhere with only one beach and restaurant in the place he can access. The friend does not seem to use a wheelchair every day, the issue is longer distances, so she gets taxis. Anywhere without a long walk to the beach or up loads of stairs would be accessible to her.
It sounds like her friend just likes a sun holiday without sightseeing, like lots of people.
And tbh it does not take much researching to book one of these holidays. So maybe her friend does not think the researching is a big deal.

NoisySnail · 20/04/2024 22:52

@LemonPeonies it does not even sound like the friend uses a wheelchair normally. She gets taxis to places that are a long walk. But she walks shorter distances.

graceinspace999 · 20/04/2024 22:44

LemonPeonies · 20/04/2024 20:35

She could rent one on holiday so OP doesn't have to either push her around in a wheelchair all day or be seriously restricted whilst supposed to be relaxing and enjoying a holiday. The friend is disabled but it's up to her to manage that, not expect a free ride and free carer.

Yes! Disabled people should manage themselves better and avail of our government’s generous allowances, supports and facilities and stop being CFs sponging off their friends.

Citrusandginger · 20/04/2024 22:15

Rosscameasdoody
Any idea how much an electric wheelchair plus a carer would cost in comparison to how much income average disabled person has ? No ? Thought not.

The OP's friend is suggesting a second holiday abroad this year. That doesn't sound like someone on the breadline.

I suspect the real issue is perhaps confidence and lack of independence. IME people who can Facebook but not use IT for other things, have fallen into a pattern of letting others do things for them.

OP OTH sounds very independent, so my guess is they aren't really compatible holiday companions.

katebushh · 20/04/2024 21:54

YANBU at all, you're her friend not her carer.

graceinspace999 · 20/04/2024 21:21

Gettingonmygoat · 20/04/2024 19:37

Why does someone need to to say something on OPs friends behalf? There is nothing to say. OP doesn't want to spend her holiday as a carer to her friend. She is not responsible in everyday life for her and has happily gone on holiday with her once and found it frustrating and costly. It is not OPs job or responsibility.
I am classed as disabled but i am responsible for me. I have a disabled friend who would would love to come on holiday with me but i refuse to be her carer, i will not have my holiday ruined by her. She won't walk anymore than 200m but can manage a mile if there is a pub at the end, she expects everyone to do her bidding and treats everyone like staff, she wants everything her way. She does not help herself, she swallows strong pain killers with alcohol and would be drunk everyday by lunch. Because she is disabled, should i just suffer and go on holiday with her ?

So is your friend representative of all disabled people?

If you are also disabled how could your pub-loving ‘friend’ expect you to be her carer?

Also who said it was OP’s job or responsibility to be her carer?

I don’t have any booze-mad painkiller swallowing friends but if I did I wouldn’t go on holiday with them whether they are disabled or not. Neither would I be their friend.

I’m only friends with people I like so have no need to discuss their issues on forums.

OP did not mention that her friend had a liking for booze and pills so I don’t see the relevance of your post.

anon4net · 20/04/2024 20:47

@Borntorun123 would you want to have an annual holiday with her 1/3 or 1/4 of your weekends/breaks away? If so maybe suggest planning something for next year instead as your other 2/3 times away are already accounted for annually!

LemonPeonies · 20/04/2024 20:35

Rosscameasdoody · 20/04/2024 18:44

Any idea how much an electric wheelchair plus a carer would cost in comparison to how much income average disabled person has ? No ? Thought not.

She could rent one on holiday so OP doesn't have to either push her around in a wheelchair all day or be seriously restricted whilst supposed to be relaxing and enjoying a holiday. The friend is disabled but it's up to her to manage that, not expect a free ride and free carer.

Doteycat · 20/04/2024 20:34

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Tryingtobewellbalanced · 20/04/2024 20:31

This is why being disabled is so isolating. People don't want to get involved if the relationship runs the risk of having to care more about the other persons needs than their own. I'm not saying it is right or wrong, just what happens to disabled people. That is said without guilt tripping, it isnt anybodies job to care for their friends, but is it societies job through taxation and support. Give those with disabilities the means to be independent and have a life worth living. Because it can happen to anyone.

Anameisaname · 20/04/2024 20:28

I don't get why so many people are saying this is anti disabled people.
Honestly this is a simple case of 2 friends who went on holiday and it didn't work out. Friend 1 the OP wanted to go and do active stuff and did not want to plan everything. Friend 2 wanted someone to organise everything and wanted to stay put and relax.

They are not compatible holiday friends. That's it really. So YANBU OP.

LittleFloatingGhost · 20/04/2024 20:16

Pupinskipops · 20/04/2024 19:21

I agreed with you up until your last sentence. Gosh, there's a big difference between a holiday with friends and paying a stranger to go on holiday with you (even if you ignore the considerable additional of doing this).

As a person with mobility issues, only she can judge whether she's sufficiently disabled to need a paid carer and I'm sure, if she did, she would have already considered this. I'm not suggesting the OP is obligated to going on holiday with her again, certainly not in the same year, and there may be alternative opportunities another time, but it would be pretty insulting, offensive, hurtful if the OP were to say to her "No, sorry, I don't want to go on holiday with you but why don't you pay a carer to go with you?" It's not her place to suggest that.

(I speak as a disabled person with mobility problems).

@Pupinskipops that’s a really valid response. You’re right only she can decide if she needs that additional support.

BlueLimeRun · 20/04/2024 20:02

What on earth do you mean @Janiie
OP simply doesn’t want to go on holiday again in this capacity which is fine.

No need to guilt trip people.

Janiie · 20/04/2024 19:57

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6pence · 20/04/2024 19:52

“Loved spending time with you but usually see and do things at a much faster pace when I’m on my own so will do a few more of those first, and we’ll perhaps do another one together in a year or two.”

exomoon · 20/04/2024 19:41

Borntorun123 · 20/04/2024 19:37

I have found many of these replies really useful, especially the ones relating to my factual posts and not the poster’s imagined narrative of what happened. I am not getting into details of why I did or didn’t do things, as the past cannot be changed.
My friend had a good holiday. I did not. I was content to leave this matter in the past.
Whilst I explained in my OP in this anonymous forum, my reasons for not wanting to spend another holiday with her, in the several weeks that have elapsed since our return I have not mentioned this to anyone in real life.
In fact I have been helped in reaching my decision about what to do by one of the more vociferous of the 4% of people who feel I ABU.
My friend is a friend. Neither of us would describe the other as a Best Friend.
The person who said to be a caring, supportive friend or not is actually right. I now know what is involved and if I am not prepared to make the necessary sacrifices with good grace, I shouldn’t put us in that position again.
I have arranged to meet my friend for coffee tomorrow morning and I will explain as tactfully as I can that I have already made plans for Autumn, and can’t commit to another week long holiday abroad for the foreseeable future. If she pushes I will have to tell her that a holiday abroad is more responsibility than I feel comfortable with, which is accurate.

I think that's the right decision, OP.

Glad the vociferous YABUs had an unintended effect Grin

Gettingonmygoat · 20/04/2024 19:37

graceinspace999 · 20/04/2024 19:13

I am being very fair - someone needs to say something on OP’s friend’s behalf.

There are a lot of disparaging remarks on this thread.

You’re being unfair describing my comments as a rant - are your comments a rant?

As for the rest of your post I’m not sure what your point is.

Why does someone need to to say something on OPs friends behalf? There is nothing to say. OP doesn't want to spend her holiday as a carer to her friend. She is not responsible in everyday life for her and has happily gone on holiday with her once and found it frustrating and costly. It is not OPs job or responsibility.
I am classed as disabled but i am responsible for me. I have a disabled friend who would would love to come on holiday with me but i refuse to be her carer, i will not have my holiday ruined by her. She won't walk anymore than 200m but can manage a mile if there is a pub at the end, she expects everyone to do her bidding and treats everyone like staff, she wants everything her way. She does not help herself, she swallows strong pain killers with alcohol and would be drunk everyday by lunch. Because she is disabled, should i just suffer and go on holiday with her ?

Borntorun123 · 20/04/2024 19:37

I have found many of these replies really useful, especially the ones relating to my factual posts and not the poster’s imagined narrative of what happened. I am not getting into details of why I did or didn’t do things, as the past cannot be changed.
My friend had a good holiday. I did not. I was content to leave this matter in the past.
Whilst I explained in my OP in this anonymous forum, my reasons for not wanting to spend another holiday with her, in the several weeks that have elapsed since our return I have not mentioned this to anyone in real life.
In fact I have been helped in reaching my decision about what to do by one of the more vociferous of the 4% of people who feel I ABU.
My friend is a friend. Neither of us would describe the other as a Best Friend.
The person who said to be a caring, supportive friend or not is actually right. I now know what is involved and if I am not prepared to make the necessary sacrifices with good grace, I shouldn’t put us in that position again.
I have arranged to meet my friend for coffee tomorrow morning and I will explain as tactfully as I can that I have already made plans for Autumn, and can’t commit to another week long holiday abroad for the foreseeable future. If she pushes I will have to tell her that a holiday abroad is more responsibility than I feel comfortable with, which is accurate.

OP posts:
coastalhawk · 20/04/2024 19:33

You can also frame it as alone time/days which is just as valid and maybe more understandable from her POV

coastalhawk · 20/04/2024 19:32

Youre a good friend and I am glad that there are friends like you. Agree on delaying till next year and being able to express your need to go off and do your own thing some days? I would so much rather someone told me their boundaries/conditions clearly and we could still do the thing rather than just stopped going at all!

Janiie · 20/04/2024 19:30

'am absolutely not expecting OP to go on another holiday with her. Nobody should go on a holiday they don't want to go on. I just don't see OP as some fantastic person or great friend just for going on one restricted holiday that she is now complaining about and (I think) very probably exagarating about the help and restrictions.'

Exactly. The poor disabled friend thought they'd had a lovely time and wants to go again with her! I hope she doesn't read mumsnet I bet this is fairly identifying what with the 'paid loungers' and one restaurant allowed <allegedly> only.

The op is fine to go alone, to go with able bodied friend. It isn't fine to blame the poor friend and suggest she just didn't try hard enough therefore it's a no going forward.

NoisySnail · 20/04/2024 19:28

It sounds like she is not a constant wheelchair user so is unlikely to need a carer to go on holiday with her. Especially as she gets taxis to where she wants to go to.
The only time OP mentions a wheelchair is pushing one in the airport which is bizarre as there is no need for the OP to do this.
Friend could hire an electric wheelchair to get around sightseeing, but maybe she is not interested in that kind of holiday? Plenty of able bodied people only go on lie by the beach or pool holidays.
And it will not be true that her disabled friend could only go to one restaurant or beach.

azlazee1 · 20/04/2024 19:25

Agree with others that you tell her your not available for another vacation. Would you be willing to do a day trip, somewhere local where you both have a nice day and home to your own beds at night?

BlueLimeRun · 20/04/2024 19:25

Just don’t go. Holidays should be looked forward to, knowing you’ll be doing things you enjoy.

Hopefully your friend will have other people who want to go with her - well judging from the posts on here there are many give up time, money ( hmm sceptical !).

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