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Don’t want a second limited holiday with friend.

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Borntorun123 · 20/04/2024 06:27

NC for this.

I will start by saying I am lucky enough to have 3-4 budget holidays/ short breaks a year.

My last one was with an old friend who has mobility problems. She can manage most things but walking is very limited.

I willingly carried bags, pushed a wheelchair when necessary ( longer distances than she couldn’t walk in airports, etc), offered her first choice of seating, popped to shops for items, did everything I could to make things as comfortable and easy for her as possible.

She said that she had a good time and I am pleased. On the other hand I found that the holiday was so limited that I felt guilty and frustrated. I felt sorry for her, and very much appreciated my own physical health, but I constantly felt restricted. I run every day and was still able to do that, but whilst out saw places I would have liked to spend time exploring, or nice looking restaurants for a long dinner, etc. So many things to see and do.

Apart from travel by taxi to a few carefully chosen places, we could only go to one place on the beach where sun beds were provided
( charged) , and just one restaurant.

I can’t imagine how frustrated my friend is with being so immobile. I know I am very lucky.

She has now suggested going away together again. We’ve only been home a few weeks and it wouldn’t be until Autumn. She is looking to me to arrange everything as before. It took a lot of research, trying to ascertain what roads and paths are like, exact proximity to attractions, contacting property owners with several questions, etc. and despite my best efforts a few things still didn’t go to plan, which were commented upon.

I don’t want to go away with her again, at least not for the second time in a year. As well as being restricted it cost me significantly more due to taxis ( I rode in the taxi so of course split costs), it was always me popping to the shops for minor purchases, which individually seemed too trivial in cost to split, but actually totted up to a significant sum.

AIBU to tell her no? She couldn’t holiday alone, whereas I plan to do that for my next trip.

OP posts:
Lurkingandlearning · 20/04/2024 12:57

You’ve probably been given all the advice you need now but I wanted to come on to say what a good friend you are.

I have one suggestion, should you decide to travel with her at some point, even if only for a weekend. Take a credit card with nothing already charged to it or have a cash kitty you pay an equal amount into for all shared expenses- groceries, taxis, trips meals etc. That way you won’t pay for small things along the way which soon mount up. If you use a card instead you can take the bill to her when it comes in after the trip and show her what she owes.

willowthecat · 20/04/2024 12:52

This is a very very common situation - that someone who needs a carer to go on holiday won't admit it and will expect a friend or family member to stand in for a carer. This can work well if you go into with your eyes open and if the relationship is worth cherishing then it's a lovely thing to do - but you do need to have some caution and not go on frequent holidays as the unofficial carer ! I don't think you should be expected to do all the legwork to prepare the holiday - some of things you mention about having to ask the property owners questions on her behalf and then getting 'criticism' when things don't go to plan sound more like elderly parent territory - a friend should not expect this

WhereYouLeftIt · 20/04/2024 12:52

"Just a few parts to clarify. She doesn’t seem able to a computer for any sort of research, or anything other than social media. She would never be able to book even a package holiday unless she used a Travel Agent."

"She is looking to me to arrange everything as before. It took a lot of research, trying to ascertain what roads and paths are like, exact proximity to attractions, contacting property owners with several questions, etc. and despite my best efforts a few things still didn’t go to plan, which were commented upon."

That alone would put me off holidaying with her! I'd feel more like the hired hand than a friend, expected to put in all the work on her behalf whilst she just accepts it as her due. No, I'd not be holidaying with her again.

CrispieCake · 20/04/2024 12:50

I'd also limit it to a long weekend

As has already been suggested, I see!

CrispieCake · 20/04/2024 12:49

If you would consider another trip - maybe next year? - in your position, my opening gambit would be "Sounds interesting. Where were you thinking of? Do you want to look into a few places and suggest a plan?"

I'd also limit it to a long weekend.

longtompot · 20/04/2024 12:48

and despite my best efforts a few things still didn’t go to plan, which were commented upon

I think your friend was being unreasonable asking you to do all the arrangements and then complaining about things that weren't to their liking. If they want to go away then they should be doing all the research and contacting the prospective places.
Yanbu to not want to go away with them this year. I would just say you have your other holidays booked or arranged already.
If you were to go away next year, maybe just go places you can go for a long weekend for, and not places you'd necessarily want to see certain things, and save places you'd like to see more of just for your solo trips.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 20/04/2024 12:45

ManyATrueWord · 20/04/2024 12:33

It's a thousand pounds a week plus all expenses paid for a solo travel companion who cares. You did a nice thing but you don't have to do it again.

It can easily be a lot more than that, as I found out when my disabled DS went abroad for a week with a carer, which is why I floated the idea of accompanied holidays specifically for the less mobile

It would obviously still cost more than the friend going alone, but nothing like as much as having a "private" carer - and as said it could produce more lovely friends

CrispieCake · 20/04/2024 12:44

I think that if you agree to go away with her again, it should be her responsibility to plan the whole thing to accommodate both her and your needs. If she isn't willing to learn the skills to do this - internet etc. - then I wouldn't be going.

It's not so much the helping out/restrictions that would get my goat for the occasional trip, but the taking responsibility for everything definitely would. You're not a travel agent!

Alwaysalwayscold · 20/04/2024 12:42

Her mobility issues don't change the fact that she's a CF who wants to sit back while you do all of the work in planning and make all of the accommodations for her.

That alone would piss me off enough not to go again because there's nothing worse than a person who won't get involved in the research/booking, then moans about what has been chosen.

Janiie · 20/04/2024 12:39

'I didn't read the OP as moaning about disability, she's talking about the restrictions imposed'

Yes correct, she is moaning about the restrictions imposed. Caused by a disability.

I guarantee the friend finds it all much more of a bore than the op does. I just feel so sorry that the friend has no idea that her pal is online whining about said 'restrictions'.

Being a caring supportive friend isn't for everyone I suppose.

ManyATrueWord · 20/04/2024 12:33

It's a thousand pounds a week plus all expenses paid for a solo travel companion who cares. You did a nice thing but you don't have to do it again.

ItsallIeverwanted · 20/04/2024 12:30

Just don't go on more than one holiday with her a year!

It sounds like what you usually do, which is meet at a restaurant for a chat, suits you just fine.

Do that, and stop doing the things you don't like. I don't think it's that nice to go on about how slow wheelchairs are in airports, this is true but this is something we disabled people have to suck up.

I don't have to suck up friends who aren't truthful though or are moaning about helping out or just want to do different things- be graceful and let your friend know your parameters which are that you don't want to organize and go on multiple holidays a year, which few people would, even with a close friend.

burnoutbabe · 20/04/2024 12:27

Ah if your budget is around £250 per trip (and 3-4 per year) then that is definitely an issue in terms of the sort of holidays she may enjoy.

So maybe we just say to her -here is my budget -let me know if you find something suitable for next year within that budget.

VJBR · 20/04/2024 12:27

Two trips in a year is too much. I would say that you have other things planned for the near future and don't have any extra budget/holiday entitlement etc.

Turtonator · 20/04/2024 12:26

Janiie · 20/04/2024 12:16

I can't believe all the people saying you 'sound a lovely friend' yet here you are moaning about her disability putting a dampner on things. Imagine how she feels every single day.

Please don't go away with her again. She deserves to be with supportive and kind pals, not ones moaning because it all just a bit of a drag this wheelchair carry on. Jesus.

Tell her 'no sorry, you do not want to go away with her again and perhaps she could look try booking somewhere with a carer who would be be better suited to her many, boring needs'

Enjoy future hols skipping around 'chatting to the locals' Confused

I didn't read the OP as moaning about disability, she's talking about the restrictions imposed! OP is active (runs) and the holiday was at a pace to suit her friend, not her.

DancefloorAcrobatics · 20/04/2024 12:24

I think you need to put yourself first. A holiday should be enjoyed by everyone attending and that clearly isn't the case with this friend.

For the time being I'd just say you have other plans and the obvious restrictions in budget and time.
For the future, how about group / coach holidays? They aren't cheap, but the guide has some responsibility and will ensure that there is acess or alternative options if mobility is an issue.

SharkieAndGeorge · 20/04/2024 12:24

I was feeling quite sorry for your friend, until you said you plan and organise EVERYTHING!

It strikes me this is only in a small part about the limitations posed by her disability, and mainly about the fact that you're expected to present her with the perfect holiday, and get critiqued if you don't.

Her attitude would drive me loopy, that is no way to treat a friend. Absolutely she can use a computer and organise her own shit, certainly if she uses it for social media as you say. Sounds like she just can't be bothered, and it's nice for her to just get you to do it.

Unfortunately it sounds like you did too good a job this time and she'd like your services again to organise a nice holiday. Just a big fat no from me, she's taking the piss.

Janiie · 20/04/2024 12:24

'My friend has no cognitive issues. I don’t know why she seems so reluctant to even try to get to grips with computers, etc. She is only early 60’s, so not really an age problem'

So what. Many people cba with the Internet. Yes she shouldn't rely on others and could obviously ring a travel agent but who cares if she doesn't have a computer.

Just be honest with her, at the moment she seems completely oblivious to your disdain and intolerance to her problems. Why does she think you're a supportive nice friend? Tell her you aren't at all and there'll be no more boring wheelchairy trips thanks very much.

BCSurvivor · 20/04/2024 12:18

OP, as someone else pointed out, disability doesn't make someone a burden, but not taking a part in the organisation of the holiday, not paying their way and passing comment on parts of the location that were "unsuitable" does make someone a burden.
You are her friend, not her carer.
And , while you say you enjoy her company, you may feel resentful if you say yes to another holiday with her.
You're shouldn't feel obliged to holiday with her again, it's your holiday too, so try to ignore any emotional pressure she may put on you to say yes.
And enjoy solo travelling!

Janiie · 20/04/2024 12:16

I can't believe all the people saying you 'sound a lovely friend' yet here you are moaning about her disability putting a dampner on things. Imagine how she feels every single day.

Please don't go away with her again. She deserves to be with supportive and kind pals, not ones moaning because it all just a bit of a drag this wheelchair carry on. Jesus.

Tell her 'no sorry, you do not want to go away with her again and perhaps she could look try booking somewhere with a carer who would be be better suited to her many, boring needs'

Enjoy future hols skipping around 'chatting to the locals' Confused

burnttoad · 20/04/2024 12:12

Borntorun123 · 20/04/2024 07:30

I appreciate these replies.

Just a few parts to clarify. She doesn’t seem able to a computer for any sort of research, or anything other than social media. She would never be able to book even a package holiday unless she used a Travel Agent.

An all inclusive, poolside holiday might be ideal for her, but I would hate it. Apart from the expense I like to branch out and try different places to eat, chat to locals, etc. I also like to have the increased space of self catering accommodation.

Sounds like you have completely different interests and needs.

dudsville · 20/04/2024 12:11

I think you come across really nice and considerate OP. While it's possible that you may want to do this again in future, you really don't see that any time coming up, so I don't think saying that you got your plans for this year already sorts the problem. I think this is really tricky. Could you say something like "That was fun and I really enjoyed it but it reminded me why it's not my usual sort of holiday, I need to be busier and to have the independence to follow my nose in order to get out of my head", or some such.

Therealjudgejudy · 20/04/2024 12:10

You sound like a nice friend op.

Don't feel guilty for saying no, just tell her your next few trips are already planned.

Yalta · 20/04/2024 12:10

I can understand your frustration
After our last family holiday where I spent huge amounts of money to go to a place where there were a lot of things dc and I wanted to do and dh was struggling to walk 100 yards to a restaurant. I have said no more holidays with dh.

The issue with dh is he doesn’t help himself and his whole lifestyle isn’t conducive to being able to walk any distance. In the last few years since he has retired he has sat watching day time tv every single day. He can go weeks without going past the doorstep.
In the meantime I am working and running my own business and doing 18-20,000 steps per day.

existentialpain · 20/04/2024 12:01

Unless your friend has significant care needs which requires a carer there isn't really any barrier to her traveling alone. My mobility is very limited but I have been away on my own abroad several times. I book assistance at the airport so I don't have to walk to the plane and I book a mobility scooter at the resort. I always plan beforehand to check the hotel is disabled friendly and go all inclusive so I don't have to go far.

It sounds like maybe your friend lacks confidence and needs someone to encourage her to do the planning herself and see that she would be fine going abroad on her own if need be.

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