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Or does this Labour Party meme display all we need to regarding about how they feel about women?

140 replies

Lion400 · 19/04/2024 19:59

Those silly little women. Apart from the ones with penises. They’re just like us men.

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NoWordForFluffy · 19/04/2024 23:14

Sunquest · 19/04/2024 22:29

But the other issues are mostly ignored by the GC on MN. I do get the safe guarding of children in the Cass report, but as far as I can see on MN all the other issues women and children face are never ever mentioned. It's like the trans issue is the only thing that matters to them.

'The GC'?! Gender critical women are not an homogeneous mass you know, or a hive mind. We're all individuals who probably disagree on as many things as we agree. It's best you don't say we all think and act the same.

Plus, it's women's sex-based rights we're fighting for. It's not a 'trans issue'. That minimises what's at stake. It's the usual ploy from those people on the left who don't want it talked about too much in case it actually does have an effect on people's votes.

Merrymouse · 19/04/2024 23:14

StaunchMomma · 19/04/2024 22:21

I've seen a thousand different versions of this meme of late so no need to pin this on Labour, specifically.

You're reaching so hard to take offence here, I think.

There are plenty of versions of the meme, but this one is specifically sexist.

TheValueOfEverything · 19/04/2024 23:14

Over thinking it. Yes no ideal but it’s one of hundreds pumped out by social media officers creating ads.

Don’t damn the whole campaign because of one social media content editor whose job is to be edgy and attention grabbing but who applied bad judgement, and their supervisor who signed it off.

Nubbled · 19/04/2024 23:13

I will never vote for a party who says
women can have a penis

Greywhippet · 19/04/2024 23:12

maybe they used a sexist meme so that no one would notice how lame and unambitious their housing policies are

BuyOrBake · 19/04/2024 23:10

I don't care if it's well-known, it's still wildly inappropriate!

Does nobody in the Labour Party think things through?

It's now been deleted.

NoWordForFluffy · 19/04/2024 23:07

skippy67 · 19/04/2024 22:53

Are you under the impression that we only know Labour are a misogynist party because the Tories told us?

Are you under the impression that the Tories are are not demonstrably proven liars? They've shielded sex offenders in their midst. They've misused party funds. They've accepted millions of pounds from racist doners. These are facts. Plenty more where they came from too. But yeah, crack on and vote for them because you feel Labour are misogynist.

Fucking hell. Here's the lazy thinking again that if we're not voting Labour we're going to vote Tory. Change the bloody record, will you? It's not either / or. We can choose to vote for neither of them.

And I'll count down to the vote scolding lecture about how not voting for Labour is essentially a vote for the Tories. Labour are not owed my vote. If they want it, they have to earn it. Do you lecture other people who choose to vote a different way over any other issue that's important to them?

skippy67 · 19/04/2024 22:53

Are you under the impression that we only know Labour are a misogynist party because the Tories told us?

Are you under the impression that the Tories are are not demonstrably proven liars? They've shielded sex offenders in their midst. They've misused party funds. They've accepted millions of pounds from racist doners. These are facts. Plenty more where they came from too. But yeah, crack on and vote for them because you feel Labour are misogynist.

ghostyslovesheets · 19/04/2024 22:30

StaunchMomma · 19/04/2024 22:21

I've seen a thousand different versions of this meme of late so no need to pin this on Labour, specifically.

You're reaching so hard to take offence here, I think.

Nope-there absolutely is - because they chose this meme and changed the wording - it wasn't just an 'oppsy' retweet - so they DO need to acknowledge it's sexist and remove it - I say this as a life long member - we don't have to accept or defend everything because we are Team Labour - we are allowed to face palm at this backfire

Sunquest · 19/04/2024 22:29

ghostyslovesheets · 19/04/2024 22:19

I am as gender critical as they come - I work in children's services and really welcome the balanced, evidence based findings of the Cass report BUT I am not so 'single issue' that I don't see the wider damage caused to women and children by this Gov. Women in the Labour Party have been fighting for years and will continue to fight, on issues that impact them - debate is allowed and views are changing - but to vote against the party most likely to improve the lives of women and children because of one single issue is so damaging it almost negates the argument

But the other issues are mostly ignored by the GC on MN. I do get the safe guarding of children in the Cass report, but as far as I can see on MN all the other issues women and children face are never ever mentioned. It's like the trans issue is the only thing that matters to them.

StaunchMomma · 19/04/2024 22:21

I've seen a thousand different versions of this meme of late so no need to pin this on Labour, specifically.

You're reaching so hard to take offence here, I think.

ghostyslovesheets · 19/04/2024 22:19

Sunquest · 19/04/2024 21:55

The GC lot are all about safe guarding children. I don't see much safe guarding about children in poverty though.

I am as gender critical as they come - I work in children's services and really welcome the balanced, evidence based findings of the Cass report BUT I am not so 'single issue' that I don't see the wider damage caused to women and children by this Gov. Women in the Labour Party have been fighting for years and will continue to fight, on issues that impact them - debate is allowed and views are changing - but to vote against the party most likely to improve the lives of women and children because of one single issue is so damaging it almost negates the argument

Pharmacyhelp · 19/04/2024 22:07

FlirtsWithRhinos · 19/04/2024 21:56

I really don't understand the mentality that thinks it's ok that women (female pople) are expected to suck up being literally undefined as a distinct political and social group as the price we have to pay for defeating the Tories.

Would the same posters demand people ignore racism or anti Semitism for the greater good? Indeed, why isn't it trans identifying people being told to park their needs for now and trust they'll be treated fairly at some unspecified later date? Why is it just women being told there are more important things to worry about than their political and social rights so just shut up and submit?

I see it as the opposite. Some Gender Critical women who think they are more enlightened or better women than others because they couldn’t possibly vote for a party like Labour, who is slightly more relaxed on trans issues. Yet I feel they look at this issue in isolation, and fail to consider all the other aspects of Tory policy that are killing women.
E.g - Men in women’s prisons = terrible outcome. But that woman may never had been there had she had a decent education, support for her parents, mental health support, financial support, interventions, rehab etc. all things the Tory’s are stripping away. Policy cannot be looked at in isolation.

Not to play the class card (and not saying you are) but I do think in general, it’s easier for those in a middle class bubble to think the trans issue is the biggest one for women. When actually, for women like me, it feels totally insane to think this is the biggest issue for women in politics right now when austerity is literally killing women in this country at a far higher rate than trans people.

Temporaryanonymity · 19/04/2024 22:01

It’s now been deleted I think.

duckcalledbill · 19/04/2024 21:59

PeelingLino · 19/04/2024 20:04

You are massively overthinking that

Exactly

Shiveringinthecountry · 19/04/2024 21:57

ButterflyBarista · 19/04/2024 20:01

That is absolutely horrendous. Wow.

Yes women are suspicious harridens with no cogent thoughts, whereas men are thinking sensible creatures.

Unbelievable.

Exactly.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 19/04/2024 21:56

I really don't understand the mentality that thinks it's ok that women (female pople) are expected to suck up being literally undefined as a distinct political and social group as the price we have to pay for defeating the Tories.

Would the same posters demand people ignore racism or anti Semitism for the greater good? Indeed, why isn't it trans identifying people being told to park their needs for now and trust they'll be treated fairly at some unspecified later date? Why is it just women being told there are more important things to worry about than their political and social rights so just shut up and submit?

Sunquest · 19/04/2024 21:55

The GC lot are all about safe guarding children. I don't see much safe guarding about children in poverty though.

VickyEadieofThigh · 19/04/2024 21:55

Pharmacyhelp · 19/04/2024 21:53

I don’t understand anti-Labour shite from the GC brigade on here. Gotta hand it to people though, trying to twist it so Tory’s are the party of the women is pretty impressive. Offensive though to assume other women are too dim to see what class of people have been, and will continue to be, adversely affected by Tory policy. (Note, it’s not the class of people with penis’s)

I don't believe any such thing about the Tories - it's not either or for me.

VickyEadieofThigh · 19/04/2024 21:54

skippy67 · 19/04/2024 21:45

This "Labour don't know what a woman is" thing is a massive smokescreen. I can't believe so many on here are falling for it. Story after story detailing more and more Tory sleaze, and corruption, and condoning of racism, but that's OK because the Tories "know what a woman is". I despair, I really do.

Are you under the impression that we only know Labour are a misogynist party because the Tories told us?

Labour created this issue for themselves. I didn't need any help from the Tories 5 years ago when I left the Labour Party BECAUSE they don't care about women's issues.

Pharmacyhelp · 19/04/2024 21:53

I don’t understand anti-Labour shite from the GC brigade on here. Gotta hand it to people though, trying to twist it so Tory’s are the party of the women is pretty impressive. Offensive though to assume other women are too dim to see what class of people have been, and will continue to be, adversely affected by Tory policy. (Note, it’s not the class of people with penis’s)

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 19/04/2024 21:51

I don't think it's great, tbh. Disappointing.

skippy67 · 19/04/2024 21:45

This "Labour don't know what a woman is" thing is a massive smokescreen. I can't believe so many on here are falling for it. Story after story detailing more and more Tory sleaze, and corruption, and condoning of racism, but that's OK because the Tories "know what a woman is". I despair, I really do.

Keeprejoining · 19/04/2024 21:44

It might be a well known meme but that doesn't stop it from being utterly misogynistic and most of its iterations are anti women

Temporaryanonymity · 19/04/2024 21:40

So have I, @pointythings.