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Gynaecologist remark to DH

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Gyneapologist · 19/04/2024 14:19

in response to my dh saying he wanted me to have an MRI so he could stop worrying about me “I get it mate, you want to trade her in for a younger model’. We were both 😲

male, 60s and also an oncologist as this was a post-cancer appointment. Im
53 btw.

I feel equally humiliated and outraged
as well as lost for words. It was a quip and I’m sure many will say it’s harmless but I think it speaks to the culture of misogyny in the NHS. For context, I requested an appointment in regards to on-going pain from a serious post-surgery infection.

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coastalhawk · 20/04/2024 19:39

Woah - the lack of respect. complain 100%

Gyneapologist · 20/04/2024 19:34

Steppingintome · 20/04/2024 18:06

I’m sorry this happened to you.

i have experienced an awful situation with a so called professional which has resulted in me not going back for a check up I probably need. I have a lump in my breast which is the size of a small egg. I got it checked out and it was fine. They said if I got anymore to go back straight away though as it might not be next time. I now have another two lumps and during covid a nurse referred me for a biopsy. I was told by a male oncologist that we (me and the nurse) were making it up and there was nothing there. I actually heard him say to his male student as he left the room something about ‘irrational women’ these lumps are now bigger but I havent gone back.

This was the one time I didn’t take DH with me because I thought I could ‘handle it’ but I think it made it worse. I can’t offer advice but I do wish I would have complained at the time xx

That’s terrible and you must go back to get properly checked. It’s so outrageous to be called ‘irrational’ over a breast lump. I think this is part of the misogyny in the system which labels women’hysterical’. We are shamed into silence. Xx

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Sakuem · 20/04/2024 19:29

I remember when I was suffering from anxiety while pregnant, because had a lot of stress going on with SS & upcoming family court case, and homelessness etc, and the GP telling a tearful me, "Oh, well my wife was the same as you, it's just hormones"

And the only midwife who was constantly rude, unfriendly and uncaring (the other midwives during 2 week stay in maternity were really lovely and helpful and caring and polite) after newborn had been diagnosed with jaundice and the other nurses explaining to me that the jaundice was giving him a yellow hue and being monitored for several days while still testing positive for jaundice, she asked me "Are you sure he still looks yellow? Is he not just yellow because he's half Japanese?"
I was shocked at the way she said it, and thought surely that's not PC?
I didn't want to complain about comments like that, but in your case, what your onecologist said was uncalled for and hurtful, so you have every right to complain.
HUGS xx

(Edited only because accidently posted whilst still in the middle of typing 😅)

Littlebirdy7 · 20/04/2024 19:28

that is grossly unprofessional and unacceptable. Please do make an official complaint. I’m Sorry about your experience.

DisabledDemon · 20/04/2024 19:25

Good God! That would have definitely provoked a very hard stare plus an extremely freezing, 'I beg your pardon?'

Gyneapologist · 20/04/2024 19:25

LondonFox · 20/04/2024 16:34

My point was that fresh out of uni, depending where they study, many may not have experience with basic medical procedures like taking blood, catheterising patients, or putting cannulas so average nurse is more experienced.

There is no negative generalization towards doctors here. Everyone is thankfull for NHS services. But let's not pretend all medical staff is professional. Some of them do scream,swear, throw degrading and sexist comments etc. And they do make mistakes. This is something that should be commented on openly.

Totally agree with LondonFox, this is neither a doctor or NHS bashing thread but one which recognises that there are deep-seated prejudices in the institution which have a very real impact on patients. I have been an AHP for over 20 years and it’s been an eye-opener for me to be on the ‘other’ side. Has definitely made me more compassionate

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Nickiopolis · 20/04/2024 19:24

About 15 years ago I sat in on a post operative mastectomy consultant appointment for my mother in law, at that time around 80 yo. He checked all round the area and saw that she'd been left with a large, unattractive, uncomfortable skinfold remaining in her armpit (that caught in her bra and clothing) - his extremely insensitive comment was " I don't think we'll do anything with that, after all, no-one's ever going to look there" - we were both too dumbfounded to respond in the moment. There seemed to be no consideration for her discomfort or of her feelings, and she was ultimately left with an uncomfortable flap for the rest of her life. I always wished I'd pushed mum on it, but she just wanted to forget it so that's what we did. I'll always regret that though.

bemusedmoose · 20/04/2024 19:22

You both need to lodge a complaint! That was beyond unprofessional

ColdWaterDipper · 20/04/2024 19:18

Gyneapologist · 19/04/2024 14:29

I so wish that were true. Did I add that he is the lead consultant and chief of surgery?
misogyny is endemic in the NHS, it’s embedded in the hierarchy and the attitude to women’s’ pain. It’s changing but slowly. Alas there was an ‘apprentice’ sitting in on my appointment (male), so I imagine that shit is still
filtering down

I completely agree OP, I am 3.5 years into my cancer treatment (and still receiving ongoing treatment unfortunately) and my oncologist is the biggest twat ever. As are all of his male colleagues I have met, and the male surgeons! I was lucky enough to have an excellent female surgeon and she was training another junior surgeon at my 2nd and 3rd operations who was equally lovely. I fell out with my oncologist when they made a massive mistake in my care, and now I only communicate with him by email so that I have a record of everything he tells me. It’s a very well known issue in the NHS and the private sector.

Blipette · 20/04/2024 19:17

VesperLind · 19/04/2024 14:21

Why was your husband with you in the consultation?

Why wouldn’t he be..?

FeetLikeFlippers · 20/04/2024 19:12

I have a whole mental list of misogynistic things said to me by male health care “professionals” over the decades, together with a list of the responses I wish I’d given at the time! I regret never making a formal complaint and would definitely do so now I’m older and wiser. When leaving the appointment I would calmly say “Oh one last thing - how do I go about making a complaint, or should I ask at reception?” just to make him feel uncomfortable, but I would go through with the complaint as well.

Frances0911 · 20/04/2024 19:11

Report him to the GMC, he would certainly have a disciplinary for this, so unprofessional!

MustWeDoThis · 20/04/2024 18:56

Gyneapologist · 19/04/2024 14:19

in response to my dh saying he wanted me to have an MRI so he could stop worrying about me “I get it mate, you want to trade her in for a younger model’. We were both 😲

male, 60s and also an oncologist as this was a post-cancer appointment. Im
53 btw.

I feel equally humiliated and outraged
as well as lost for words. It was a quip and I’m sure many will say it’s harmless but I think it speaks to the culture of misogyny in the NHS. For context, I requested an appointment in regards to on-going pain from a serious post-surgery infection.

This is not OK, OP. You do -not- have to put up with that, or allow him to further insult another woman by not reporting it.

As women, we are gaslighted into thinking we are pathetic snowflakes for complaining.

It is OK, to not be OK with this.

Grab him by the b*lls, OP and see how he likes it!

MustWeDoThis · 20/04/2024 18:54

VesperLind · 19/04/2024 14:21

Why was your husband with you in the consultation?

Why not? Does your husband not support you at appointments? My husband comes to all of mine. He wants to be there to reassure and support me. I am glad that he's not body-shy.

BasketsandBunnies · 20/04/2024 18:48

Steppingintome · 20/04/2024 18:06

I’m sorry this happened to you.

i have experienced an awful situation with a so called professional which has resulted in me not going back for a check up I probably need. I have a lump in my breast which is the size of a small egg. I got it checked out and it was fine. They said if I got anymore to go back straight away though as it might not be next time. I now have another two lumps and during covid a nurse referred me for a biopsy. I was told by a male oncologist that we (me and the nurse) were making it up and there was nothing there. I actually heard him say to his male student as he left the room something about ‘irrational women’ these lumps are now bigger but I havent gone back.

This was the one time I didn’t take DH with me because I thought I could ‘handle it’ but I think it made it worse. I can’t offer advice but I do wish I would have complained at the time xx

Please go back.

Lucy25 · 20/04/2024 18:47

My oh goodness! How can this not be deemed as anything, other than massively inappropriate and completely unprofessional.
I imagine it’s the last thing you feel like doing, lodging a complaint, this gynaecologist needs to know, that he can’t speak to patients like this, what makes it even worse it sounds like he’s been in this profession for decades!
I can’t imagine, you wouldn’t have been the first patient, he’s spoken to like this.If you can, make a complaint, quite possibly other complaints have been made, yours may make all the difference.

Boombatty · 20/04/2024 18:34

Steppingintome · 20/04/2024 18:06

I’m sorry this happened to you.

i have experienced an awful situation with a so called professional which has resulted in me not going back for a check up I probably need. I have a lump in my breast which is the size of a small egg. I got it checked out and it was fine. They said if I got anymore to go back straight away though as it might not be next time. I now have another two lumps and during covid a nurse referred me for a biopsy. I was told by a male oncologist that we (me and the nurse) were making it up and there was nothing there. I actually heard him say to his male student as he left the room something about ‘irrational women’ these lumps are now bigger but I havent gone back.

This was the one time I didn’t take DH with me because I thought I could ‘handle it’ but I think it made it worse. I can’t offer advice but I do wish I would have complained at the time xx

Please don't let the behaviour of these awful men stop you from getting checked out properly. Any new lump needs checking. If it does turn out to be something that needs treating its much better to get it sorted earlier. Please make an appointment ASAP.

NeedsAGreenCardForFantasyLand · 20/04/2024 18:34

Report the doctor to the hospital. Absolutely unacceptable.

NannaKaren · 20/04/2024 18:16

I would report to Hosp. PALS I think have it escalated bloody cheek of the ‘man’

BlueFlowers5 · 20/04/2024 18:13

That is a beyond awful comment. As far as he knows, there could be all sorts of issues in anyone's marriage and a male gynaecologist humiliating a woman patent in that way is horrific - he needs dealing with.

VaginasaurusHex · 20/04/2024 18:13

Sorry I clicked the wrong one! Pure misogyny!

BooBooDoodle · 20/04/2024 18:11

VesperLind · 19/04/2024 14:21

Why was your husband with you in the consultation?

Why not? It’s mostly men that specialise in gynaecology unfortunately and that sets my teeth on edge because females are hard to get an appointment with. Why would you not want support given what OP has been through?

Becgoz7 · 20/04/2024 18:10

VesperLind · 19/04/2024 14:21

Why was your husband with you in the consultation?

Weird question

Steppingintome · 20/04/2024 18:06

I’m sorry this happened to you.

i have experienced an awful situation with a so called professional which has resulted in me not going back for a check up I probably need. I have a lump in my breast which is the size of a small egg. I got it checked out and it was fine. They said if I got anymore to go back straight away though as it might not be next time. I now have another two lumps and during covid a nurse referred me for a biopsy. I was told by a male oncologist that we (me and the nurse) were making it up and there was nothing there. I actually heard him say to his male student as he left the room something about ‘irrational women’ these lumps are now bigger but I havent gone back.

This was the one time I didn’t take DH with me because I thought I could ‘handle it’ but I think it made it worse. I can’t offer advice but I do wish I would have complained at the time xx

Sealtheenvelope · 20/04/2024 17:58

LondonFox · 20/04/2024 10:59

Experienced doctor is not the same as person who just got out of university.
And experienced doctors 100% don't sit while someone else examines patient as OP described. That is what fresh ones do before they even move to SHO level.
Agree about term junior doctors being wrong for many, but in London hospitals I know people who are in some sort of specialization are usually called registrars or senior registrars and they can spend career at that level,no one calls them junior.

Your information is years out of date. The grade SHO was abolished in 2007. As was Senior Registrar.