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Ex becoming very awkward since the arrival of his new baby with new partner

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AndOnAndOnItGoes · 19/04/2024 00:29

My ex and I share our little boy who turns 2 this Sunday. Ex left us when our little one was 2 months old. He does see DC regularly and is a good father, engaged, pays maintenence etc however him and I have a strained relationship, we barely see/speak to one another bar necessary texts re our son. He has our son overnight once a week; collects him from nursery on a Tuesday and drops him back off on a Wednesday. Things were bumping along with not too much bother as it was an easy enough arrangement between us re contact. However he had a baby in February with the woman that he started seeing either while he was still with me or just after he left and since this baby was born a couple of months ago, he has become noticeably more awkward with me in regards to our son.

One issue is that my brother lives in New Zealand, and has done for around 9 years. I've not seen him since before covid. Ex and i when we were still together were going to go out to NZ in 2019 for a month, we had it all planned, dream holiday etc, however covid struck so that was put on hold. Anyway, the plan now is that me, my little one, my mum and dad and my aunt all go to NZ for 2 weeks in November, to visit my brother, let him meet the little one etc. Looking into things, it seems that I should get a letter of authorisation from ex, to take our child abroad. So I sent him a message asking him for this however he is refusing to provide it. Asking for information on the trip, ie dates etc, which I've given him however he refuses to privide said letter and seems really angry that i want to take DS to NZ, saying that itll tske time away from him having DS. Which i would make up either before we went or when we got back. He has also started to get arsey with any changes to contact ie if I need him to take DS on a Thursday night instead of Tuesday for work/shifts.. He used to be absolutely fine with this however has recently been so awkward about it.

He did find out that I had started seeing someone recently however I can't imagine it's that that's bothering him as he's moved on with this woman, they're obviously happy as they've been together nearly 2 years, bought a house, just had a baby etc. Him finding out about my new partner was around the same time that I mentioned the holiday, I don't know if that's what has got him mad?

I have this gut feeling that coparenting is about to become quite tough with him.

Has anyone had an OK coparenting arrangement with an ex and it all suddenly turned to shit after changes in their respective circumstances? I'm genuinely stumped as to why he's suddenly changed from being easy oozy about things like flexibility with contact to being a dick. He's all nicey nicey in texts ie I had the flu a couple of weeks ago and he's saying he's saying sorry to hear I'm unwell, hope I'm feeling better soon, to refusing to change contact days as a one off and basically refusing me permission to take our son abroad for a two week holiday. Do men just become like this once they move on with a new family/children etc? It's very frustrating and ultimately its our DS who is going to lose ie spending time with his uncle etc.

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Cofaki · 19/04/2024 09:51

Two things stood out to me in this thread: first that you described him as a good father when I can't see any evidence of that whatsoever. He simply has his child overnight once a week. I'm not sure how that makes him a good father. He barely sees the child and he left you when you had postnatal depression and a small baby. Those are not the actions of a decent and good man.

Second that the first reply to this thread was blaming another woman! No no no. This is him, he chooses his he behaves and this is what he's chosen.

What you need to do is focus on how awful this man is and stand up to him. I think the advice to get a court order and formalise things is wise. I know you want the flexibility, but you're better off having stability and certainty and being able to push back against his ridiculousness but remember, he's not a good man. He's not a decent person and he's not a good father and you need to work on that basis.

Protect yourself and your son, don't worry about the useless ex.

Anameisaname · 19/04/2024 09:47

As far as I know if you.have PR you don't need permission to take your child away on holiday. I think you can apply for a special issue order (can't remember the name of it) to cover this off

AndOnAndOnItGoes · 19/04/2024 09:43

Thank you for all the advice on this thread. To address a few of the points raised:

I do understand that he probably doesn't want to miss out on time with DS. However this time would be made up ie he could have DS 2 nights in a row before and after the holiday or whatever worked for him. We've done it before when I hired a lodge with a friend of mine and her kids and we all went away for a week.

The flexibility in comtact - yes, this has suited me mainly but for a good 4 weeks or so surrounding the birth of his new child, there was a lot of leeway on my part ie he couldn't take DS around the time of the birth, (ex lives in another city around an hour and a half away, so I'm guessing if she went in to labour, it wouldn't have been easy to return DS so he could support the new partner) so he just didn't have our son for overnights for a few weeks. This impacted on me as I work shifts as a HCP, but I worked around it. So the flexibility hasn't only benefitted me.

Perhaps he is jealous that I'm now at a point where I'm through a lot of the shit that he heaped on me, perhaps things aren't as rosy for him as I'm imagining ie that he's madly in love and enjoying his little family, who knows.

To top it all off, I've injured my back and am on day 2 of being pretty much bedbound while DS stays with my sister, so I have far too much time to think about all of this and get myself all worked up!

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AndOnAndOnItGoes · 19/04/2024 09:28

ittakes2 · 19/04/2024 09:25

I am guessing he is worried you will go to nz and not come back with his son.

I thought about this angle but I have a job here, a home, my little one has his nursery that he's been at since he was 7 months old. We're settled. If I were to stay in NZ I'd need a visa for me and DS and I wouldn't get that granted for DS without permission from the father.

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ittakes2 · 19/04/2024 09:25

I am guessing he is worried you will go to nz and not come back with his son.

AndOnAndOnItGoes · 19/04/2024 09:22

"He was the king and his balls were swinging large and proudly" 😂 This image made me laugh very loudly @Devonshiregal It could be a case of that, in fact thinking about it, quite likely.

He should know that I wouldn't be bringing my new partner (not even a partner, more casual than that!) along. We had a discussion not long after he left, as I knew he'd be firing in about women ASAP, I made it clear that if i did get another partner, he wouldn't be introduced to my child for a good couple of years minimum, and probably a lot longer. I want to focus on my little one being settled in his early years. He agreed with this (although clearly he was meaning only for me to follow through on it!). But yes, I will make it clear to him that it's a family only trip.

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GingerIsBest · 19/04/2024 09:11

I am someone who almost always sides with the woman but with step mothers it often seems to get complicated and they can be weirdly irrational (as can biological mothers about their child's step mothers). Of course, it is almost ALWAYS because the man involved is a bit of a dick. And I wonder if this is what is happening here.

I'd start by formalising arrangements with him for normal. If he's going to be arsey about changing things, then stop asking and agree it is cast in stone. No flex on either side. Bloody annoying in my opinion but there you go.

Re the holiday, I can easily imagine that he's whining to her about you spending money, and probably lots of whining about how you don't let him see the child more often (that one is a common one - new girlfriend arrives and suddenly he wants to be dad of the year) so this trip has to be used to back that up, "see, she keeps me from him and now I won't even get my 1 measly day a week she lets me have".

He really is being ridiculous. I'd ask him if he really thinks taking away this amazing opportunity from your DS is being a good parent.

I don't know what the rules are for New Zealand. As a rule, only countries that specify parental permission will ask you for a letter from him. The big risk is that if he decides he doesn't want you to take her, and he's not too lazy, he can alert authorities ahead of time and have you stopped.

Oh, and this is pretty classic controlling behaviour. I've seen it 1000 times in real life and on MN. "How dare you have a life. I will NOT give permission for you to leave the coutnry with MY child."

quietnightmare · 19/04/2024 09:01

You don't need his permission to leave the county for a holiday. He has to get a court order to stop you

He clearly doesn't see his child enough but that's another issue for you but switching days is probably difficult or made difficult by his new partner because of routine for the new baby

Him being difficult about the holiday is jealousy and a power play after all he was supposed to go with you but he can't have his cake and eat it too

Leads me to my next point that now you've moved on with someone that's rubbing him up the wrong way he doesn't want you but no one else can meanwhile he can get a house and a baby with someone else. Again another power play in his mind

As for the CAO tread carefully because only YOU can be held accountable. The courts can say he has his child on this day and this night and half the holidays or whatever is seconded but if he doesn't want to have his child, or wants to go on holiday, or doesn't turn up there are NO REPERCUSSIONS for him but on the other hand if you don't let him see your child on his set dates and times such as your child wanted to go over to a friends house then YOU get penalised. You have to have valid reasons like child was unwell and proof like a doctors appointment etc. so be careful he can rack up the times you swop days aswel as evidence to be used against you and get you fined and apprently jailed but that's very very very unlikely

CountSeb · 19/04/2024 08:47

AlexaPlaySomeHappyHardcore · 19/04/2024 07:00

I read your OP and my first thought was that he feels like an arsehole for leaving you when your baby was 2 months old, like this one currently is, but can’t cope with the guilt so he’s taking it out on you. Add to that, you’re moving on with your life: holding down a job successfully, dating again, planning a holiday with your family and it’s a further reminder of his failure as father and partner. So he doubles down and keeps on behaving like a cunt.

Agree with others about the CAO. It’s a shame these things are needed but it’s better for everyone especially the children involved to avoid messy battles over care etc.

I thought this too. He's realising how much work a 2 month old is and he can't deal with any guilt (plus you're getting on with life) so anger it is instead.

On the arrangements for when he has DS, assume there is no flexibility going forward and plan for that. Can work give you set shifts so you don't need ex to look after your DS? Can anyone else help out when you have a shift change?

The holiday to NZ is entirely reasonable, don't let yourself start doubting that!

Devonshiregal · 19/04/2024 08:44

AndOnAndOnItGoes · 19/04/2024 01:04

It's more the worry of it, I don't want to be stressing for the next few months thst border control may ask for a letter and if I can't give it then thats the holiday up in the air.

Its more about the change in him though, I've no idea why he's suddenly being an A hole about things...

His partner is at home being a cranky cow because she’s full of hormones and suddenly realised that he shares the same happiness and emotions she’s feeling right now with another woman and child. So every bit of give he gives you, every adaptation, every day switch he does to help you out, pisses her off because to her mind he’s putting you high up the priority list.

and you’ve got a new man in your life who he is thinking is going to run around with your kid and be a dad figure to him and his jealous. until now he had an ex mourning him and firmly in her place and baby AND a new woman firmly in her place. He was the king and his balls were swinging large and proudly. Suddenly youve moved on. You’ve got over him. You’ve changed the status quo and the rules. He’s trying to take back control.

Either make a big last ditch attempt to befriend his wife and say you’d so love to have a lovely blended life for the kids and to just get along. And make clear your new bf will not be coming on the trip. If it fails the go legal. If it succeeds great! OR go legal immediately.

LightDrizzle · 19/04/2024 08:36

I get that he’s an utter twat and don’t dispute it but I think you have two separate issues here and on one you are being unreasonable and on the other you are not.

While it’s great that he has been flexible up to now when you’ve switched access days; I don’t think that is a reasonable expectation and I can see that it might not be working for them now they have a new baby. I think you need to approach work and do whatever you need to so he can have access reliably. He needs to acknowledge and agree that if you lose that flexibility then so does he and he must undertake not to change days himself.

He is being unreasonable not to permit you take your son out of the country for a two week holiday given you are not a flight risk and your son is over 2 years old. Have you put it to him that he may wish to take your shared son on holidays in the future too? Suggest you both write a signed and dated letter giving permission for the other travel overseas with the child for trips of a maximum duration of 17 days for holiday purposes.

I suspect it is largely envy and spite because you are going the amazing trip he would have been on…if he hadn’t walked away from his wife two months after the birth of their first baby and shagged someone else …

Livelovebehappy · 19/04/2024 08:34

Willyoujustbequiet · 19/04/2024 01:47

He'll be regretting the new woman... they always do. They realise the grass isn't greener and wish they had stayed. They are then jealous when you move on. The new woman/step mother then picks up on it and becomes insecure, often taking it out on the stepchild. I've seen it so many times.

As an pp said, get a CAO. It will give you back control.

Agree with this. Life may not be as rosey as you think. Especially now they’ve had a baby, as during the initial start up of their relationship, he probably enjoyed the care free, child free excitement of it all. Now a baby has come along, he might see that the grass isn’t necessarily greener, and he has the extra drama of juggling two families financially and physically.

RandomMess · 19/04/2024 08:28

Get a lives with order via CAO so you don't need permission for your holidays.

I'd also ask him if he'd like to increase regular contact with DS as he'd like to foster the sibling relationship.

Presumably he didn't even ask to have extra contact either side of the holiday to "make up" for missed contact 🙄

CandiedPrincess · 19/04/2024 08:24

I think this is really common when people are in new relationships/new families - because now there are other people to consider, so changes to contact time affect them too.

Iaskedyouthrice · 19/04/2024 08:23

Let's not bother with the reverse @Theredjellybean eh? Let's concentrate on advising the woman who was left with a 2 month old baby by herself after a difficult birth, who was struggling, by a man who immediately moved on and got another woman pregnant. Not forgetting he has his 2 year old to stay over just once a week.

I would stick to a routine contact wise, but only for the sake of the little one. The younger you start the routine the better OP. Thing is, now he has started being difficult, because you have a new partner and are doing well for yourself, he will continue to be awkward. Get something regarding contact and holidays rubber stamped so he can't mess his son about or stop him from having amazing experiences (holiday to NZ) out of spite. It's a shame, but needs to be done.
Good luck @AndOnAndOnItGoes , you sound incredible amd your little boy is lucky to have a mum like you.

Annonymiss123 · 19/04/2024 08:21

I'd be inclined to think that he's jealous of you.

He left you when your baby was a newborn and set up home with his new woman, who became pregnant quickly. Now he has a newborn again, just as you're planning a fabulous trip that he was meant to go on.

socks1107 · 19/04/2024 08:17

My ex became very awkward after his wife became pregnant. He refused to collect the children from school (court ordered) then stopped seeing them all together. He eventually returned but with a watered down version of his court order, so wanted 24 hours a fortnight, only two weeks holidays and basically left the rest to me.
When I got married he told me he never wanted to see me again despite him being married with a new family.

So id say the whole situation is around you moving on and the change in his personal life.
I'd suggest some mediation if he agreed

Theredjellybean · 19/04/2024 08:14

Plus I think if this was a reverse and the OP was the new partner in the scenario saying..
" I've just had my first baby and my dp's ex wants to keep changing the night his toddler stays with us to suit her ..."

They'd be a lot of comments saying that is unreasonable and get a CAO etc

Newestname002 · 19/04/2024 08:13

@AndOnAndOnItGoes

Its more about the change in him though, I've no idea why he's suddenly being an A hole about things...

The fact that he immediately moved on from you and got himself another woman who he swiftly got pregnant doesn't mean he's happy with YOU moving on with another man. He's being a dog in a manger..

Also - you re planning on enjoying a trip to NZ which the two of you discussed when he was still with you - has he visited since?

He's got the life he wanted but doesn't want you to have the same.. 🌹

Theredjellybean · 19/04/2024 08:11

Agree with the sentiment he is being a twat over the holidays...it's two weeks not a bloody year.
But not wanting to be accommodating over chopping and changing contact days I have sympathy for.
He has a new baby in his house, his new partner is a new mum...maybe having a 2 yr old at random times is too much for her.
Maybe she has pnd, is struggling etc...not the OPs responsibility but I think he is not being unreasonable to now need a set routine

OriginalFloorboards · 19/04/2024 08:05

Agree with other posters. It’s because you are flourishing whilst he is back in the hard work of a new baby.

Personally I’d formalise it, because at any point he could change his mind or refuse. Why have that worry and stress?

Are you wanting to be beholden to him for every future holiday?

He hasn’t shown himself as someone you can trust or rely on to be reasonable. He left you in the thick of it and now wants to stop the holiday he planned with you.

You cannot trust he would change his mind right before your holiday.

Therefore, do not give this man power over your life.

At some point you may wish to settle down and also have another child in the future. Are you expected to never see your family abroad?

Get it formalised and have a wonderful holiday.

You deserve it and so does your child.

Well done on being a single mum in that situation too. It can’t have been easy.

Soontobe60 · 19/04/2024 08:00

Being concerned about not seeing your child for 2 weeks isn’t being awkward or difficult.
Not wanting to chop and change contact nights at the whim of the other parent isn’t being awkward or difficult.
It is more than reasonable to have a set day / days for child arrangements, and it is more than reasonable to be upset at the thought of not seeing your child for 2 weeks.
I would suggest that you try to come to a compromise regarding the holiday. For example, if you’re going Saturday to Saturday, he has his dc on the Thursday and Friday immediately before you go, then on the Sunday and Monday after you return. Regarding swapping the contact days when you’re working - it’s absolutely fine for him to not want to do this. If it went to court, they would likely award a set night in his favour.

Carouselfish · 19/04/2024 07:56

I think not texting apart from.necessary texts is fine.
I'd remind him it's a two way street and at some.point he might want to go on holiday with his son and need your letter. For what it's worth I have never ever been asked for the letter when going to America, dont know if more officious in nz. I took our dc recently and ex dp gave me those i tags to put on them when we went as he was worried they'd be kidnapped or lost! I was happy to do that to make him feel better. I'd probably be the same if it was him taking them!

Iaskedyouthrice · 19/04/2024 07:53

You have started seeing someone new and are flourishing. He doesn't like that.
Go to court and formalise things as this will continue. Do not give this 'man' any power over you.

Problemnumber99 · 19/04/2024 07:53

I'm really surprised at how many people are suggesting court and a CAO. Unless I've been unlucky, the whole experience is awful!

You'll still need permission for the holiday as it will impact his contact. Legally you will have to make ds available for contact, but he doesn't have to turn up. It feels to me like my life is controlled by a legally binding order for 14 years, whereas he can do what he likes.

It won't do anything for your coparenting relationship, and there's zero flexibility in the order for your shifts changing.

You'll have to go to mediation first and personally I would try very hard to work it all out there. Court should be a last resort.

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