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Ex becoming very awkward since the arrival of his new baby with new partner

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AndOnAndOnItGoes · 19/04/2024 00:29

My ex and I share our little boy who turns 2 this Sunday. Ex left us when our little one was 2 months old. He does see DC regularly and is a good father, engaged, pays maintenence etc however him and I have a strained relationship, we barely see/speak to one another bar necessary texts re our son. He has our son overnight once a week; collects him from nursery on a Tuesday and drops him back off on a Wednesday. Things were bumping along with not too much bother as it was an easy enough arrangement between us re contact. However he had a baby in February with the woman that he started seeing either while he was still with me or just after he left and since this baby was born a couple of months ago, he has become noticeably more awkward with me in regards to our son.

One issue is that my brother lives in New Zealand, and has done for around 9 years. I've not seen him since before covid. Ex and i when we were still together were going to go out to NZ in 2019 for a month, we had it all planned, dream holiday etc, however covid struck so that was put on hold. Anyway, the plan now is that me, my little one, my mum and dad and my aunt all go to NZ for 2 weeks in November, to visit my brother, let him meet the little one etc. Looking into things, it seems that I should get a letter of authorisation from ex, to take our child abroad. So I sent him a message asking him for this however he is refusing to provide it. Asking for information on the trip, ie dates etc, which I've given him however he refuses to privide said letter and seems really angry that i want to take DS to NZ, saying that itll tske time away from him having DS. Which i would make up either before we went or when we got back. He has also started to get arsey with any changes to contact ie if I need him to take DS on a Thursday night instead of Tuesday for work/shifts.. He used to be absolutely fine with this however has recently been so awkward about it.

He did find out that I had started seeing someone recently however I can't imagine it's that that's bothering him as he's moved on with this woman, they're obviously happy as they've been together nearly 2 years, bought a house, just had a baby etc. Him finding out about my new partner was around the same time that I mentioned the holiday, I don't know if that's what has got him mad?

I have this gut feeling that coparenting is about to become quite tough with him.

Has anyone had an OK coparenting arrangement with an ex and it all suddenly turned to shit after changes in their respective circumstances? I'm genuinely stumped as to why he's suddenly changed from being easy oozy about things like flexibility with contact to being a dick. He's all nicey nicey in texts ie I had the flu a couple of weeks ago and he's saying he's saying sorry to hear I'm unwell, hope I'm feeling better soon, to refusing to change contact days as a one off and basically refusing me permission to take our son abroad for a two week holiday. Do men just become like this once they move on with a new family/children etc? It's very frustrating and ultimately its our DS who is going to lose ie spending time with his uncle etc.

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Whatifthehokeycokey · 19/04/2024 13:20

Tables have turned. You've got a new man and are jetting off to New Zealand. He's doing the baby stage all over again. He's being difficult because he resents that you are happy.

RandomMess · 19/04/2024 12:52

Use one of the court approved apps for all communication and contact arrangements going forward.

Ask for a "lives with order" in your favour. It will be interesting his response if you offer him increased contact. If he doesn't want it but then objects to you going in holiday how ridiculous will he look!

Triffid1 · 19/04/2024 12:38

AndOnAndOnItGoes · 19/04/2024 11:34

Yes, I'm in the UK. There is no court involvement, everything is between us. I've heard on MN and looked into it that there is a chance that I could be questioned when leaving/entering a country about the other parents consent to travelling abroad.

He knows I wouldn't be the type to introduce new partners willy nilly to our son, although who knows what he's thinking now, he feels like a stranger now really. Maybe he's convinced himself that seeing as he's done it, that I will too.

Anecdotally, outside of South Africa which has very specific policies around travelling with children, I have never been asked to prove that my husband approves. I HAVE however, regularly been asked a few questions just to check who I am/ who the children are/our relationship (probably in part as we don't have the same name) and weirdly, this happens in particular on my return to the UK even though we're all travelling on UK passports.

This is true for every other woman I know.

HOWEVER, technically, you need active permission from all adults with parental responsibility. Now, in my case, DH doesn't send that in writing (outside of SA, as mentioned and frankly, I would 100% check NZ as it wouldn't surprise me if they have something similar) but it is implied and, of course, any border control could contact him at any time to confirm that he is happy with me travelling with the DC. I do not know a single person who has had this happen to them, but it is theoretically a possibility.

The real problem is if he decides to proactively make it difficult. There are mechanisms for him to alert border control that you are taking the child out of the country without his permission. I don't know anyone this has happened to but I've heard of it.

It is a very common threat however by narcissist men who are struggling to find ways to continue to control their ex partner and their dc. If you think he's the type who might vindictively contact the authorities, you will absolutely need to get some kind of court order that as the resident parent, you can travel.

AndOnAndOnItGoes · 19/04/2024 11:34

Anonanonandon · 19/04/2024 11:26

Are you in the UK? Do you have court agreed 'lives with' custody (I don't know the official term)?
My DD had a similar problem with her ex objecting to her taking their DC abroad for 2 weeks. Her solicitor advised that, as she has resident custody (or whatever), she could take DC on holiday without ex's permission.
Perhaps your ex thinks the guy you are seeing is going too. so playing happy families with his son.

Yes, I'm in the UK. There is no court involvement, everything is between us. I've heard on MN and looked into it that there is a chance that I could be questioned when leaving/entering a country about the other parents consent to travelling abroad.

He knows I wouldn't be the type to introduce new partners willy nilly to our son, although who knows what he's thinking now, he feels like a stranger now really. Maybe he's convinced himself that seeing as he's done it, that I will too.

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Anonanonandon · 19/04/2024 11:26

Are you in the UK? Do you have court agreed 'lives with' custody (I don't know the official term)?
My DD had a similar problem with her ex objecting to her taking their DC abroad for 2 weeks. Her solicitor advised that, as she has resident custody (or whatever), she could take DC on holiday without ex's permission.
Perhaps your ex thinks the guy you are seeing is going too. so playing happy families with his son.

Iaskedyouthrice · 19/04/2024 11:22

AndOnAndOnItGoes · 19/04/2024 11:09

He does the whole ignoring and denying his shitty behaviour, taking no accountability, getting me wound up and then I end up being shitty towards him, making me look like the bad one. I'm working on it. He's an arrogant toad of a man and knows how to push my buttons.

Yes, definitely work on that. I wouldn't mention the holiday again until you have the relevant court documents. You know full well he will act all surprised. Don't fall for it. Keep up the momentum. Tell him anything court appointed protects you both.
You are dealing with a disgrace of a man who abandoned you at your most vulnerable. He is not a good person. I suspect he is regretting his life choices and taking it out on you. The most powerful thing you can do is ignore him.
You shouldn't have to do any of this but you must. He will dick you about and won't think twice about what is best for his child. I have a feeling that he will be reluctant to have any contact set in stone, he is just grasping at anything to use as a stick to beat you with.
You can do this. You can provide your child with the best home, with the best experiences, love and light. He can't do that. He knows this and it bothers him.

NamingConundrum · 19/04/2024 11:15

Stay calm. Why are we here? We used to coparent well but now we are disagreeing over holidays etc so I want to get things formalised. Why won't you agree to the holiday? He can spout xyz, you can say you've offered make up time, he didn't have him for longer when new baby born etc. He will look like the twat at mediation, and at very least he should consult a lawyer who will tell him courts will grant permission for holiday so he's just going to waste money opposing.

AndOnAndOnItGoes · 19/04/2024 11:09

Iaskedyouthrice · 19/04/2024 11:02

Just dont let him. During mediation stay factual, no emotion and if the poor me act starts, tell him he can sit shrouded in his victim complex when your not paying for it 😊 and just crack on. Ignore bad behaviour during the sessions and respond to good. Like you would a toddler.

He does the whole ignoring and denying his shitty behaviour, taking no accountability, getting me wound up and then I end up being shitty towards him, making me look like the bad one. I'm working on it. He's an arrogant toad of a man and knows how to push my buttons.

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AndOnAndOnItGoes · 19/04/2024 11:06

Ihearyousingingdownthewire · 19/04/2024 11:02

Wow. He doesn’t hang about does he? What a prince.

No he doesn't. He and this woman got together when our little one was only a few months old and my DS already had a half sibling before he turned 2. Ex is late 30s and this new woman is 42 hence why it was probably rushed.

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Ihearyousingingdownthewire · 19/04/2024 11:02

Wow. He doesn’t hang about does he? What a prince.

Iaskedyouthrice · 19/04/2024 11:02

AndOnAndOnItGoes · 19/04/2024 10:55

Oh he'll never take any accountability for his behaviour, everything is always everyone else's fault and he likes to sit shrouded in his victim complex.

Just dont let him. During mediation stay factual, no emotion and if the poor me act starts, tell him he can sit shrouded in his victim complex when your not paying for it 😊 and just crack on. Ignore bad behaviour during the sessions and respond to good. Like you would a toddler.

Goldbar · 19/04/2024 11:00

DrJoanAllenby · 19/04/2024 10:13

It will be the new partner. She'll be bitching about you going away to New Zealand and jealous so will want to put a spanner in the works by putting a flea in his ear about how he won't see his child for a month.

Please let's not blame women for men's shitty behaviour. This woman is a new mother parenting with a childish arsehole - she has enough on her plate.

ontheflighttosingapore · 19/04/2024 10:59

If he won't give a letter you need to get an order from the court

Another2Cats · 19/04/2024 10:57

@quietnightmare "You don't need his permission to leave the county for a holiday. He has to get a court order to stop you"

You are mistaken.

If both parents have parental responsibility (eg they were married or the father's name is on the birth certificate), and there are no court orders in place, then neither parent can take the child out of the country without written permission from the other parent. The permission letter also needs to include the other parent’s contact details and details about the trip.

In contrast, as long as there are no court orders in place, you don't need permission to take your child on holiday in England or Wales.

AndOnAndOnItGoes · 19/04/2024 10:55

NamingConundrum · 19/04/2024 10:34

First step in CAO is mediation so hopefully that will show him how much of a twat he's being!

Oh he'll never take any accountability for his behaviour, everything is always everyone else's fault and he likes to sit shrouded in his victim complex.

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MsRosley · 19/04/2024 10:55

AndOnAndOnItGoes · 19/04/2024 02:38

I'm probably going to need to take the advice of going down the CAO route. While the casual arrangement works for me, who knows how long before he gets even more awkward.

It's bloody infuriating, he leaves me high and dry to cope with a 2 month old when I was suffering from PND and the aftermath of a traumatic birth yet he has the cheek to act like the one who is being hard done by. He's the one who has settled down with his perfect little family while I'm still affected to this day with what he put me through. Bloody men, it's enough to put you off for life!

I don't blame you. I'd want to murder him in your shoes.

NamingConundrum · 19/04/2024 10:34

First step in CAO is mediation so hopefully that will show him how much of a twat he's being!

Renamed · 19/04/2024 10:20

Sorry, it is the new partner. You’ve filled a space that used to be his. How dare you! And you’ve continued with your plan to go to NZ, even though it can’t possibly be a good idea now he’s not going, can it? Ugh. Hope he stops being a dick

DrJoanAllenby · 19/04/2024 10:13

It will be the new partner. She'll be bitching about you going away to New Zealand and jealous so will want to put a spanner in the works by putting a flea in his ear about how he won't see his child for a month.

GingerIsBest · 19/04/2024 10:08

he flexibility in comtact - yes, this has suited me mainly but for a good 4 weeks or so surrounding the birth of his new child, there was a lot of leeway on my part ie he couldn't take DS around the time of the birth, (ex lives in another city around an hour and a half away, so I'm guessing if she went in to labour, it wouldn't have been easy to return DS so he could support the new partner) so he just didn't have our son for overnights for a few weeks. This impacted on me as I work shifts as a HCP, but I worked around it. So the flexibility hasn't only benefitted me.

Point this out. Remind hm that he didn't see his child for weeks when the baby was born, so why is this different? He can facetime and chat online with him and you're happy to let him have more time when he returns.

AndOnAndOnItGoes · 19/04/2024 10:07

dottydodah · 19/04/2024 09:57

Maybe as you and he had talked about your dream holiday to NZ,he now feels jealous of you going and him at home with his new baby?(Boo Hoo) He sounds rather immature to me . Is he quite young? Anyhow I would as PP above have said ,tell him he will have to have DS for 2 weeks I bet he will run a mile!

No, he's not young at all, he's late 30s!

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AndOnAndOnItGoes · 19/04/2024 10:06

Cofaki · 19/04/2024 09:51

Two things stood out to me in this thread: first that you described him as a good father when I can't see any evidence of that whatsoever. He simply has his child overnight once a week. I'm not sure how that makes him a good father. He barely sees the child and he left you when you had postnatal depression and a small baby. Those are not the actions of a decent and good man.

Second that the first reply to this thread was blaming another woman! No no no. This is him, he chooses his he behaves and this is what he's chosen.

What you need to do is focus on how awful this man is and stand up to him. I think the advice to get a court order and formalise things is wise. I know you want the flexibility, but you're better off having stability and certainty and being able to push back against his ridiculousness but remember, he's not a good man. He's not a decent person and he's not a good father and you need to work on that basis.

Protect yourself and your son, don't worry about the useless ex.

When I say that he's a good father, he's very caring towards DS and brilliant with him, he does take care of him very well when he has him and they have lots of fun. The reason he doesn't have him more than once a week is down to me, kind of. He was having him 2 nights a week and wanted more, but DS was coming back very unsettled from his time with his Dad and I thought that perhaps it was too much for him to be away from his primary home/carer (he was 18 months at the time) so I moved it back to one night a week with a few hours every Friday afternoon as ex is off work then so they go out for lunch/soft play/swimming. It seems to have worked well and he is no longer as unsettled upon his return. He would have him more if he could and we will trial going back up to 2 nights in thr near future.

I agree it was absolutely shitty what he did, leaving me with a new baby and I struggled very much initially. I still carry a lot of guilt that DS wasn't cared for as well as he should've been in his first few months of life; I was very depressed and we spent a lot of time indoors, TV on, just surviving from day to day.

So while he's a good father in some ways, in others he really isn't.

Anyway, I think a CAO is probably the way forward. Very frustrating that it's come to this but it is what it is sadly.

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NamingConundrum · 19/04/2024 10:06

I'd say ask calmly again, ask what his issue is. If he's still being an arse tell him if he doesn't agree you'll be starting formal proceedings and he can either give you permission or have to justify his refusal in court, despite what you've offered in response. You don't necessarily need a CAO, but not a bad idea as prevents this happening again. There's also specific issues order. Hopefully the threat will be enough, he'd look a right nob in court.

dottydodah · 19/04/2024 09:57

Maybe as you and he had talked about your dream holiday to NZ,he now feels jealous of you going and him at home with his new baby?(Boo Hoo) He sounds rather immature to me . Is he quite young? Anyhow I would as PP above have said ,tell him he will have to have DS for 2 weeks I bet he will run a mile!

AndOnAndOnItGoes · 19/04/2024 09:54

CountSeb · 19/04/2024 08:47

I thought this too. He's realising how much work a 2 month old is and he can't deal with any guilt (plus you're getting on with life) so anger it is instead.

On the arrangements for when he has DS, assume there is no flexibility going forward and plan for that. Can work give you set shifts so you don't need ex to look after your DS? Can anyone else help out when you have a shift change?

The holiday to NZ is entirely reasonable, don't let yourself start doubting that!

There isn't really an option to work set shifts unfortunately. As much as the NHS likes to say that they're family friendly, they really aren't! My mums health isn't good enough to look after DS and my dad, although well into his 70s, works every hour god sends! So I don't really have a lot of help.

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