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Ex becoming very awkward since the arrival of his new baby with new partner

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AndOnAndOnItGoes · 19/04/2024 00:29

My ex and I share our little boy who turns 2 this Sunday. Ex left us when our little one was 2 months old. He does see DC regularly and is a good father, engaged, pays maintenence etc however him and I have a strained relationship, we barely see/speak to one another bar necessary texts re our son. He has our son overnight once a week; collects him from nursery on a Tuesday and drops him back off on a Wednesday. Things were bumping along with not too much bother as it was an easy enough arrangement between us re contact. However he had a baby in February with the woman that he started seeing either while he was still with me or just after he left and since this baby was born a couple of months ago, he has become noticeably more awkward with me in regards to our son.

One issue is that my brother lives in New Zealand, and has done for around 9 years. I've not seen him since before covid. Ex and i when we were still together were going to go out to NZ in 2019 for a month, we had it all planned, dream holiday etc, however covid struck so that was put on hold. Anyway, the plan now is that me, my little one, my mum and dad and my aunt all go to NZ for 2 weeks in November, to visit my brother, let him meet the little one etc. Looking into things, it seems that I should get a letter of authorisation from ex, to take our child abroad. So I sent him a message asking him for this however he is refusing to provide it. Asking for information on the trip, ie dates etc, which I've given him however he refuses to privide said letter and seems really angry that i want to take DS to NZ, saying that itll tske time away from him having DS. Which i would make up either before we went or when we got back. He has also started to get arsey with any changes to contact ie if I need him to take DS on a Thursday night instead of Tuesday for work/shifts.. He used to be absolutely fine with this however has recently been so awkward about it.

He did find out that I had started seeing someone recently however I can't imagine it's that that's bothering him as he's moved on with this woman, they're obviously happy as they've been together nearly 2 years, bought a house, just had a baby etc. Him finding out about my new partner was around the same time that I mentioned the holiday, I don't know if that's what has got him mad?

I have this gut feeling that coparenting is about to become quite tough with him.

Has anyone had an OK coparenting arrangement with an ex and it all suddenly turned to shit after changes in their respective circumstances? I'm genuinely stumped as to why he's suddenly changed from being easy oozy about things like flexibility with contact to being a dick. He's all nicey nicey in texts ie I had the flu a couple of weeks ago and he's saying he's saying sorry to hear I'm unwell, hope I'm feeling better soon, to refusing to change contact days as a one off and basically refusing me permission to take our son abroad for a two week holiday. Do men just become like this once they move on with a new family/children etc? It's very frustrating and ultimately its our DS who is going to lose ie spending time with his uncle etc.

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Chatonette · 20/04/2024 20:42

Does your son have the same last name as you? I’ve never been asked for parental permission with my children (with my same surname) and I’ve taken them abroad maybe 5 times. My friend, however, has encountered questions because her children don’t share her name.

RandomMess · 20/04/2024 17:36

I would take your CB letter, his birth certificate etc to prove you are the parent "with care" after all you have return tickets.

PassingStranger · 20/04/2024 17:33

Very breve fling all that way with a 2 year old.

Perhaps he is worried about that, his son being so far away. Who knows?

AndOnAndOnItGoes · 20/04/2024 17:25

Jellycatspyjamas · 20/04/2024 15:16

I don’t know where in the UK you are, but you don’t need a letter giving permission in Scotland, unless there’s a court order in place. Is travelling from Scotland a possibility?

We're flying from Scotland. Well we'll be flying Edinburgh- LHR and then onwards from there. I had a look at the NZ rules though and they're recommending a letter of permission.

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Jellycatspyjamas · 20/04/2024 15:16

I don’t know where in the UK you are, but you don’t need a letter giving permission in Scotland, unless there’s a court order in place. Is travelling from Scotland a possibility?

AndOnAndOnItGoes · 20/04/2024 14:44

MissUltraViolet · 20/04/2024 14:38

Just because he has 'moved on' has a new partner, mortgage and baby doesn't mean this sudden change of behaviour isn't 100% due to your new relationship.

Maybe he convinced himself you'd never find anyone else, maybe he is sulking that you're not going to spend the rest of your life alone, waiting in the wings for him. Maybe the realisation has hit that one day there might be another man in his childs life....eventually more than he appears to be in it, is he feeling guilty about that? worried new man is going to make him look like a useless father and is now doubling down being a prick because he can't deal?

Whatever it is I hope you can sort it out for the sake of your son and you get to take him on holiday, it'd be a lovely experience for him.

It could be any one of those reasons. Even if I asked him if he was being a prick because of any of the above, all I'd get from him is an annoying smile, calm voice and "no, I'm pleased for you that you're happy, we've both moved on and are happy with our choices". Patronising shit.

He is very much one of the biggest disappointments of my life, I really thought he'd pull his head out of his arse when our son was born, but no, he'd made his mind up to find someone else to be happy with and only see his son part time.

As you say, in all of it, my son is the most important thing and I hope that I can get to take him to NZ to see his uncle, he has cousins out there that are around the same age and he'd love it.

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MissUltraViolet · 20/04/2024 14:38

Just because he has 'moved on' has a new partner, mortgage and baby doesn't mean this sudden change of behaviour isn't 100% due to your new relationship.

Maybe he convinced himself you'd never find anyone else, maybe he is sulking that you're not going to spend the rest of your life alone, waiting in the wings for him. Maybe the realisation has hit that one day there might be another man in his childs life....eventually more than he appears to be in it, is he feeling guilty about that? worried new man is going to make him look like a useless father and is now doubling down being a prick because he can't deal?

Whatever it is I hope you can sort it out for the sake of your son and you get to take him on holiday, it'd be a lovely experience for him.

AndOnAndOnItGoes · 20/04/2024 14:35

kaben · 20/04/2024 14:27

Well I bet his new perfect life with the new lady and new baby is far from perfect. He’s had baby with an OW when his eldest was only 1yo. Bearing in mind he left you when your baby was 2 months, he’s recreated the same situation with someone he knows a lot less well. I bet he is really frustrated. And jealous of your trip to NZ.

God knows. He'll be loving life if she gives him an easy ride ie no arguing and peace and quiet. Whereas I kept trying to hold him accountable for past cheating/browsing OLD etc while we were together but going through a very rocky patch, which is why he went walkabout on our 12 year relationship. He couldn't handle me "wrecking his head".

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kaben · 20/04/2024 14:27

Well I bet his new perfect life with the new lady and new baby is far from perfect. He’s had baby with an OW when his eldest was only 1yo. Bearing in mind he left you when your baby was 2 months, he’s recreated the same situation with someone he knows a lot less well. I bet he is really frustrated. And jealous of your trip to NZ.

AndOnAndOnItGoes · 20/04/2024 14:25

Bearbookagainandagain · 20/04/2024 13:16

Regarding taking your little one abroad, the only time I got asked questions was because we don't have the same last name (they still let me through though). I was told it would be better to take the birth certificate to avoid any issue.

Regarding your ex, this is a wild guess but since he left you just after the birth of your child, do you think it's possible he is reliving the same type of scenario with his new partner and taking it out on you?
I'm thinking this because it looks like he is trying get control back, and it could a knee-jerk reaction to compensate for the control he lost when his other child was born.

I really don't know. I'm assuming that things are going fine between them as in general, as long as you give him an easy life, he'll give you a nice easy life. Except when i hauled him over the coals for his OLD addiction and general attitude which he didn't like so off he went. So I imagine they're bumbling along fine. Besides, he doesn't have many friends (he's nice enough but very awkward) so if he's got someone that he gets along well enough with, I don't think he'd look to leave the set up. Who knows.

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AndOnAndOnItGoes · 20/04/2024 14:19

TheBottomsOfMyTrousersAreRolled · 20/04/2024 14:09

I really wouldnt without first seeking legal advice. Also, have you already got his passport? If not apply for it now.

Yes, I already have his passport, I recieved it in the post last month.

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AndOnAndOnItGoes · 20/04/2024 14:18

Sasqwatch · 20/04/2024 13:09

You do know that it’s a ‘world wide web’ 🙄

You do know that the majority of MN users appear to be based in the UK going by topics of discussion, references to living in the UK etc? 🙄

But thanks for your input.

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TheBottomsOfMyTrousersAreRolled · 20/04/2024 14:09

AndOnAndOnItGoes · 19/04/2024 16:47

I'm going to send him one more message asking him to provide it and let him know that if he doesn't, then I'll go via the courts. Sick of his nonsense

I really wouldnt without first seeking legal advice. Also, have you already got his passport? If not apply for it now.

Depressedbadger · 20/04/2024 13:47

You’re ex also sounds like a prince, OP - but not the royal kind, more ironic.

Depressedbadger · 20/04/2024 13:45

Incidentally (And perhaps more relevant to @AndOnAndOnItGoes as it could have been said about her ex), this is also from Blackadder, when they’re trying to fix up the Prince Regent in an arranged marriage with a European Princess, after he spends all his money on socks/playing cards:

blackadder: well, we’ll never get HER to marry him.
baldrick: why
blackadder: because she’s met him.

Depressedbadger · 20/04/2024 13:41

@Goldbar it was Baldrick who told us “Mr Blackadder says: when the going gets tough, the tough hide under the table”.

FarmGirl78 · 20/04/2024 13:31

OH has a Child Arrangements Order for his Daughter with his ex. They didn't even discuss holidays or arrangements, but there were some standard clauses on the bottom of the order that I'm assuming apply to everyone unless specifically agreed differently. The clauses were that no-one is allowed to change the name of the child without consent of all with parental responsibility, and that neither parents can remove the child from the country without written consent of the other, UNLESS it's for stays off less than 1 month in which case no permission is needed.

Bearbookagainandagain · 20/04/2024 13:16

Regarding taking your little one abroad, the only time I got asked questions was because we don't have the same last name (they still let me through though). I was told it would be better to take the birth certificate to avoid any issue.

Regarding your ex, this is a wild guess but since he left you just after the birth of your child, do you think it's possible he is reliving the same type of scenario with his new partner and taking it out on you?
I'm thinking this because it looks like he is trying get control back, and it could a knee-jerk reaction to compensate for the control he lost when his other child was born.

StormingNorman · 20/04/2024 13:10

I think he’s jealous of your holiday. The holiday of a lifetime he didn’t get to go on.

Sasqwatch · 20/04/2024 13:09

AndOnAndOnItGoes · 19/04/2024 00:41

Probably not the best time of day to start a thread as most of MN is probably asleep for the night!

You do know that it’s a ‘world wide web’ 🙄

Ali95x · 20/04/2024 13:03

OP you need to apply via the courts for a specific issue order to grant the holiday otherwise if you go and he reports you it will be classed as child abduction.

Ds travels often with his dad on holiday and I always provide a signed consent letter giving my permission and including flight number/ dates/my contact details ect. He’s never been asked for it at border control despite ds looking nothing like him and x having a foreign passport.

He’s probably doing at a control thing, it’s alright for him to move on but you’re not allowed to. My x is the same, doesn’t want or love me but doesn’t want any future partner being around ds while he can happily move on and enjoy his social life.

AndOnAndOnItGoes · 19/04/2024 16:47

I'm going to send him one more message asking him to provide it and let him know that if he doesn't, then I'll go via the courts. Sick of his nonsense

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BirthdayRainbow · 19/04/2024 13:30

I'm sure it's been said but he is kicking off absolutely because you've dared to move on and he has his new woman in his ear. You don't need his permission surely? I'd be sending a parent round to have a word if you can't stand up to him but real!y you must. He's not in charge.

Lavenderandbrown · 19/04/2024 13:21

It’s WHO IS IN HIS EAR. She’s in his ear telling him how it should be done. Also yes as soon as you get your life together start dating find someone good for you they smell blood in the water and circle back. Jeez I have seen this so many time and experienced it myself by my ex who frankly hated me. Still does. Child arrangements are subject to change always. Even with a court decree. I divorced with 5/7 y.o and now post college he still sends shit texts about “time with kids”. Look into your legal resources as op mentioned. I don’t think he can keep you from leaving country with dc.

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